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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2015, 05:56:03 pm »

a straight guy is straight and stop! if he goes with men he does gay, if he goes with both men or women he is bisex, it doesnt matter if he preferes sex with women than men cuz he will always be bisex.
I've never known a gay having sex with women, never! if he does he is bisex money or not!
The guy who said 'I'm straight but I go with men for money..' then he is bisex.
If you are straight you also dislike sex with men, if you really do as gay as well you also dislike sex with women!
I've read, 'go with men or women it's all up to you'. so let me understand...after many years that you know that you are gay you are saying that be gay is just a mental condition?
NO WAY! It's just fantasy because you are attracted by straight men more than gays, that's all!

So I am very confused now, I have never lived one moment of my life as heterosexual, nor any time in the closet.  I was gay from birth, my mother said she knew when I was 5.  Gay gay freaking GAY but here it is, you are telling me because I have had sex with women I am bisexual?  A pox upon me.  Wash it out.  No no no I don't want that label.  Yuck it's making my skin itch just thinking of it.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2015, 05:57:49 pm »

Haha, no.

And even for those few out there who DO identify as "straight", they're at the very least bi-curious. The word "straight" is basically just a marketing gimmick.

That is folks the unequivocal truth, straight is just a marketing gimmick, everyone is gay, he's just not into YOU!
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 06:16:45 pm »

Haha, no.

And even for those few out there who DO identify as "straight", they're at the very least bi-curious. The word "straight" is basically just a marketing gimmick.

That is folks the unequivocal truth, straight is just a marketing gimmick, everyone is gay, he's just not into YOU!

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be? 
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 07:27:53 pm »

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be?

Beautifully said. Thank you for showing some reason in these forums. You rock
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 11:30:58 pm »

Haha, no.

And even for those few out there who DO identify as "straight", they're at the very least bi-curious. The word "straight" is basically just a marketing gimmick.

That is folks the unequivocal truth, straight is just a marketing gimmick, everyone is gay, he's just not into YOU!

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be? 

TL:DR or I just figured it was a waste of my time after you accused me of assuming guys in str8 porn are normal.  Are you for real?  I have a gay friend who only escorts for women, do you think ya i'm sorry i don't really care what you think.  Downvote me to the ends of the earth but this is just ignorant blather at this point.  I won't be a part of your assumptions.
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 11:34:37 pm »

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be?

Beautifully said. Thank you for showing some reason in these forums. You rock

And this folks is why I often just avoid the forums.  High praise for what?  Reason?  It's like Tracy said "Give me one reason to stay here".  Can I turn off notifactions for this nonsense or do I have to just ignore it?
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2015, 12:53:23 am »

Haha, no.

And even for those few out there who DO identify as "straight", they're at the very least bi-curious. The word "straight" is basically just a marketing gimmick.

That is folks the unequivocal truth, straight is just a marketing gimmick, everyone is gay, he's just not into YOU!

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be? 

TL:DR or I just figured it was a waste of my time after you accused me of assuming guys in str8 porn are normal.  Are you for real?  I have a gay friend who only escorts for women, do you think ya i'm sorry i don't really care what you think.  Downvote me to the ends of the earth but this is just ignorant blather at this point.  I won't be a part of your assumptions.

My friend, i didn't accuse you of anything (but apparently you have a reason to believe i did-not my problem), i just stated the obvious: no one would ever question the sexuality of a guy who perfofms in straight porn, this happens only in gay porn, simple as that.How convinient that you know a gay guy who escorts only for women (you know there's nothing wrong with being bi).But as you said you don't care about my opinion (good for you) and i'm starting to lose any interest in yours.I am alot of things, ignorant is not one of them. I just happen to possess a mind that's liberated from stereotypes and fantasies of the past century. Anyway, just keep believing what you wish to believe, as long as you don't harm an innocent being,it makes little difference to me...
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2015, 01:04:29 am »

Again: We're talking about guys who pursue a career in gay porn industry. Guys who want to have sex with other men again and again and again. You know what? if you ever decide to question the sexuality of guys who perform in straight porn, maybe then, we can disquss it further (Oh! I'm sorry, i forgot!No one would ever dare to question the "normality" of those fine straight men.After all, since they're having sex with women, they must be straight, right? Of course, only when it comes to gay porn we actually must accept that the guys who perform, are "normal" straight men that are getting payed to pleasure us perverts, right?). If you want a reason for that concept (Straight for Pay) i can come up with one, probably just as obscure as the reasons for the whole "Gay for Pay" thing. You know...maybe to convince the guys who fantasize about seducing a straight guy that those men are actually straight (i think that's already a thing) or maybe, to satisfy some straight women's fantasy of seducing a gay guy (believe it or not, just like there are gay guys who find the idea of having sex with a straight guy, appealing, there are straight women who find the idea of having sex with a gay guy, just as much). Ofcourse that would be quite homophobic, you know? Promoting the idea that being gay is something that can be overcome and surpressed when you find the "right" woman, like the idea that no matter how much sex you have with guys, you should never and under any circumstances allow yourself to be identified as a gay/bi guy.So basically if you 're willing, for whatever reason, to accept and promote that guys who have sex with other men, are straight, then i 'm just as wiling to accept and promote that every guy (even the ones that perform in straight porn) is gay. See how much fun that logic can be?

Beautifully said. Thank you for showing some reason in these forums. You rock

And this folks is why I often just avoid the forums.  High praise for what?  Reason?  It's like Tracy said "Give me one reason to stay here".  Can I turn off notifactions for this nonsense or do I have to just ignore it?

It seems that anyone's opinion that doesn't agree with your point of view, you consider it useless. Whatever, have a nice day.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2015, 11:18:32 pm »

This is definitely a great discussion. I think you all have a point. But I believe there are straight guys who are not afraid of sex with men (even gay men) as much as gay guys are afraid of sex with women. Maybe it´s just their attitude of being able to overcome any obstacle that not as many gay people have (from my point of view). Also there was this article on reddit where supposedly a straight guy was sleeping with this older gay guy just for the money (he have him tons of money and they were both okay with that). He answered many related questions honestly. Also, my straight friend (straight?) who likes girls (obviously from his Tinder and Badoo behavior) said that if I was super rich, he would absolutely want to date me (can you imagine how depressed I was after that because I like him so much haha).
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2015, 01:09:53 am »

Of course they're not heterosexual/straight.

They're either bisexual or gay; but it's just marketing based on homophobia/biphobia or the idea that bi and gay men want to have sex with hetero/straight men or that we never got over lusting after a hetero guy in our lives who we can't have.  But you have some gay and bi men who have this fantasy, or I have met some who need it and told me how it's their #1 fantasy to have sex with a real hetero/straight guy.

But this marketing has been going on for decades.  In reality if a guy is straight/hetero he's not going to do a gay or bisexual porn where he has sex with a guy.  Also, contrary to the myth that people believe you do not make that much money by doing porn, and you do not necessarily make more money by doing gay or bisexual porn either.
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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2015, 06:52:30 am »

Most are probably gay, but some are certainly straight, or at least identify that way. Let's take James Oak, Matt Ramsey, Jeremy Bilding, or Criss Strokes for example. Now known as Michael Vegas, Peter North, Ryan Driller and... still Criss Strokes, but whatever... after they made it big enough in gay porn to transition to fucking the people they actually like to fuck for money. Just because they had sex with men doesn't make them gay, it doesn't even make them bisexual, it just means they like money and aren't totally grossed out by sex with men.

I consider myself gay but I've had sex with women. It's not something I really want to do again because it doesn't interest me, but the idea of it doesn't gross me out and it might happen again. It wouldn't take that much money to get me to do it again.

Or hell, pretty much every guy on Corbin Fisher is forced to do straight scenes these days, even the obviously 100% gay ones, and no one's saying they must be bisexual.

So yeah, some straight men have sex with other men for money. Even on film. No, that doesn't mean your straight friend's going to bang you or that you can turn straight people gay.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2015, 05:16:01 am »

Most are probably gay, but some are certainly straight, or at least identify that way. Let's take James Oak, Matt Ramsey, Jeremy Bilding, or Criss Strokes for example. Now known as Michael Vegas, Peter North, Ryan Driller and... still Criss Strokes, but whatever... after they made it big enough in gay porn to transition to fucking the people they actually like to fuck for money. Just because they had sex with men doesn't make them gay, it doesn't even make them bisexual, it just means they like money and aren't totally grossed out by sex with men.

I consider myself gay but I've had sex with women. It's not something I really want to do again because it doesn't interest me, but the idea of it doesn't gross me out and it might happen again. It wouldn't take that much money to get me to do it again.

Or hell, pretty much every guy on Corbin Fisher is forced to do straight scenes these days, even the obviously 100% gay ones, and no one's saying they must be bisexual.

So yeah, some straight men have sex with other men for money. Even on film. No, that doesn't mean your straight friend's going to bang you or that you can turn straight people gay.
I've heard that Ramsey/North is really gay but this was on a gay/LGBT site when I mentioned that he could be bisexual, and other men posted back saying how he's gay but closeted but just has had lots of sex with women as he stopped doing gay porn for some reason.
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2015, 10:14:16 am »

Getting fucked by guys for money is one thing. One guy fucking another guy in the ass to the point of squirting cum all over him proves that he was sexually aroused. Regardless of what he thinks or says about his sexuality, it would be safe to say he is aroused by men's assholes.

We are all sexual. It is close minded for anyone to generalize to the point of stating they can never be aroused by a particular gender. Stating someone is gay is referring to their subculture identity and not so much referencing their inability to properly engage in intercourse with the opposite gender.
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2015, 03:12:59 am »

No they are not. Gay for pay is rare especially in gay porn which claims that models are straight. The real question is: Why do you care? The point of porn is to see models perform sex acts that get you off. I don't give a shit whenever a guy performing in porn is a druggie, is vegeterian, listens to Justin Bieber, is an asshole to his friends,... so I couldn't possibly care less whenever they are gay or not.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2015, 03:41:50 am »

I don't know they are straight or gay or bisexual but some male porn star they do both gay porn & straight porn.
For example. Denis Reed who play both gay &  straight for past few years to present day and now he play straight porn more than gay porn.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2015, 04:48:35 am »

Yes, absolutely. The body is a tool, and sex is a form of manual labor. With viagra, they don't even need to enjoy what they're doing, especially if they're a bottom. No one would suggest that because a person is a professional manual laborer that digs trenches or does construction work is doing it because they love it, even though it's totally possible they do, and I feel that sex work is the same. They are using their body in return for money. It's only our modern stupid insistance on labels and making sex some sort of special category of physical activity that we have changed that thinking.
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2015, 10:13:58 pm »

Who cares? Hot either way
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2015, 10:22:03 pm »

i find sexuality conveying the desire to pursue relationships w/ the sexes they are attracted to. i feel that a guy who fucks another man, could just fuck the guy, but have NO interest in pursuing any sort of relationship w/ that person.
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2015, 12:14:29 am »

It surprises me that no one is saying they have had sex with str8s who got off and perhaps even repeated the experience, even though they are busy pursuing sex with women, often even lots of women.

Back before the love that dare not speak its name because the love that would not shut up, there was a time when most everyone you knew was strait, virgin or otherwise. If they had sex with a man "faut de mieux," that was just being horny and welcoming the convenience, not their real interest.

Perhaps it is hard for men today to believe that kids fooling with kids etc. does not mean lies and hypocrisy, but a man who is not afraid of who he is and what he wants can pretty much get off whenever circumstances allow. Good thing, too, because back when everyone lived in a closet or really was strait, the first and most important fact in getting laid did not involve a decision about the orientation of your lust object, but his attractiveness and availability.

Military men on leave from an all male environment of communal showers, communal sleeping in racks perhaps stacked three high, and toilets without separation all build up a head of... steam... for when they are allowed loose, and not all of them find welcoming females. Whether they are sailors home from a long voyage at sea or athletes breaking training when lured by a bimbo groupie, men are men with manly needs.

I've known some Navy sailors who have had dozens or even hundreds of women, sometimes whores at the rate of two or three a day, and had no doubts that getting a bj from a fag friend was going to ruin their reputation even if anyone ever found out about it. A rather bearish roofer slept with me, came in the morning, and then met with me later that day after a workout and shower to get ready for our sex date so he could give me another friendly load, and glad to do so. I liked seeing the photos of his kids that he carried in his wallet, offspring from three different women in as many different states.

Why anyone would think a hetero man would never ever get his rocks off with another dude is a mystery to me. And if it happens in real life, it sure as hell happens for cash. There are few uniformed military mingling in city streets these days, but when the draft was in effect, there were uniformed dudes everywhere, and they were all a target for men who liked that sort of thing. Made for some good times after sneaking into a strip club where they were too young to drink but not too young to be in jeopardy on the front lines when they got shipped out the next day. If nothing else, they had a place to stay for those last few nights before shipping out, and it was not as expensive as a hotel room, either.

None of which necessarily involves alcohol, btw, or other mental impairment.

I just don't understand why people are so committed to labels. A recent study or studies says women are almost entirely more bi- than not, whether they do anything about it or not. And sexuality is fluid, too. One successful female singer publicly fell for and partnered with another woman and then pissed off feminists everywhere when she fell in love with a man again, much to her surprise.

Shift happens. Sex happens. Be glad most men have never had much luck with blowjobs from women, and that they may be thrilled to have a chance to give an ass pounding to someone who can stand up to the unleashed animal fury of an unrestrained man who has finally found a place he can put the entire length of his scary third leg and enjoy benefits he's never known before.

Just as there was a time when there was no gay porn-- books, magazines, or cinema-- except for the very brave and very determined queer with money, we are now at a time when spurting dicks are easy to view, even outside of porn with women. Things change. Gloryholes are no longer a well-kept secret known only within the fraternity of men. Now masturbation jokes and pot jokes and casual nonjudgmental homosex jokes are mainstream.

Personally, I like to think that guilt, shame, and eternal damnation are less and less associated with any kind of voluntary sex acts and we can all really enjoy the function of the orgasm to heal our minds and bodies and, according to Wilhelm Reich, stifle the mass psychology of Fascism, at least for those proud to boast, "I'm a lover, not a fighter."
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2016, 06:39:14 am »

DAMN - what a great response!  (directly above)  I believe that most humans are very "middle: of the Kinsey scale by nature with a few outliers (totally straight or gay).. I am certainly gay although I have slept with many women.  I only top which is also rare in the gay world - a second "unique" trait that doesn't fit norms per say.  We are all fickle, complex and very sexually secretive..  MANY, MANY straight men have flirted with me throughout my life and I flirted back with them - only a sad few led to a sexual encounter however.  Had I been braver - who knows....but I also might have had teeth knocked out had I acted on the flirtation.  The realistic likelihood of every flirtation leading to actual "forbidden" gay sex is a rarity.  But YES - "straight" men often have gay sex.  Label them as you must - I care little what they should be defined as..  The reality is that many, many have lots of gay sexua; encounters during their lifetime.  It happens often without a paycheck; clearly it also happens with one in the G4P amateur porn era that we live in. 
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