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« on: January 18, 2017, 09:49:39 pm »

I still believe Donald Trump and Mike Pence will be focused on many other things and will ignore Republican calls to dismantle the right to same-sex marriage and many of the other protections given to LGBT couples by President Obama by executive order. I just can't see them doing it after Donald Trump told America that same-sex marriage is a settled issue. However, Mike Pence is Mike Pence  funny

If the Trump administration aligns with the many Republicans in the House and Senate who believe the Supreme Court ruling is wrong, will you continue to support the Trump administration? If he reverses all of the protections given to LGBT couples working in the federal government given to them by President Obama, will you continue to support the Trump administration? If he bans LGBT couples and their families from White House events, a complete reversal of the past 8 years under President Obama, will you continue to support the Trump administration?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 11:05:45 pm »

Trump won't be able to ban gay families from the White House without changing US laws. 

Mike Pence is a piece of shit.  Nothing will change that.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 11:18:55 pm »

Trump won't be able to ban gay families from the White House without changing US laws. 

Mike Pence is a piece of shit.  Nothing will change that.

I didn't say banned from the White House, I said banned from White House events such as the Easter Eggroll, as in those type of families simply won't be invited. You are aware that during many presidencies, LGBT families were not allowed to participate in those events, right? President Obama's White House was one of the most open White Houses in a very long time. If it goes back to how it was, will you still support Trump? If he and Pence decided to coerce Congress into passing legislation or if Congress itself goes through the committee process to create legislation challenging the SCOTUS ruling, will you still support them? If they decide to bring back DADT or even attempt at creating a constitutional ban on marriage, will you continue to support them? No one is saying that is what will happen and even I strongly believe it won't happen, but if it does will that cause you to change your support?
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 09:18:23 am »

Trump won't be able to ban gay families from the White House without changing US laws.  

Mike Pence is a piece of shit.  Nothing will change that.
If they decide to bring back DADT or even attempt at creating a constitutional ban on marriage, will you continue to support them? No one is saying that is what will happen and even I strongly believe it won't happen, but if it does will that cause you to change your support?
Highly unlikely Trump will bring back DADT because it was a Democrat that created DADT in the first place (Hitlery's husband). Also, even if he did appoint a supreme court that overturned gay marriage (highly unlikely it'll ever be reversed), who the fuck cares?! There are FAR more important things in this country than whether people can get butt married. I'm more worried about the economy and being able to make a living, Obama's presidency has been one of the worst economically, this was the first administration in almost 90 YEARS where real GDP growth did NOT go above 3%. That is utterly abysmal. Obama has also bombed almost twice as many countries as Bush,and under the Obama administration the US has been at war for more days than any other president (including Bush). I'm more worried about being able to find a higher paying job and whether my truck will be stolen again by an illegal immigrant (for the second time) than gay marriage. If the number one thing you're concerned about is getting married, then your life is pretty fucking great.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 10:28:01 am »

How many times do I have to say it;  I AM NOT A TRUMP FAN.

When I voted, I left the bit for President blank because I didn't like any of the choices. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 12:57:59 pm »

I will for I'm not a Us citizen and I honestly really dont care about his domestic politics. all that matters are his international views which are way better than the Clinton and so TAFTA is now buried and dead. good thing.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 11:17:48 pm »

Trump won't be able to ban gay families from the White House without changing US laws.  

Mike Pence is a piece of shit.  Nothing will change that.
If they decide to bring back DADT or even attempt at creating a constitutional ban on marriage, will you continue to support them? No one is saying that is what will happen and even I strongly believe it won't happen, but if it does will that cause you to change your support?
Also, even if he did appoint a supreme court that overturned gay marriage (highly unlikely it'll ever be reversed), who the fuck cares?! There are FAR more important things in this country than whether people can get butt married.

"Butt married?" Oh my, that's so disappointing that you would refer to something so important with such disrespect. Think of all the people who died never getting the chance to be "butt married" because of this country's stance on same-sex marriage and LGBT rights.

I would care because I was able to get married in 2015 and it would be highly upsetting if he did reverse the progress that was made during President Obama's time in the White House. It would be a slap in the face for something like that to happen, especially since he himself said it was settled and the law of the land. If he goes back on his word on that, I and many, many others will have absolutely nothing to support him on anymore. This is our lives we are talking about, not just some imaginary idea. We can't go from having a president who supported expanding more than just marital rights to same-sex couples, but the benefits that come with those rights, to a president who will return us to how it was. I have to say it's very disappointing to see some of you okay with the possibility of returning to how it was. I'm literally crossing my fingers hoping that Trump will keep his word. I don't want my marriage to be considered invalid because of this incoming administration and how some (like Pence) view same-sex marriage and the rights of LGBT individuals. This is very, very serious and I still can't believe how some of you are behaving right now.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 11:26:06 pm »

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"Butt married?" Oh my, that's so disappointing that you would refer to something so important with such disrespect. Think of all the people who died never getting the chance to be "butt married" because of this country's stance on same-sex marriage and LGBT rights. 

Finally, something we both agree on. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 10:48:32 pm »

The LGBT rights page has been removed from whitehouse.gov. Still not losing hope but this is troubling.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 01:44:23 am »

Remember Trump is pure bravado, he might make incendiary comments concerning LGBT people to stay in the limelight or keep the Christian-Religious members of the Conservative party and their supporters happy.  Thing is that you distinguish words from actions and don't lose your cool.

So White House Events? I feel those things are for people who wanna feature in social magazines covers (kinda works that way in Mexico), but honestly IF I were to live in the USA, I would be more concerned with the Economy.

Trump might need to congratiate with the Hard Right groups so he might not invite gay families, or invite fewer gay families than Obama did.  This is just PR.

koliko6 has a point though.  How you want gay marriages to succeed if they must face difficulties like the cost of living and insecurity? Most fights within marriage have to do with money (besides cheating)

EDIT: By the way, anyone knows how this White House Event Invitation's System works?
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 10:39:56 pm »

Just learned that it's standard for whitehouse.gov to remove all pages associated with the previous president, so the LGBT page disappearing doesn't mean anything. Still, all eyes are on this administration. The election is over. Hillary Clinton did not win; therefore, Hillary Clinton is irrelevant at this point. Trump won and is our president which means everything he says and does is the action of the president, he does not get any passes. I do not care that the Republican base is anti-LGBT, he cannot afford to be anti-LGBT. He has practically no political capital and no honeymoon period due to his low approval rating (which ranges from 32-37% by many reputable sources, including Fox News/Pew). You may not believe in polls anymore but the reality of the low turnout at his inauguration is symbolic of his real support. There are blogs and other online groups dedicated to showing the thousands of regret posts on Twitter and Facebook by people who voted for him due to his billionaire Wall Street cabinet picks and his opinion changes since the election. He has no room for any mistakes like many other presidents have had. His best chance is to reflect policies based on what the majority of Americans support. If he or Pence or even the Republicans launch an assault on the LGBT community then they will be DONE.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2017, 10:53:57 pm »

Just learned that it's standard for whitehouse.gov to remove all pages associated with the previous president, so the LGBT page disappearing doesn't mean anything. Still, all eyes are on this administration. The election is over. Hillary Clinton did not win; therefore, Hillary Clinton is irrelevant at this point. Trump won and is our president which means everything he says and does is the action of the president, he does not get any passes. I do not care that the Republican base is anti-LGBT, he cannot afford to be anti-LGBT. He has practically no political capital and no honeymoon period due to his low approval rating (which ranges from 32-37% by many reputable sources, including Fox News/Pew). You may not believe in polls anymore but the reality of the low turnout at his inauguration is symbolic of his real support. There are blogs and other online groups dedicated to showing the thousands of regret posts on Twitter and Facebook by people who voted for him due to his billionaire Wall Street cabinet picks and his opinion changes since the election. He has no room for any mistakes like many other presidents have had. His best chance is to reflect policies based on what the majority of Americans support. If he or Pence or even the Republicans launch an assault on the LGBT community then they will be DONE.

What opinion changes? Name at least 2. Yesterday, even the liberal media had to concede his whole address boiled down to, "yep, I meant everything I said on the campaign."
Keep living in the clouds if you think that he is somehow worried about those polls or what the dems or even the repubs think.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 11:36:23 pm »

I don't believe Trump will "attack" LGBT rights.  I dont think he cares.  I think he may do things for some purpose that may have unintended consequences on LGBT rights.  That's what we need to worry about.

I do have concerns over Pence attacking gay rights after Trump is impeached but we can  cross that bridge in a few months after the impeachment.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2017, 04:19:54 am »

Just learned that it's standard for whitehouse.gov to remove all pages associated with the previous president, so the LGBT page disappearing doesn't mean anything. Still, all eyes are on this administration. The election is over. Hillary Clinton did not win; therefore, Hillary Clinton is irrelevant at this point. Trump won and is our president which means everything he says and does is the action of the president, he does not get any passes. I do not care that the Republican base is anti-LGBT, he cannot afford to be anti-LGBT. He has practically no political capital and no honeymoon period due to his low approval rating (which ranges from 32-37% by many reputable sources, including Fox News/Pew). You may not believe in polls anymore but the reality of the low turnout at his inauguration is symbolic of his real support. There are blogs and other online groups dedicated to showing the thousands of regret posts on Twitter and Facebook by people who voted for him due to his billionaire Wall Street cabinet picks and his opinion changes since the election. He has no room for any mistakes like many other presidents have had. His best chance is to reflect policies based on what the majority of Americans support. If he or Pence or even the Republicans launch an assault on the LGBT community then they will be DONE.

What opinion changes? Name at least 2. Yesterday, even the liberal media had to concede his whole address boiled down to, "yep, I meant everything I said on the campaign."
Keep living in the clouds if you think that he is somehow worried about those polls or what the dems or even the repubs think.

(1) "I'm going to drain the swamp" - Donald Trump, until he picked a Wall Street insider who foreclosed on an elderly woman for owing $.27 (27 freaking cents) as his nominee for Treasury Secretary, a billionaire (one who along with her brother donated a ton of cash to Trump's campaign) who doesn't even know how public schools function or are funded as his nominee for Education Secretary, and the owner of Hardee's/Carl's Jr. who is on record saying he opposes discrimination laws and would love to fire as many people as possible and replace them as robots to avoid paying wages to working people.

(2) "I know more than the intelligence community," and, "The intelligence community is using Nazi tactics against me" - Donald Trump, until now; now he's kissing up to them and claiming, "I have your back."

As for me living in the clouds, I didn't make up the millions of people marching in various cities around the country today. There were also marches around the world protesting against the man who was just inaugurated as the American president yesterday. He doesn't have to care about the polls, but elected officials do. Once he gets around 28% he'll become toxic and the Republican party will do to him what they did to George W. Bush. It's time for Trump to make some changes or this thing is about to get a lot worse. The only reason why I'm still holding on to a shred of hope is because they haven't attacked the LGBT community or made it official that LGBT families will no longer be accepted at official White House events or treated with respect. The moment we return to "there needs to be a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage" will be the moment I join millions of others in opposing the administration wholeheartedly.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2017, 04:26:43 am »



(1) "I'm going to drain the swamp" - Donald Trump, until he picked a Wall Street insider who foreclosed on an elderly woman for owing $.27 (27 freaking cents) as his nominee for Treasury Secretary, a billionaire (one who along with her brother donated a ton of cash to Trump's campaign) who doesn't even know how public schools function or are funded as his nominee for Education Secretary, and the owner of Hardee's/Carl's Jr. who is on record saying he opposes discrimination laws and would love to fire as many people as possible and replace them as robots to avoid paying wages to working people.



Tom Price has also been accused of insider trading.  He made millions while in Congress.  He bought stock just days before he passed a bill that would make the company a lot of money.

His education secretary pick wants guns allowed in schools in order to protect frrom grizzly bears........ afraid
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2017, 08:45:02 am »

Remember Trump is pure bravado, he might make incendiary comments concerning LGBT people to stay in the limelight or keep the Christian-Religious members of the Conservative party and their supporters happy.  Thing is that you distinguish words from actions and don't lose your cool.

The problem isn't really Trump pe se, it's the fact he represents the pen to sign the laws of his party. A party that is now in control of all three branches of government.

And his party is hell bent on turning the clock back. If he was presented with a law, not unlike "Religious Freedom", do you think he would veto it? I find it unlikely he would refuse to sign it.

So, like people that like to complain that Obama didn't accomplish as much as he said he would: It's Congress that's the problem. The President doesn't make laws, he signs them, let's them lapse into law (10 days), or vetos it.

This is why the hullaballoo over Presidential Elections is misplaced. Congressional Elections are probably multiple times more important.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2017, 09:37:53 am »

Continue? Who here should have been supporting them this far?! I have never, am not, will never support such a vile man and denounce most of what he stands for, his ideology, his....crazy. Shame on anyone still throwing support behind him...especially from our community. And since I'm thinking about it, they already have launched an attack on our rights--I think we can all agree that women's rights (lets not forget about our gay sisters), gay rights, funding for the arts, truth & justice, fair treatment of minorities, etc etc etc all go hand in hand with LGBT issues.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2017, 01:33:32 am »

Continue? Who here should have been supporting them this far?! I have never, am not, will never support such a vile man and denounce most of what he stands for, his ideology, his....crazy. Shame on anyone still throwing support behind him...especially from our community. And since I'm thinking about it, they already have launched an attack on our rights--I think we can all agree that women's rights (lets not forget about our gay sisters), gay rights, funding for the arts, truth & justice, fair treatment of minorities, etc etc etc all go hand in hand with LGBT issues.
I wanted to be different than the Republicans who behaved downright disgusting towards President Obama. I wanted to keep believing that when the president succeeds, we all succeed. I no longer hold that belief now because I truly do not believe Trump has any of our best interests at heart. He has no heart. He has no soul, as far as I'm concerned. #45* is #NotMyPresident.

*awaiting his impeachment (along with now nearly 60% of the country)
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2017, 04:03:17 am »

The only problem with impeachment is that Pence is next. And after Pence, Ryan.

It's a long ways to go before you actually remove the bigots. It would be great to get a Republican that can say "gay" in a positive or at least neutral way without their face contorting like they swallowed a fly.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2017, 05:44:14 am »

....Continue? ... I Didn't support them in the first place and I REFUSE to support them. Trump is a lying, narcissistic, climate change denying,  ego maniac who thinks he's right and everyone else is wrong.
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