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« on: November 11, 2016, 03:39:42 am »

I'm sure we all know by now that Donald Trump is going to be the 45th United States president.  And I'm sure everyone is also aware that sadly, he and his running mate Mike Pence are against gay marriage being legal in the U.S. and even want to put a ban on hay marriage, even though the law was passsed by the Supreme Court nationwide almost a year and a half ago. Mike Pence himself seems to be the more of problematic of the two: he believes being gay and other orientations in the LGBT is basically a disease that needs to be corrected, and strongly encourages the dreaded "correctional/conversion therapy" that makes us all cringe. This would obviously be a major problem for the LGBT community and I want to know how you guys feel about it. Are you hopeful? Many LGBT people have voiced their fear and worries about what this could mean for them and some have expressed extreme distaste and anger with the idea. How do you feel? afraid
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 03:49:59 am »

This worries me to no end.  They are both bigots and uninformed persons.  I forsee lots of steps backwards for the USA as a whole.  Who knows we might end back up in the Stone Age before they are done.   blow nose  At this point I am absolutely ASHAMED to say that I live in the United States.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 04:03:41 am »

I'm sure we all know by now that Donald Trump is going to be the 45th United States president.  And I'm sure everyone is also aware that sadly, he and his running mate Mike Pence are against gay marriage being legal in the U.S. and even want to put a ban on hay marriage, even though the law was passsed by the Supreme Court nationwide almost a year and a half ago. Mike Pence himself seems to be the more of problematic of the two: he believes being gay and other orientations in the LGBT is basically a disease that needs to be corrected, and strongly encourages the dreaded "correctional/conversion therapy" that makes us all cringe. This would obviously be a major problem for the LGBT community and I want to know how you guys feel about it. Are you hopeful? Many LGBT people have voiced their fear and worries about what this could mean for them and some have expressed extreme distaste and anger with the idea. How do you feel? afraid

There is actually a SLIM chance Hillary could still win. Turns out, and this is one reason any people want to abolish the electoral college, That the electoral college will meet in December (yup each of those electoral votes is an actual PERSON) and they CAN, if they choose, change their vote from Trump to Clinton. It is rare but in some races one or two have changed their vote. That being said if you're an American who hates these results look up petitions online asking these people to change their vote. Can't hurt and maybe we'll get this laughing stock of a man out of the White House?
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 04:44:13 am »

The fact that Trump and Pence won the election, is to me personally, beyond terrifying. Not *JUST* as a gay man. We've elected a person who has less self control then a two year old child, who can not control his temper, who does not respect women, who can not run a business. I'm sorry, you've had how many bankruptcies? I know more then enough about how it's 'legal' and a way to 'redistribute debts', etc. That said, it indicates a degree of incompetence at a staggering level. I'm not even going to touch on the rest of Trump's issues.

As for Pence *shudders*

As a *HUMAN BEING* they terrify me. I could easily see under their leadership and the backlash they're whipping up fifty, sixty or more years of social progress wiped out. I can easily see the issues of the Cold War returning with a vengeance and MAD being a reality, and not just a potential threat.

This... this is what we elected. I voted for Hillary Clinton, not out of any agreement or approval of her as a Presidential Candidate, but because the alternative was even less tolerable. I voted for Bernie Sanders, as he was the *ONLY* Candidate that actually *CARES* about the regular person on the street.

I can only say this, when we look back at this day in history, we'll mark it as a major turning point in history. And I don't see it as a turning point for the better.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 05:39:50 am »

The thing that bothers me the most is that this election has brought out the worst in people. It seems that bigotry, racism, misogyny, and homophobia have been legitimized. After all the strides forward we've made, I feel that we may be set back 50 years.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2016, 06:29:08 am »

The thing that bothers me the most is that this election has brought out the worst in people. It seems that bigotry, racism, misogyny, and homophobia have been legitimized. After all the strides forward we've made, I feel that we may be set back 50 years.

As an Independent who didn't vote for Hillary or Trump: If anything's been legitimized, it's left wing hysteria and baseless accusations of "bigotry, racism, misogyny, and homophobia". People don't think about anything critically or objectively anymore, they just regurgitate sensational BS and shout "isms" they hear in their Facebook and Twitter echo chambers.

The fact is, Hillary was/is so enmeshed in corruption and guilty of so much blatant hypocrisy, people felt they couldn't trust her. "Racists" didn't vote, people who saw how unbelievably corrupt and insultingly dishonest Clinton was, and how deeply her corruption appears to run throughout the American political system, even the media (CNN, anyone?), voted.

In short, Trump is the last guy I'm concerned about. I'm more afraid of the hysterical, rioting protesters than the alleged racist/homophobic/whatever boogeymen coming out of the woodwork that I keep hearing about from Liberals, but have yet to see. I'm more afraid of the people around Trump than I am of the bumbling fool himself (Mike Pence, for one. But that's why they call VP's "assassination insurance", right?).
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 07:04:14 am »

I'm curious, when Trump said "round them up", does anyone know who "them" is and who's next?
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2016, 08:03:07 am »

Hell no.

I'm black and gay. I'm fucked either way.

Plus Trump is so goddam funny and tells it like it is. Fuck anyone who disagrees.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 08:27:23 am »

I'm curious, when Trump said "round them up", does anyone know who "them" is and who's next?

Look, I'll spell it out right now: I am against deporting all illegals. But that's who he's referring to: Illegals.

As in, people who came into the US illegally. Not immigrants, not Mexicans, just illegals. Specifically, and this is key, because people keep ignoring this fact, violent criminal illegals. Frankly, as I said once before, I am opposed to his policy for "building a wall" (good luck with that anyway, Trumpo) and "rounding up" illegals (At least the non-violent ones, and most of them are not. Fuck the minority who are, though, seriously). But, being the rational, objective individual that I am, I try to look at all the angles. And, from what I can observe (it's not hard to see, if people take a moment to look beyond their Starbucks cups and charmed, metropolitan existences), the poor people of America feel they've been completely shafted, and there's good reason for that: They have been.

Regardless of the fact that I think many poor people's anger about illegal immigrants as a whole (versus violent criminal illegal immigrants specifically) is misguided, it's not hard to comprehend, if nothing else, why they feel resentful about illegals (remember, were talking illegal immigrants. Not legal immigrants. not anyone based on their race or culture, just illegals). The fact of the matter is, they don't give a damn about people emigrating legally. But they feel like they're being screwed by a system that looks the other way when people come into the country illegally in droves and take advantage of resources while they're still poor and suffering. Why is it so hard for the pampered liberal elites to understand the perspective of the poor in the US? I notice the vast majority harping on "racism" in this issue are very well-to-do white people who live in cities. Doesn't surprise me they know nothing about the underclass of America, or don't seem to get that not everyone has it as good as they do.

Yes, obviously, there is an incredibly small minority of extremist, right-wing fringe voters who are racist, but they don't come near to representing the vast majority of poor who are voting for themselves, not against immigrants. They vote for border control because they feel abandoned by the system, not because they "hate" immigrants. Assuming all poor people are racist idiots is just as arrogant and clueless as assuming non-whites can't get ID's for voting [EDIT: inb4 "buuuhh! Faux News!" Would you feel better if I'd posted it from MSNBC?]. It's the typical soft classicism and racism of the privileged left that deems everyone "less" than them as helpless and weak idiots in need of their wisdom and stupid, narcissistic savior complexes, and who prefer to coddle and placate the disadvantaged than to actually help them. I grew up poor. Dirt-fucking-poor. I know what a trap the welfare system is, and how condescending the left is to its "underlings" (poor, disadvantaged people) based on personal experience.

Unfortunately, what the disenfranchised underclass who support deporting all illegals miss is that illegals are often just as bad off as they are, or worse off, and that they are human beings with families trying to escape their own corrupt system and the madness of the drug cartels (Donald Trump unfairly plays up the "violent criminal" angle, and never seems to mention all the women and children). It's a sad fact that things are like this, but it doesn't make the people voting against illegals racist. They're certainly sick of being labeled racist by ivory tower assholes who know nothing about their plight, though. That's probably another big reason they voted in Trump. So thanks, SJW's, for pissing everyone off to the point that we ended up with a fucking populist clown like Trump! People got sick of this hysterical, batshit-crazy PC culture we've become mired in. They got tired of being told everything is their own faults.

Also, I'm guessing "we" are next, if the shit I've heard about Pence wanting to fund gay conversion therapy is true. As I said, the people around Trump scare me way more than he does.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2016, 09:27:59 am »

I am more than terrified. Horrified, sad and if I was able I would leave the country. He is the American version of Hitler. I had a dream last night that he rounded up all the gays and took us to the concentration camps......just like Hilter did to the jews during the holocaust. I have read several articles that state he is the Anti-Christ and the 666 sign is underneath the scar on his head...all things 666 relate to Trump more that is just a coincidence. I do believe that during his reign as God of America we will see the end of the world in more ways than one.
So terribly sad here and I can't believe that he actually won.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2016, 09:53:17 am »

I am more than terrified. Horrified, sad and if I was able I would leave the country. He is the American version of Hitler. I had a dream last night that he rounded up all the gays and took us to the concentration camps......just like Hilter did to the jews during the holocaust. I have read several articles that state he is the Anti-Christ and the 666 sign is underneath the scar on his head...all things 666 relate to Trump more that is just a coincidence. I do believe that during his reign as God of America we will see the end of the world in more ways than one.
So terribly sad here and I can't believe that he actually won.

Not sure if satire or just plumb crazy (really hard to tell these days)... Laughing all the same. Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2016, 11:21:20 am »

I support deporting ALL illegals.   Why is that one law we don't enforce?   

Illegals harm legal immigrants in that they are given amnesty and in most cases, they get priority in the queue.  This is why I (and my husband) now live in the UK.  My husband's green card was pushed back until after his visa expired, so we had to leave the US.

Allowing illegals to stay does nothing but say to those that are considering it, that we don't care about US laws.

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As for gay marriage, that would take a lengthy constitutional change process.   Changing the constitution isn't an easy process. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2016, 01:22:29 pm »

I think there ought to be a compromise with illegals here already (who don't necessarily always have the means or the opportunity to emigrate legally), as long as they aren't engaging in any egregious criminal activities and are willing to prove they want to become citizens if given some opportunity. How we do that? I don't know, but it's a potential compromise I think is worth considering.

I think it's a bit un-American to say we ought to restrict legal immigration outright, or kick out everyone here illegally. But I can also see how it's reasonable to put a temporary bottleneck on legal immigration, and stop looking the other way in allowing illegal immigration to continue until shit gets sorted out on our end. It's not about "keeping them out", which is how liberals always frame this issue. It's about tending to our own people's needs (all of them, no matter what their race or economic status) before letting floods more come in, especially those not contributing in taxes. Most Americans are not wealthy. A lot can't even afford insurance. I'm not insured myself. It hasn't been easy.

And, so, it seems logical enough to me to stop the leak before trying to mop up the puddle. It's sad that it's come to that, but I've not heard any sensible suggestions apart from that, just a lot of privileged, out-of-touch liberals shrieking "XENOPHOBIA!" because they apparently don't know how much better they have it than the average, impoverished American. Nobody but the actual few-and-far-between racists/nationalists (who are themselves disproportionately poor and disillusioned, if you want some perspective on their misguided views) "likes" the idea of locking out the tired, poor, huddled masses. It's completely contrary to our American principals. But it seems like a necessary evil at times. No one likely ever imagined what an overpopulated clusterfuck the world would become when they came up with those American principles, after all. Of course we want to take in everyone who wants a part of the American Dream, but there's not enough apple pie to go around, no matter how much it stings to admit that.

I'm still reluctant to get behind slogans like "round 'em up" and "build a wall", though. They're mostly as desperate as the rest of us. It's easy to be angry and unsentimental and say "fuck 'em all", especially when you can't even get insurance or any other kind of help, speaking from experience. But I can't forget that they are still people, and most of them are not malicious, underhanded tricksters trying to willfully bleed America dry, they're just desperate people trying to get away from even more corrupt governments and to survive. So, give the illegals already here who are willing to become naturalized, documented immigrants a chance (a real chance, not a hand-out or a free ride). If they refuse to accept that opportunity, then it's on them for getting sent back, or otherwise stripped of free access to healthcare and things of that nature.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2016, 01:25:22 pm »

Yes.  Trump is a racist, anti-immigrant, homophobia-stoking, misogynist, piece of dog excrement.  Pence is a homophone WHO HAS enacted LAWS against LGBT individual's rights under the guise of his dog excrement religion.   
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2016, 09:16:30 am »

......just like Hilter did to the jews during the holocaust...
I'm sorry to say that this revisionist history seriously angers me.

Nazi Germany was one of many countries who adopted eugenic policies, which was meant to improve the genetic stock of their population. Such programs often included both "positive" measures, such as encouraging individuals deemed particularly "fit" to reproduce, and "negative" measures such as marriage prohibitions and forced sterilization of people deemed unfit for reproduction.

People deemed unfit to reproduce often included people with mental or physical disabilities, people who scored in the low ranges of different IQ tests, homosexuals, criminals, deviants, and members of disfavoured minority groups.

The concentration camps were the logical extension of this eugenic policy: kill people deemed unfit.

Jewish people were NOT the only victims. But because many of the other victims are still considered "unfit", "undesirable", "unacceptable", many are happy to pretend they don't exist and/or were not victims.

After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, and some men were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments began to acknowledge this historical fact.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 10:27:23 am »

TRUMP is not anti-immigrant.  That is a total lie.   He supports legal immigration. 

If we are going to continue to ignore immigration laws, then we should ignore all the other laws as well. 

Not deporting illegals tells the world that we pander to criminals, so no one should bother with legal immigration. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 10:45:32 am »

TRUMP is not anti-immigrant.  That is a total lie.   He supports legal immigration. 

If we are going to continue to ignore immigration laws, then we should ignore all the other laws as well. 

Not deporting illegals tells the world that we pander to criminals, so no one should bother with legal immigration. 

Goodbye Nazi.  I'm not walking into the ovens quietly. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 01:28:57 pm »

More than Trump himself, I'm more afraid of what (some of) his supporters are capable of doing and ARE doing right now.

I understand that Trump is only against illegal immigrants and not legal immigrants, but that fact didn't stop many of his supporters from harassing and threatening soooo many people of color, LGBT+ people, Muslims etc.

I have read about over 50 such incidents that occurred all over the country which took place on the first day of Trump presidency.
A FEW examples:
1) A black man's car was atrociously vandalized with the words "NIG*ER" and "Trump" right next to each other.
2) A gay man has been brutally attacked by Trump supporters right after the election results were announced. They smashed a bottle over his head and was left bleeding profusely while they yelled, "We got a new president you fucking fagg*ts."
3) A woman of color was threatened by white Trump supporters in a gas station who asked her to leave the country, and then proceeded to pull out a gun on her and said, "If there weren't any witnesses, I'd kill you right now."

The internet is blowing up with MANY more such incidents.


So, while Trump cannot directly make drastic changes in the law and stuff like that without going through all the necessary processes which I assume are governed by a number of people, his supporters are almost free to do as they like. THEY are the ones who are spreading white supremacy, racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia. And they are taking advantage of the fact that Trump, a person who has in fact spoken out on all this things in a negative way, even if he didn't mean them on such a degree, is now president. And they feel like they can do what they want and not get in trouble for it, because their thought process will be, "A guy who supports all my ideals is president, so why can't I do these things?"


So in conclusion, I'm more afraid of what his supporters will/could do, rather than Trump himself.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm »

TRUMP is not anti-immigrant.  That is a total lie.   He supports legal immigration. 

If we are going to continue to ignore immigration laws, then we should ignore all the other laws as well. 

Not deporting illegals tells the world that we pander to criminals, so no one should bother with legal immigration. 

Goodbye Nazi.  I'm not walking into the ovens quietly. 

Chill with calling people "nazi" because you do not agree.   

The only thing you have is hysterical name calling.   You have not made any points other than you support illegal immigration.   I bet your country has immigration laws, which would, by your logic, make you a nazi as well.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 02:38:55 pm »

More than Trump himself, I'm more afraid of what (some of) his supporters are capable of doing and ARE doing right now.

I understand that Trump is only against illegal immigrants and not legal immigrants, but that fact didn't stop many of his supporters from harassing and threatening soooo many people of color, LGBT+ people, Muslims etc.

I have read about over 50 such incidents that occurred all over the country which took place on the first day of Trump presidency.
A FEW examples:
1) A black man's car was atrociously vandalized with the words "NIG*ER" and "Trump" right next to each other.
2) A gay man has been brutally attacked by Trump supporters right after the election results were announced. They smashed a bottle over his head and was left bleeding profusely while they yelled, "We got a new president you fucking fagg*ts."
3) A woman of color was threatened by white Trump supporters in a gas station who asked her to leave the country, and then proceeded to pull out a gun on her and said, "If there weren't any witnesses, I'd kill you right now."

The internet is blowing up with MANY more such incidents.


So, while Trump cannot directly make drastic changes in the law and stuff like that without going through all the necessary processes which I assume are governed by a number of people, his supporters are almost free to do as they like. THEY are the ones who are spreading white supremacy, racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia. And they are taking advantage of the fact that Trump, a person who has in fact spoken out on all this things in a negative way, even if he didn't mean them on such a degree, is now president. And they feel like they can do what they want and not get in trouble for it, because their thought process will be, "A guy who supports all my ideals is president, so why can't I do these things?"


So in conclusion, I'm more afraid of what his supporters will/could do, rather than Trump himself.


So all the violence by BLM against whites and the police are the fault of Obama and Hillary?    The same could be said of Orlando and other events.
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