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« on: July 20, 2016, 01:20:02 am »

I read a proflie that said they had HIV undetectable.  What does the undetectable mean? Can they transmit?
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 04:21:08 am »

Transmission is theoretically possible because the test is unreliable at very low viral loads, but I believe there are no known cases of transmission from an undetectable person.

http://www.aidsmap.com/No-one-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-gay-or-heterosexual-transmits-HIV-in-first-two-years-of-PARTNER-study/page/2832748
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 04:40:51 am »

This is correct... There is not one documented case of transmission from an undetectable partner. This is not to say that it's impossible as there is no evidence that it is impossible, however despite several recent studies done to attempt to quantify the risks among MSM[1], there is no evidence that conclusively proves that it is either, despite efforts to acquire such evidence.

So... With that being said, it is starting to become generally accepted to say that sex with someone who is undetectable is safe. Statistically, it's actually safer than having sex with a condom with a partner with a high viral load. Just sayin'... Let the facts speak for themselves and draw your own conclusion from what evidence does exist.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 06:54:48 pm »

I've been with roughly 5 guys I believe? Who were all known undetectable and without using condoms I was mainly bottoming in most of these instances and one of which was my boyfriend for a year and i'd say we did it roughly 1,000 times and no not really an exaggeration if we didn't get to do it one day he'd make up for it the next and he was a total top and we never used condoms i'm negative.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 10:44:48 pm »

That's not responsible behaviour
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 06:10:37 pm »

@daydrm: Define responsible behaviour? It's scientifically proven that it is safer to bareback with an undetectable partner than it is to have sex with a condom with a person with a high viral load. So.... how may I ask is having unprotected sex with a person who is undetectable "irresponsible"?
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 11:50:27 pm »

Any link to support your claiming?
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2016, 04:50:28 am »

Any link to support your claiming?

http://www.aidsmap.com/No-one-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-gay-or-heterosexual-transmits-HIV-in-first-two-years-of-PARTNER-study/page/2832748

http://www.catie.ca/en/catienews/2014-04-10/insight-hiv-transmission-risk-when-viral-load-undetectable-and-no-condom-used

https://www.poz.com/article/HPTN-052-transmission-27517-8582

http://www.hivplusmag.com/sex-dating/2014/09/15/undetectable-new-safe-sex
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2016, 05:09:14 am »

Undetectable means that the HIV virus is suppressed to the point that it is not detectable from a blood test, and you get that way from taking meds called "cocktails" or a combination of drugs used to fight HIV. Someone who is Undetectable can not transmit the virus, but even with that doctors still recommend that people who are Undetectable still should use condoms when having sex because of the other STD's that are out there, its because people with HIV have a weakened immune system and other STD's can cause problems. And remember just because someone has HIV they are still a human being
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 02:04:59 pm »

Also to protect themselves from coming into contact with a different strain of HIV and possibly Truvada resistant. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 02:30:01 pm »


An HIV-positive person can achieve undetectable levels after undergoing antiretroviral therapy (ART).

A level of a person’s HIV viral load is what causes them to be more or less likely to transmit the disease.

An undetectable viral load reduces the likelihood of transmission by 96 percent.

Once a person achieves an undetectable status, it is possible to remain at this level provided that the person is compliant with their ART medication.

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