I don't think making gay marriage legal should be so important to us
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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2016, 03:30:26 am »

Laws in most (western) countries have fit things so that gay relationships are not discriminated against financially
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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2016, 04:22:33 am »

always though that if the state recognizes civil unions and grants the couple all the rights as a straight married couple gets - then thats fine. But so many guys i spoke with on this says its not abt rights, its abt being equal. and i guess its not equal rights but rather equality to go abt getting those equal rights.
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« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2016, 01:40:13 am »

In some ways though gay marriage can never be equal to straight marriage- those 2 partners can never have kids together for example
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2016, 08:10:44 am »

In some ways though gay marriage can never be equal to straight marriage- those 2 partners can never have kids together for example

Hmmm...I don't know if having children is part of the equation, though. After all, there are many straight, married couples that are unable to biologically have children. Of course, they can adopt, but an unmarried, gay couple will have a much more difficult time adopting.

Anyway, not all gay couples that want to be married are interested in having children. I think it's probably more about the rights/privileges given to people who are married vs. the ones who aren't. Gay or not, a married couple would probably have a much easier time adopting a child than if they weren't.

If a gay person wants to live a married/suburban/picket fence life, I think they should be allowed to (of course, I think that's a very narrow way to view marriage).  All people want is the legal rights and advantages that come along with the title, not to be just like every other married couple on the planet.  Being married doesn't have to mean being tied down--it depends on what you and your partner want and expect from the relationship that can turn it into a ball and chain situation.

I also don't think gays are naive enough to think that marriage is some perfect world, either. You have to work to maintain a marriage, just as you have to work to maintain ANY type of human relationship. Straight couples are quite the testament to that--there are enough married, miserable straight couples and thrice-divorced singles in this world already. If you're not cut out for marriage, you're just not, and you don't have to pretend you are. However, I think there are many gays who ARE perfectly suited for marriage, and they should have that option.
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« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2016, 11:01:33 am »

In some ways though gay marriage can never be equal to straight marriage- those 2 partners can never have kids together for example

Firstly. what on earth has marriage got to do with children?!

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those 2 partners can never have kids together for example

Not true, it is possible for 2 men to have a baby together which only has 0.00000000000000000000001% of the female donors DNA. Its just not legal yet. So you can't say they can never have children.

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Marriage is the process by which two people make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond.
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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2016, 01:50:12 pm »

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Firstly. what on earth has marriage got to do with children?!

It has everything to do with it as it defines the filiation, That's why millions of people went into the street against gay marriage not because they give a shit about 2 gays being together but because this opens the right to have children and it legally defines 2 guys as parents hence on official papers a kid would have 2 fathers or 2 mothers and not a male and female as "pro creators" It also opens doors to surrogacy which is terrible, women renting their womb for money is disgusting and far worst than prostitution.

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Marriage is the process by which two people make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond.

that is also not true at all in my country and I'm pretty sure that's the same in yours. A marriage is the legal foundation for building a family and defines inheritance from the filiation, child rights and such and it's defined as such in the legal text. Civil unions were made for that purpose.
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« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2016, 03:00:51 pm »

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Firstly. what on earth has marriage got to do with children?!

It has everything to do with it as it defines the filiation, That's why millions of people went into the street against gay marriage not because they give a shit about 2 gays being together but because this opens the right to have children and it legally defines 2 guys as parents hence on official papers a kid would have 2 fathers or 2 mothers and not a male and female as "pro creators" It also opens doors to surrogacy which is terrible, women renting their womb for money is disgusting and far worst than prostitution.

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Marriage is the process by which two people make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond.

that is also not true at all in my country and I'm pretty sure that's the same in yours. A marriage is the legal foundation for building a family and defines inheritance from the filiation, child rights and such and it's defined as such in the legal text. Civil unions were made for that purpose.

WOW. The good old Russian propaganda machine has brainwashed you! Even makes the gays hate themselves. I feel so sorry for you.

Firstly. In the UK we had civil partnerships before marriage, which enabled you to adopt, surrogate etc etc. So marriage hasnt change anything.

Secondly, The legal definition of marriage at least in the UK has NEVER mentioned children. Even after religion hijacked marriage it was never mentioned.

Thirdly who the hell cares if a kid has 2 fathers or 2 mothers?  As long as it is a loving family what difference does it make?!

Please show me where (apart from Russia - it doesn't count, it's not a normal place) it mentions anywhere that marriage is about children.
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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2016, 03:32:42 pm »

Surely any definition of marriage which insisted on procreation would exclude any couple where the woman was post-menopause or any relationship where one or other of the people was infertile for whatever cause.
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2016, 02:01:52 am »

No, because post menopausal women can have children (with drugs). Also it is a societal statement. This is the ideal forum (of course there are many dysfunctional straight marriages, infertile couples etc etc but as a model or general rule) for raising children. This is biology as well. Everyone should have a father and a mother. As has been said, surrogacy is often an awful process, and rips a child away from its natural mother.

Most gays don't want to get married, in my opinion. This is essentially rewriting society for the pleasure and privilege of a few self-entitled individuals.
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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2016, 10:56:00 am »

Laws in most (western) countries have fit things so that gay relationships are not discriminated against financially

It wasn't until the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage that gay couples were treated equally under the law in many ways.  The Veterans' Administration didn't provide any benefits to gay spouses or gay civil partners.  Taxes were extremely complicated and required a tax lawyer and tax accountants for gay couples.    HOWEVER, the laws across the US are still bigoted against gays in 32 states on many issues. 
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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2020, 05:07:51 pm »

The right should be there but I think it's mostly a farce anyway, with so many failed marriages, why would we want to follow down that same path!?

I believe in gay divorce rights just as much as straight divorce rights.
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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2020, 03:29:51 am »

In some ways though gay marriage can never be equal to straight marriage- those 2 partners can never have kids together for example

Firstly. what on earth has marriage got to do with children?!

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those 2 partners can never have kids together for example

Not true, it is possible for 2 men to have a baby together which only has 0.00000000000000000000001% of the female donors DNA. Its just not legal yet. So you can't say they can never have children.

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Marriage is the process by which two people make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond.

Marriage was instituted so that there would be societal benefit for producing children in a monogamous hetero bond. Nothing else. It has 'evolved', into a disposable thing of really very little value, except wasting money and offending your friends whilst dozens of hangers on you barely know eat and drink themselves stupid at your expense.
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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2020, 03:32:53 am »

The right should be there but I think it's mostly a farce anyway, with so many failed marriages, why would we want to follow down that same path!?

I believe in gay divorce rights just as much as straight divorce rights.

How f'ing pointless
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