Trump executive order allowing anti-LGBTQ discrimination is coming soon
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« on: January 30, 2017, 10:52:44 pm »

This could be a rumor and is unsubstantiated as far as I know.

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/01/sources-report-trump-executive-order-lgbtq-community-coming-soon/
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 11:08:17 pm »

We'll have to wait and see.   I don't think Trump is anti-gay but I also don't think he will go out of this way to protect any group (except billionaires, rednecks and Russians).
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 01:30:36 am »

This could be a rumor and is unsubstantiated as far as I know.

Then, why the eff you posted it?!

I'm all about sharing news with others, but you must cherry pick them.  Find well funded ones.

Buzzfeed...pft... Journalism is decaying heavily nowadays...




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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 03:13:03 am »

Hopefully, this is just a rumor. If not, if #45 and Pence decide to attack our community with discriminatory legislation then I simply will not understand how any of you would support that. I keep seeing people saying, "I support him for his economic policies." What policies are you talking about? He himself isn't releasing any details about anything because he's too hung up on his low approval ratings by multiple sources, including conservative polling sources. Instead of ignoring the boos and putting his vision for the country out there, he's too busy on Twitter attacking people. Who does that? How can you say you support him for his economic policies when there aren't any in place or currently being drafted? #45 came in with bad numbers and its going to get worse, so why not move on and put your vision forward anyway? He should be scheduling his joint session of Congress for February, not acting like a child on Twitter.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2017, 04:10:38 am »

I don't think that he will do anything to gays because if he does then Melania will be stuck wearing this seasons outfits for the rest of her life.....unless she starts buying off the rack.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2017, 04:27:51 am »

Then, why the eff you posted it?!

I'm all about sharing news with others, but you must cherry pick them.  Find well funded ones.

Buzzfeed...pft... Journalism is decaying heavily nowadays...

I have the ability to separate fact from fiction, the story was well circulated on several small, yet reputable media outlets, and is consistent with multiple sources. Granted, maybe a bit strongly worded since it was published by an LGBTQ website on the issue of Donald stripping equal rights away from LGBTQ people, who fought hard for decades to be treated equally. If Donald does go through with the executive order, it is sure to do wonders for his already stellar approval rating.

Out of respect for people's intelligence, I let people know that at this stage, the story has not been verified through official channels and there's always the possibility that somebody talks some sense into Donald.

I'm assuming your are referring to Buzzfeed publishing the dossier. It's really weird, that an ex-KGB officer who is believed to be one of the sources, was possibly murdered. That happened around the same time 3 other intelligence officers were arrested. Again, I can't connect the dots there conclusively, but the timing is really odd and I'm not really sure how you just randomly die of a heart attack in the back of your car. "Oh no, I'm having chest pains... Let me get in the back of my car and die..." Seems a little strange, but I can't say 100% for certain and it doesn't necessarily add any credibility to the dossier.

Google it if you like.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2017, 04:43:35 am »

Hopefully, this is just a rumor. If not, if #45 and Pence decide to attack our community with discriminatory legislation then I simply will not understand how any of you would support that. I keep seeing people saying, "I support him for his economic policies." What policies are you talking about? He himself isn't releasing any details about anything because he's too hung up on his low approval ratings by multiple sources, including conservative polling sources. Instead of ignoring the boos and putting his vision for the country out there, he's too busy on Twitter attacking people. Who does that? How can you say you support him for his economic policies when there aren't any in place or currently being drafted? #45 came in with bad numbers and its going to get worse, so why not move on and put your vision forward anyway? He should be scheduling his joint session of Congress for February, not acting like a child on Twitter.

To be clear, it's not a rumor that it's being discussed. It's a rumor that Donald is going to issue an executive order on the matter. Trump supports FADA (First Amendment Defense Act.)

I completely agree. Donald did speak about a few things that I wouldn't mind seeing implemented, but it's become apparent that the American people were lied to. So far the only things Donald has done are either somewhat self serving or are arguably bigoted actions, other than appointing highly controversial staff.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2017, 11:33:14 am »

Oddly, on the same site they are saying that the White House has officially said that there is no anti-LGBT executive order on the cards.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2017, 04:46:57 pm »

Oddly, on the same site they are saying that the White House has officially said that there is no anti-LGBT executive order on the cards.

That's not what was said in the WH statement. Donald supports FADA, WH made a statement this morning stating that Obama's executive order effecting federal contractors will remain.

Obama's orders are not Trump's orders, FADA was not created by Trump. These are all separate issues.

Spicer is quoted as responding; “There’s a lot of executive orders, a lot of things the president has talked about and will continue to fulfill, but we have nothing on that front now.” but it's hard to tell exactly what was asked without a transcript.

Video is here but it's an hour long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADb12ZW9qYQ

Edit: 49 minutes in, Spicer was asked about the rumored religious freedom executive order and responded with the cited statement on http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/01/white-house-says-anti-lgbtq-executive-order-not-plan-time/ .

I can not find the source for the quotation : "The President is proud to have been the first ever GOP nominee to mention the LGBTQ community in his nomination acceptance speech, pledging then to protect the community from violence and oppression."

But it's widely distributed, by reputable media outlets.

To me, this translates to (if I believed anything the current administration says, which I don't) Trump won't use executive orders to impose "legalized religious discrimination", but supports signing a bill passed by congress.

We will see who Trump picks for the Supreme Court today. William Pryor Jr. was dropped from the list yesterday.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 10:15:04 am »

FADA can't be done by Trump.   It requires Congress. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 08:33:51 pm »

Oddly, on the same site they are saying that the White House has officially said that there is no anti-LGBT executive order on the cards.

HEY!!! You stop that! Quit trying to talk sensibly and logically in here! In here, we all have to rail against everything a republican says or does or MIGHT EVEN POSSIBLY DO or we cannot claim to be gay!
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 02:14:43 am »

More on the order is here:

A copy of the executive order draft is included.

I hope nobody is surprised Spicer lied.

This is extremely broad and would cover a large range of issues. I'm reading it now and I have no idea on the legality of an order like this.

https://www.thenation.com/article/leaked-draft-of-trumps-religious-freedom-order-reveals-sweeping-plans-to-legalize-discrimination/
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 03:17:40 am »

More on the order is here:

A copy of the executive order draft is included.

I hope nobody is surprised Spicer lied.

This is extremely broad and would cover a large range of issues. I'm reading it now and I have no idea on the legality of an order like this.

https://www.thenation.com/article/leaked-draft-of-trumps-religious-freedom-order-reveals-sweeping-plans-to-legalize-discrimination/

Most likely they're going to push for discrimination, it's just with his approval numbers averaging at around 32% right now, they didn't want any more marches and protests to get started. It's not the right time for them to push for LGBT discrimination, but they will because they'll need the base by the 2018 midterm.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2017, 03:22:39 am »

I doubt any of us have anything to worry about.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2017, 05:29:22 pm »


Most likely they're going to push for discrimination, it's just with his approval numbers averaging at around 32% right now, they didn't want any more marches and protests to get started. It's not the right time for them to push for LGBT discrimination, but they will because they'll need the base by the 2018 midterm.

What makes you think the administration cares about their approval ratings?
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2017, 05:34:31 pm »

It's not looking good....

https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-executive-order-draft-could-curtail-lgbt-rights-081600920--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=fauxdal
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 03:02:26 am »


Most likely they're going to push for discrimination, it's just with his approval numbers averaging at around 32% right now, they didn't want any more marches and protests to get started. It's not the right time for them to push for LGBT discrimination, but they will because they'll need the base by the 2018 midterm.

What makes you think the administration cares about their approval ratings?

The fact that they keep broadcasting that everything he does has "widespread support" and is "the best decision ever." They care about the numbers which is why they keep saying everything is "fake news" and that all polls are "fake polls." They just released a statement today trying to assure people that the ACA will be replaced by late next year in attempt to stop all of the massive protests at congressmen townhall meetings. They see the numbers and they are worried. If they weren't, they would've removed each and every single LGBT protection that President Obama put in place without even thinking about the ramifications. They're leaving them in place temporarily with the hopes that all of the attention will die down.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 08:03:30 am »

The selfish part of me is glad that this immigration battle is happening because the more time they spend working on that the less time they have to do things that impact me directly.
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