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« on: February 05, 2016, 09:06:26 pm »

Would you suck a dick of a HIV+ guy?
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 04:01:17 am »

No. Even with condom
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 12:20:10 pm »

Nope, even though condoms are supposed to be a good mean of protection, but still I don't think I would risk it...
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 02:01:43 pm »

I would if I did not have any cuts or sores in my mouth.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 02:17:09 pm »

I probably have, I don't use condoms for oral and many guys are undiagnosed. If someone was definitely HIV+ and it was suppressed by medication I'd still go there as that's way low risk.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 02:55:02 pm »

I heared there is an dating app just for HIV patients.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 03:04:15 pm »

WARNING

A HIV-Positive Dating App Leaked 5,000 Users' Data - BuzzFeed News#.xanBnoeEX4
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemlee/a-dating-app-for-hiv-positive-people-leaked-sensitive-data#.xanBnoeEX4

Why HIV is More Evil Than We Could Have Imagined
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5948154/why-hiv-is-more-evil-than-we-could-have-imagined

BBC - Earth - We know the city where HIV first emerged
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151119-we-know-the-city-where-hiv-first-infected-a-human
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 09:59:58 pm »

I would not knowingly have oral or anal sex with someone who told me they were HIV positive even if they had a low viral load or even if I was on PrEP or Truvada unless for some reason I was so in love with them that I decided to take the risk and even then you better believe I'd go to a doctor first and begin a PrEP plan.  This being said, yes I know a lot of men don't know their status, some knowingly lie about their status, and even protected sex doesn't guarantee that you won't be exposed.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 07:24:36 am »

Negative guy here, and as I haven't had sex with ANYONE in at least 8 months and I've been tested recently, I know it for sure. That said ... I hate the ignorance and fear that's persisting in our community about this issue.

We need to absorb this fact, or else we're being just as preposterous as U.S. senators entering the congressional floor with snowballs and trying to claim that climate change isn't real, and they've proven practically every scientist on Earth wrong with that one snowball -- you need to listen to the people with the ph.d's, and not your gut fears that have been drilled into your head. The fact is, all the actual scientific evidence shows that you're probably a lot safer with someone who's positive and knows their status than you are with someone who thinks that they're negative (and tells you so).

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would not knowingly have oral or anal sex with someone who told me they were HIV positive even if they had a low viral load or even if I was on PrEP or Truvada unless for some reason I was so in love with them that I decided to take the risk

The thing is, if you're with someone who knows they're HIV positive and have an undetectable viral load, whether you're on PrEP or not (and it's a good idea to be on it), your risk is actually *lower* than having sex with someone who tells you that they're negative but their last test was ... hell, even two weeks ago. Remember that the virus isn't strongly detectable until you've been infected for half a year as it is.

All the science supports that fact -- you literally, LITERALLY, have less of a chance of becoming infected by someone that's positive yet provably undetectable (when it's demonstrably and test-verified undetectable, as far as we know so far, the risk is essentially zero) than you are with someone that just comes up to you and says, "Yeah, I'm negative, here's my test from last month."

What "risk" is it you're not willing to take? It seems like the imaginary one in your head where you still want to believe your programmed fear and not scientists and doctors.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2016, 07:52:27 am »

Mind you when I was hypothetically talking about having sex with someone who claims to be negative, I was still talking about having protected sex 'with a condom'.  Although the likelihood of contracting HIV with someone who knows they are positive but has an undetectable and controlled viral load may be low, you still have to have a lot of faith that this person is following their treatment plan and there are no other factors in play.

HIV RNA tests can detect infection after 9 to 11 days from initial exposure date.

As far as what is or isn't scientifically proven, I'd really love to see what study your speaking about.  Understanding of the virus is growing more and more everyday and I definitely welcome the opportunity to correct any misconceptions I may have.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2016, 12:08:56 pm »

The risk of contracting HIV from oral sex is extremely low, the only real chance someone potentially catching HIV from oral sex is if the giver had a split lip, cold sore, mouth ulcer, cut in their mouth, recent tooth extraction and gum not fully healed or severe bleeding gums.

Once you swallow the infected seaman your stomach acid breaks down the infection pretty much instantly. There is a slim chance of catching it if you have a stomach ulcer but again it is very slim because of the stomach acid.

Please don't believe all the horror stories you hear out there in the media, press and so called sexual education. Medication has become a lot better and we are now more aware of how HIV interacts with the immune system and how it can be passed on.

Check out the Terrence Higgins Trust for more information: http://www.tht.org.uk/sexual-health/Improving-your-sexual-health/Oral-sex
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2016, 11:45:06 am »

I can't believe my post got a thumbs down by someone who couldn't even bother to answer the question in their own post.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 03:10:30 am »

You got a thumbs down because HIV hysteria does a lot of damage and has a far reaching footprint. That being said I don't think the question was actually derrogative.

for my answer:

I am negative (conicidentally I last tested 2 about weeks ago).
My ex boyfriend (for a year) was positive.

Sex questions:
Oral sex
Dick -Yes and Nobody uses a condom
Anal/ Rimming - Yes and no condom
Anal Sex- Yes and condom only (I was always top)

We both saw Dr's and talked about the risks, they really aren't that high if you are sensible.  He actually hadn't started meds yet either.
off the top of my head

Unprotected Bottoming with HIV+ top 1/70 Chance of transmission- This is the real danger
Unprotective Topping with HIV+ bottom 1/900 chance of transmission - Probabilty is higher if uncut
Oral- The Dr never outright said it couldn't happen but the chances are neglible. What she said that put me at ease "There hasn't beena documented case of HIV transmission through oral sex alone. (Not impossible but obviously, not going to happen)

Please double chck with your Dr's as I am going off memory.

In the end we did break up because of the status thing (not that I told him that; I didn't want him to feel bad). I just couldn't imagine using condoms for the rest of my life and testing like every month (not that I needed to).
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2016, 11:34:55 pm »

I am HIV-
my boyfriend of 7 years is HIV+

We are careful with some sexual things but for the most part we don't worry about it.

HEY GUYS,
I am not saying go out and have unsafe sex, but find a relationship and make things work
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2016, 11:44:40 am »

Would you suck a dick of a HIV+ guy?

Never. Not worth the risk.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2016, 03:13:40 pm »

Oral sex can be infectious for the active partner in certain cases, for the passive are not. A risk of infection only when semen enters the mouth. Although the prostatic fluid (also Vortropfen or Lusttropfen) contains a low concentration of viruses, but the infective dose is not sufficient. If there has been an ejaculation in the mouth, the semen should not be swallowed but spat out immediately. Then with much toothpaste mouth and throat repeatedly flush. Toothpaste contains substances that the fatty viral envelope effectively destroyed - without shell is no longer infectious HIV. When vaginal oral sex, the risk of infection of the of secretion depends; it is low to very low.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2016, 04:30:24 am »

You got a thumbs down because HIV hysteria does a lot of damage and has a far reaching footprint. That being said I don't think the question was actually derrogative.

for my answer:

I am negative (conicidentally I last tested 2 about weeks ago).
My ex boyfriend (for a year) was positive.

Sex questions:
Oral sex
Dick -Yes and Nobody uses a condom
Anal/ Rimming - Yes and no condom
Anal Sex- Yes and condom only (I was always top)

We both saw Dr's and talked about the risks, they really aren't that high if you are sensible.  He actually hadn't started meds yet either.
off the top of my head

Unprotected Bottoming with HIV+ top 1/70 Chance of transmission- This is the real danger
Unprotective Topping with HIV+ bottom 1/900 chance of transmission - Probabilty is higher if uncut
Oral- The Dr never outright said it couldn't happen but the chances are neglible. What she said that put me at ease "There hasn't beena documented case of HIV transmission through oral sex alone. (Not impossible but obviously, not going to happen)

Please double chck with your Dr's as I am going off memory.

In the end we did break up because of the status thing (not that I told him that; I didn't want him to feel bad). I just couldn't imagine using condoms for the rest of my life and testing like every month (not that I needed to).

Thanks for the info! Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2016, 05:00:37 am »

I hope all those who said "never" so categorically become HIV+ someday to know how it feels to read and listen to so much ignorance. It's always so easy to say such things when it's not with you. The risk is always there, however. And it may be your turn tomorrow. Being conscious and kind has never done any harm.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2016, 05:45:24 am »

Some of these dumb replies make me think we've slipped back 30+ years.  Back then, the hysterical overreaction to HIV while still ridiculous was at least in small part mitigated by how little we know about how the virus spreads, and the arguments about whether HIV was the true cause of AIDS.

These days, we know in great detail how the virus works, we know conclusively that it is responsible for AIDS and we have huge amounts of data about the transmission risk of any activity you can dream up.  We also have supplementary caveats, as have been mentioned, about risk enhancers like compromise to the integrity of the inside of the mouth and the like.

Those who throw their hands up in horror at the thought of having sex with someone with HIV really should get expert advice and get the idea of risk into perspective.

The key word when we describe people with HIV, isn't "HIV", it's "people". Perpetuating discrimination against them helps nobody and damages all of us.

I was sucking cock before HIV was known to be a problem.  I sucked cock all through the HIV epidemic and I'm still sucking cock now - no plans to stop doing that any time soon.  I've often sucked guys who I know to be positive, I'm sure I've often sucked positive guys whose status I didn't know.  I've been careful and sensible and as of a few months ago, I'm still HIV negative.

Panic and hysterics over this well understood and easily protected from virus aren't justified any more.  Get a grip, educate yourself and make a personal choice based on facts, not fears.  Whatever that choice is, don't come out with unsupported statements about risk that just feed the prejudice of those who delight in having a group to point the finger at.

Bear in mind when researching that you can easily find articles online that clearly state that lemon juice cures AIDS, that it's caused by exposure to anything from cosmic rays to fairy dust, or that it can be contracted from being within 100m of someone who knows someone who has it.  Finding it on the net doesn't mean it's true.  find what the balance of research is saying, understand the statistical significance of those results then make a decision based on the balance of a number of properly designed and executed studies.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2016, 07:51:26 am »

Some of these dumb replies make me think we've slipped back 30+ years.  Back then, the hysterical overreaction to HIV while still ridiculous was at least in small part mitigated by how little we know about how the virus spreads, and the arguments about whether HIV was the true cause of AIDS.

These days, we know in great detail how the virus works, we know conclusively that it is responsible for AIDS and we have huge amounts of data about the transmission risk of any activity you can dream up.  We also have supplementary caveats, as have been mentioned, about risk enhancers like compromise to the integrity of the inside of the mouth and the like.

Those who throw their hands up in horror at the thought of having sex with someone with HIV really should get expert advice and get the idea of risk into perspective.

The key word when we describe people with HIV, isn't "HIV", it's "people". Perpetuating discrimination against them helps nobody and damages all of us.

I was sucking cock before HIV was known to be a problem.  I sucked cock all through the HIV epidemic and I'm still sucking cock now - no plans to stop doing that any time soon.  I've often sucked guys who I know to be positive, I'm sure I've often sucked positive guys whose status I didn't know.  I've been careful and sensible and as of a few months ago, I'm still HIV negative.

Panic and hysterics over this well understood and easily protected from virus aren't justified any more.  Get a grip, educate yourself and make a personal choice based on facts, not fears.  Whatever that choice is, don't come out with unsupported statements about risk that just feed the prejudice of those who delight in having a group to point the finger at.

Bear in mind when researching that you can easily find articles online that clearly state that lemon juice cures AIDS, that it's caused by exposure to anything from cosmic rays to fairy dust, or that it can be contracted from being within 100m of someone who knows someone who has it.  Finding it on the net doesn't mean it's true.  find what the balance of research is saying, understand the statistical significance of those results then make a decision based on the balance of a number of properly designed and executed studies.

HIV-AIDS stil sounds so scary..

 afraid


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