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« on: October 14, 2016, 04:52:19 am »

Hello,

I've been an on and off user of the Linux operating system, particularly Debian (Ubuntu based) systems such as Linux mint. But I always tend to reformat my drive and switch back to Windows eventually. How do long time Linux users do it? I find the system quite hard to transition to from using Windows for a long time. One of my main issues with Linux is the terminal. I know you don't always have to use it, but learning the commands can be pretty confusing.

I study IT in college so I really think that grasping a basic knowledge of Linux will be very beneficial in the future.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2016, 05:49:23 am »

I have been using GNU/Linux regularly since 2014.

When I first used Ubuntu was in 2013, so at first I was like you, switching to Windows as soon as I could. But then I thought: “You only use Microsoft's operative system bc you need the Office suite and iTunes”. Then I learned enough with OpenOffice and began to use Rhythmbox only to extract music of mi iPod (bc I already put it all at that time: 32 GB of music), and suddenly I was completely in love with GNU/Linux.

The printers can be use as soon as you plugged them (in Windows you need to download the drivers or use the original CD), you don't really need to worry about viruses, and most of the programs are free and open, so you don't need any licenses or cracked versions of them. Etc... About the terminal, I'm so affraid of it as you. But I don't try to learn a lot of it, when I need to do something I just search for that in Google and then I follow the instructions closely. Nothing more, nothing less.

Two years now, it's like a marriage. Hahaha.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2016, 01:44:26 pm »

I have been using GNU/Linux regularly since 2014.

When I first used Ubuntu was in 2013, so at first I was like you, switching to Windows as soon as I could. But then I thought: “You only use Microsoft's operative system bc you need the Office suite and iTunes”. Then I learned enough with OpenOffice and began to use Rhythmbox only to extract music of mi iPod (bc I already put it all at that time: 32 GB of music), and suddenly I was completely in love with GNU/Linux.

The printers can be use as soon as you plugged them (in Windows you need to download the drivers or use the original CD), you don't really need to worry about viruses, and most of the programs are free and open, so you don't need any licenses or cracked versions of them. Etc... About the terminal, I'm so affraid of it as you. But I don't try to learn a lot of it, when I need to do something I just search for that in Google and then I follow the instructions closely. Nothing more, nothing less.

Two years now, it's like a marriage. Hahaha.  Grin

I think I will use virtualbox and install Windows so I can use apps such as Microsoft Access, PowerPoint etc. I don't like that I can't open access databases in Libreoffice, other than that the system is fine, and I can get the apps I want.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2016, 03:16:00 pm »

I would recommend Zorin OS to you. It is designed to be as comfortable for Windows users as possible, and it includes WINE, which will let you run most Windows programs.
http://zorinos.com/
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2016, 06:32:41 pm »

I came across https://linuxjourney.com/ seems to have a lot of useful information on Linux.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2016, 11:27:52 pm »

I'm using Ubuntu based Linux distributions for over a decade now. In my house and in my office there is no Windows computers available, there are all Linux.

Almost all of the Linux distributions have a GUI with which you can access almost all functions. Only when you want specific and not common things you will have to use the commandline.

Mastering the commandline means learning commands. I like the commandline because it makes live easier. With commands you can do a lot of things much quicker.

But it means learning the commands. And that takes time and effort.
Since you want to know the commandline apparently, that is what it takes: time and effort!
It's like learning a new language.

Try these pages:
http://linuxcommand.org/index.php
http://ryanstutorials.net/linuxtutorial/

You first lesson ought to be though a command you never ever must type in a terminal:
sudo rm -rf /

Why not? Because it will erase your entire filesystem.
This command however is sometimes used by pranksters who say they give you advice. So remember that command!

And since fun is part of learning, do not miss out on this page:
http://www.tecmint.com/20-funny-commands-of-linux-or-linux-is-fun-in-terminal/

Good Luck,

Ronald
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 12:25:51 am »

I came across https://linuxjourney.com/ seems to have a lot of useful information on Linux.

Thank you, that seems a good tutorial site. I have tried Linux a few times and have given up because I couldn't get the hang of a few basics  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2016, 12:40:07 am »

Unfortunately I had to switch back to Windows for the time being, Linux had issues with my drivers, and I can't count he times I've experienced system freezes  Cry. Unlike Windows, in Linux I can't use Ctrl+Alt+Esc to open the task manager and close a frozen application. And having the system crash and close all my open apps is pretty frustrating. So, bye bye Linux, at least for now.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2016, 03:18:47 am »

No doubt issues with your videocard (AMD).

Problem is that AMD no longer makes drivers for the newest kernel (4.x) and the open source drivers for this kernel suck. You can circumvent this by using distro's that still use the 3.x kernels.

For example you could use Linux Mint 17.3 and forget the message you will receive when updating, about the Hardware Enabled Stack (HWE). You won´t be receiving updates on your kernel and the video-drivers, but all other software will be supported until April 2019.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 03:31:03 am »

Actually, my video card is Intel. I think the problem was with my installation of the intel-microcode package, which didn't suit too well with my hardware, and my use of the VLC daily stable PPA, because I wanted the latest stable VLC version since LTS software generally uses older packages; I think the VLC version it gave me (2.2.5) wasn't really that stable.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2016, 06:45:19 am »

Anyone using Linux on Mac?
I'm looking for a compatible (working) version to use with "MacBookPro10,1". Anyone who has been able to do so successfully, pls let me know. Thanks!!
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2016, 09:37:09 pm »

@sutieday: then unfortunately I cannot help you. But you can always run Linux in a VM using for example Virtualbox
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2016, 09:45:01 pm »

I may just create a new partition on my drive and load Ubuntu on it, and then use Easy BCD to add it to the windows bootloader. But for now I'll stay on Windows. Thanks for the suggestions! @Ronald1971
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2016, 12:01:41 am »

I have been using GNU/Linux regularly since 2014.

When I first used Ubuntu was in 2013, so at first I was like you, switching to Windows as soon as I could. But then I thought: “You only use Microsoft's operative system bc you need the Office suite and iTunes”. Then I learned enough with OpenOffice and began to use Rhythmbox only to extract music of mi iPod (bc I already put it all at that time: 32 GB of music), and suddenly I was completely in love with GNU/Linux.

The printers can be use as soon as you plugged them (in Windows you need to download the drivers or use the original CD), you don't really need to worry about viruses, and most of the programs are free and open, so you don't need any licenses or cracked versions of them. Etc... About the terminal, I'm so affraid of it as you. But I don't try to learn a lot of it, when I need to do something I just search for that in Google and then I follow the instructions closely. Nothing more, nothing less.

Two years now, it's like a marriage. Hahaha.  Grin

I think I will use virtualbox and install Windows so I can use apps such as Microsoft Access, PowerPoint etc. I don't like that I can't open access databases in Libreoffice, other than that the system is fine, and I can get the apps I want.  Smiley

Or you can use PlayonLinux to install Office inside your main OS...  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2016, 08:54:59 pm »

Has anyone tried Ubuntu 16.10? How is it? I usually try new releases of Ubuntu to see what has improved in regards to the desktop.
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2016, 03:54:22 pm »

I don't have 16.10, however I do have 16.04, and its running beautifully, despite one little snag with Dropbox not wanting to cooperate with Gnome (Compiz or Metacity) for some unknown reason.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2017, 09:36:33 pm »

I have tried many flavors of Linux over the years and so far my hands down favorite is Linux Mint 18 'Sarah'. I use the KDE 64bit version and it runs great on all my devices.  If you are a little bit uneasy about running strictly Linux then create a dual boot computer for Windows and Linux.  My main laptop is a triple boot: I have Linux Mint 18, Windows 7, and RemixOS(I like to play my android games at full speed and full screen).
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 10:48:28 pm »

Anyone using Linux on Mac?
I'm looking for a compatible (working) version to use with "MacBookPro10,1". Anyone who has been able to do so successfully, pls let me know. Thanks!!

From https://www.qubes-os.org/hcl/#hardware-laptops

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  • Model - Manufacturer and Devicename (Socket/CPU, Chipset/Southbridge, Graphics)
  • BIOS - Reported BIOS version
  • HVM - Intel VT-x or AMD-v technology (required for running HVM domains, such as Windows-based AppVMs)
  • IOMMU - Intel VT-d or AMD IOMMU technology (required for effective isolation of network VMs and PCI passthrough)
  • SLAT - Second Level Address Translation (SLAT): Intel VT-x support for Extended Page Tables (EPT) or AMD-V support for Rapid Virtualization Indexing (RVI).
  • TPM - TPM with proper BIOS support (required for Anti Evil Maid)
  • Qubes - Reported Qubes version (R=Release, rc=release candidate, B=Beta, i.e.: R1, R2B1, R2rc1)
  • Kernel - Reported dom0 kernel version (numbers in uname -r), can be selected during installation and boot in Troubleshooting menu
  • Remark   - Further information field. Qubes, Kernel and this field is coloured in conjunction to reflect general machine compatibility
  • Credit - Name linked to report in qubes-users

ModelBIOSHVMIOMMUSLATTPMQubesXenKernelRemarkCredit
Apple Inc. MacBookPro 10,1 i7-3820QM Ivy GT 650M Mac EditionMBP101.88Z.00EE.B07.1501071031yesyesunknownunknownR3.14.6.04.1.13-9https://groups.google.com/d/topic/qubes-users/pcPwoNsq-j8/discussionBoris
Apple Inc. MacBookPro10,1 i7-3820QM Ivy Bridge NVIDIA GK107MMBP101.88Z.00EE.B07.1501071031yesyesunknownunknownR3.14.6.04.1.13-9https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/VVwWqvz5dX4/Xbum_4MaCgAJDave C

You will want to download it from here: https://www.qubes-os.org/downloads/. The latest release (3.2) is working as well.
Follow the installation guide [ https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/ ], then the instructions listed above (to install the broadcom driver).
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2017, 02:20:21 am »

If you like Slackware, even though it's not as user friendly as Ubuntu or Linux Mint, there is a version available for the Mac called Slackintosh Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2017, 10:29:06 am »

What if, your not exactly noob but all you've ever known is Unity and now you're scared?

I've been trying the Gnome desktop on my laptop and apart from the not liking it because it's different it is also noticeably slower, even dramatically so.  Sure, the slow could be because I have it installed along side Unity but the not liking it because it's different, it is.

I take back saying Shuttleworth is the sexiest man alive.  My Dell tablets (ya dude I got a dell plural) were getting all ready for convergence and now because what exactly, not making enough profit yoink.  Pfft.  That wee conspiracy guy that is like a devil on my shoulder keeps yelling "This is what you get for getting in bed with Microsoft" and maybe I've been listening to him too much but...
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