Steve King is proof that #45 has emboldened white supremacists
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« on: March 14, 2017, 05:32:28 am »

With his recent statements, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) has further proven that white supremacists now feel they have a voice to go national with their beliefs of white power and white superiority since #45 is now in the White House.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/steve-king-iowa-race-babies-border/index.html

They feel this way as a direct result to #45's success in 2016. When Barack Obama won, there weren't any black politicians or Congressmen openly or covertly saying, "blacks are superior and are more deserving of life and opportunities than whites." No one was committing acts of violence against white immigrants while shouting, "Get out of my country!" This is a recent disgusting occurrence and it is directly tied to #45 and his hateful, white nationalist rhetoric. There aren't any modern comparisons to what we are currently facing with the rise of white nationalism and white supremacy in this country. The few Republican presidents we've had in the last 30 years may have used racism to unify the Republican base at times (i.e. Reagan's welfare queen statements, George H.W. Bush's racist Willie Horton ads), but they stopped short of actually rallying their base with blatant white supremacist language. People who think like Steve King were very careful back then not to bring the wrong kind of attention to their racist antics out of the fear they'd lose elections and support. However, now that they feel safe and justified in their beliefs because of the rise of #45, we're seeing the real them.

This is frightening to a lot of us, but it's not a reason to panic or feel like we should leave this country. This is a time for reflection and condemnation. What Steve King has effectively done is put the entire Republican party as well as ANYONE who voted for #45 in a paradox. With the statements being as blatant as they are right now, those who voted for #45 are either themselves white supremacists (consciously or subconsciously) or the white supremacist statements were not a problem for them. Remember, you do not have to be white to believe in white supremacy or to not see it as a serious enough problem so when a candidate argues for it blatantly, you still support that person. If it was not a problem for you, then by definition you have no problem with racism. There simply is no in-between with this situation. People like Paul Ryan and #45 voters can shout it until they're blue in the face that they are not racists or supporters of racism, they voted for and/or supported a candidate who blatantly made the argument for white nationalism and white supremacy; so much so that he has inspired a Congressman to openly defend that argument.

There is no in-between. You either voted for and/or supported the man making the argument or you didn't. If you did, the evidence shows you supported white supremacy in the 2016 election and you currently support it by continuing to support #45. "I voted for jobs," "I voted for the Obamacare repeal," "I voted for the non-politician;" none of that excludes the fact that you voted for the man who has reawakened the argument for white supremacy in this country. Knowing that he is a proponent of white nationalism and that he hired well-known white nationalist Steve Bannon did nothing to stop you from voting for him; therefore, you either indirectly or directly support white nationalism and white supremacy. The writing is on the wall and once again, there is no in-between with this situation.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2017, 06:18:25 am »

I didn't vote for Trump nor am I a fan of his or nor a supporter...and I am in no way a white supremacist.
But let me start by saying you have no right to judge everyone else based on your own set of values.
It makes you sound ignorant and small minded yourself.

There are several inaccuracies in your post, most obvious enough I don't have to point them out.

While I agree there is a problem with racism, this problem is not just a "white" problem nor is it just a republican problem.
While there are more traditionally "racist" stereotypes on the republican/conservative side, there are also many non typical racist types on the democratic and so-called-liberal side.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 08:46:07 am »

Hmm, sounds like GWB's speech writer was involved in this; YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS, THERE'S NO IN BETWEEN.

Does this mean I have to believe the debunked HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT?   I mean Obama sent in the FBI and they completely proved it was a lie.  Obama didn't do it to find out the truth, but to race bait the issue.  Many black Congress people, including my own Congresswoman who I voted for and will continue voting for, race baited the issue as well.

You clearly believe that women are the true victim of war, since men go off to fight.   That's what Hillary believes and you supported her.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2017, 11:05:40 pm »

Any attempts to deflect the point of this post by bringing up irrelevant topics such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, BLM or feminism automatically destroys your arguments. This post is directly tied to recent comments made by Rep. Steve King (R-IA) who has been influenced by white nationalism and white supremacy to say very disgusting things. I have drawn a direct line between the Republican party's recent acceptance of that very same white nationalism and white supremacy through their support of #45 and his well-known white supremacist aka alt-right strategist Steve Bannon. Their support for white supremacy is blatant; therefore, there are currently no valid excuses for supporting them. Either their support of white supremacy was not a problem for those who voted for them or those voters themselves support white supremacy consciously or subconsciously. I do not see a way where there is any room for an in-between.

For a small window of time, there was what I believe an argument for supporting #45's administration based on the possibility that he'd become more presidential and distance himself from the serious problems detailed in this post. If he'd distanced himself from that disgusting faction of the Republican party and from people like Steve King and Steve Bannon, then there would be no argument to make on this. I myself was willing to give #45 a chance because I personally believed in supporting our commander-in-chief as long as that commander-in-chief had proven himself to be competent enough to make serious decisions and would hold himself accountable to those very same decisions. #45 has proven that he is incompetent and refuses to hold himself accountable to anything he does; therefore, I no longer support him based on that sole premise. I never supported anything else about him or his campaign and I did not vote for him.

This thread is not about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or anything else you could think of to derail the argument. Hillary Clinton is not our president nor does she hold any position of power currently in government, nor does Barack Obama. Where is your proof that Steve King did not make statements supporting white supremacy and white nationalism? Where is your proof that Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or any other Republican that used racist rhetoric to unify the Republican base in fact never did use such rhetoric? Ronald Reagan using his "welfare queen" argument and George H.W. Bush's Willie Horton ads in the 1988 election are publicly known instances and can be heavily backed up by reputable sources. The current rise of support for white nationalism and white supremacy can also be backed up reputable sources.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/20/255819681/the-truth-behind-the-lies-of-the-original-welfare-queen

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/04/opinion/george-bush-and-willie-horton.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/jeb-bush-willie-horton-118061

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menachem-rosensaft/peter-brimelow_b_1338565.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/world/americas/white-nationalism-explained.html?_r=0

Where are your reputable sources debunking any of this? I deal in facts, not make believe. Steve King is a real person who is making real statements supporting white nationalism and white supremacy, and he was heavily influenced during the 2016 election to become more vocal about that support. This is a real, huge problem for our country and deflecting to try to make it about Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton proves you do not see it as a serious problem; therefore, you are complicit.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2017, 11:24:18 pm »

Also, this is just my argument and I have used reputable sources to back it up. I am in no way saying this is definite. It is an argument that I believe and if others believe it, that's fine. I am one person and I do not represent anyone but myself. Therefore, using my postings as poster children for "common liberal and/or SJW thought" would also derail your argument.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 07:06:52 am »

So, your logic is that voting for/supporting Trump means we support white supremacy, but you get pissy when we use your logic against you.  You logic dictates that you support the most crackhead liberal SJW bullshit.

Even more telling is that you think you control the topic.

Fucking typical. 


And as always, I don't like Trump, never have.  I wanted Elizabeth Warren. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 08:29:52 am »

Any attempts to deflect the point of this post by bringing up irrelevant topics such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, BLM or feminism....blah-blah-blah-blah....


Yeah, there's no way in heck I'm reading that wall of text after already seeing you are a SJW who actually believes sites like Huffington Post.
The fact is, you cannot say you have the right to believe what you want and make such claims and then tell others they do not have those same rights.
I just shut morons out who have such small, closed minds.
Bye!
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 10:13:21 pm »

Any attempts to deflect the point of this post by bringing up irrelevant topics such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, BLM or feminism....blah-blah-blah-blah....


Yeah, there's no way in heck I'm reading that wall of text after already seeing you are a SJW who actually believes sites like Huffington Post.
The fact is, you cannot say you have the right to believe what you want and make such claims and then tell others they do not have those same rights.
I just shut morons out who have such small, closed minds.
Bye!

Thank you for proving my point and affirming my argument.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 10:36:39 pm »

Once again, whether you support the blatant white nationalist and white supremacist ideals of this administration and people like Rep. Steve King or the fact that they are themselves white nationalists and white supremacists doesn't bother you one bit; you are supporting white nationalism and white supremacy. It's very telling how no one is refuting the actual claim. Why are you not refuting the sources with your own sources that prove Rep. Steve King, Steve Bannon or even #45 himself are not pushing a white nationalist, white supremacist agenda in this country? Where is your proof that the Republican party has not used racism to unify their base for the last 30-40 years? It's very telling that most people's first line of defense it to shout, "I'm not a white supremacist," instead of condemning the disgusting things that Rep. Steve King and Steve Bannon have said. Do you agree that white people are superior to everyone else? Do you agree that white people have contributed the most to modern civilization; therefore, only white people should be treated fairly and humanely? Why are you not refuting this and instead are bringing irrelevant things into this discussion?

You're not holding me to my own logic by bringing up irrelevant topics into a discussion about one highly specific argument. Hold me to my logic by proving what I am saying is wrong with your own reputable sources. You cannot prove someone wrong on a highly specific topic by bringing in irrelevant information. Bringing in irrelevant information automatically destroys your argument. This discussion is about Steve King and others like him being emboldened by the white nationalist rhetoric of Steve Bannon and our current chief executive, #45. Here are some examples of that white nationalist rhetoric and the embracing of that white nationalist rhetoric by actual white nationalists and white supremacists.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/white-nationalists-on-bannon/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/steve-bannon-white-house-racism-fear

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/quotes-from-steve-bannon-trumps-new-white-house-chief-strategist/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rep-steve-king-endorses-racist-white-nationalism/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-white-nationalists-alt-right-214388

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/us/politics/white-nationalists-celebrate-an-awakening-after-donald-trumps-victory.html

Let me guess, all of these reputable sources are a part of some mass left-wing conspiracy, right? Steve King, Steve Bannon and #45 have never inspired any white nationalists and/or white supremacists with their rhetoric? No wonder why you people never once came out against the ridiculous "alternative facts" claim. You truly believe in an alternate reality.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 06:39:42 am »

The Guardian is a far left rag.     

CNN is fake news.  Don Lemon and his usual guests whore for the left.   


BULLSHIT.  If you are claiming that Trump supporters are guilty of thought crimes by association, then so are you.  You don't get to accuse others of something, without it affecting you too. 

Just because a person like you says something is irrelevant, doesn't mean it is.  That's just your bogus claim.   

Using your logic, you are guilty by association of everything Hillary and everyone of her supporters believe.   
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2017, 09:35:43 pm »

The Guardian is a far left rag.     

CNN is fake news.  Don Lemon and his usual guests whore for the left.   


BULLSHIT.  If you are claiming that Trump supporters are guilty of thought crimes by association, then so are you.  You don't get to accuse others of something, without it affecting you too. 

Just because a person like you says something is irrelevant, doesn't mean it is.  That's just your bogus claim.   

Using your logic, you are guilty by association of everything Hillary and everyone of her supporters believe.   

Excuse me sir, but I used a combination of sources from very different media outlets. You cannot claim that every single source I used is "fake news" or a "far left rag" without providing sources that refute my claims. This is basic logical reasoning we are talking about here, not make believe or gut feelings. And once again I am reminding you to stop trying to deflect what this discussion is about. It is not about Hillary Clinton, it is about what the title of the thread says, "Steve King is proof that #45 has emboldened white supremacists." Where in that title or in my initial argument in the first post do you see any mention of Hillary Clinton? This argument is not about Clinton or any other irrelevant topic you keep trying to bring into this discussion. Where are your sources proving that Steve King, Steve Bannon or even the Republican party as a whole has never embraced racism and/or white nationalism and white supremacy to unify their base? Where are your sources that prove Steve King or Steve Bannon have never made any comments supporting white nationalism and/or white supremacy? Is Steve King not a Republican assigned as a chairman to a current Congressional committee or subcommittee; therefore, suggesting he is in leadership within the Republican controlled Congress? Is Steve Bannon not a lead strategist and consultant to #45 in the White House? What about my argument is false and where are your sources to prove they are false?
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2017, 09:01:55 am »

You don't get to demand what this topic is about.

You said that anyone who supports Trump supports white supremacy. 

So by your logic, you support beheading gays and stoning women because you support Hillary.   

You just want to name call those you disagree with, without them pointing out your bullshit.     As I pointed out, if you can call Trump supporters "white supremacists", then others are fully within their rights to call Hillary supporters whatever they want as well. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2017, 09:02:27 pm »

You don't get to demand what this topic is about.

You said that anyone who supports Trump supports white supremacy. 

So by your logic, you support beheading gays and stoning women because you support Hillary.   

You just want to name call those you disagree with, without them pointing out your bullshit.     As I pointed out, if you can call Trump supporters "white supremacists", then others are fully within their rights to call Hillary supporters whatever they want as well. 

Once again, what does that have to do with my argument? And I actually said either they support white supremacy OR #45's embracing of white supremacy and white nationalism did nothing to dissuade them from voting for him. Why are you going off into wild tangents about "beheading gays," and "stoning women?" That's all you do on here is deflect, deflect and deflect some more.

95-98% of what you say is wholly irrational...and when confronted with an argument backed up by multiple sources, you fail to refute the claims being made, and instead, you deflect. Also, I am pointing out your irrationality when making arguments, not you personally. I can say your arguments are based in racism (which in itself is irrational) without blatantly calling you a racist as you have done me many, many times on here.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 02:39:50 pm »

LOL, you don't like me not obeying your demands to only Trump hate, so I'm irrational.  Gotta love it.  Cheers


If those that voted for Trump are X, Y and Z because they voted for Trump, then the same for those that voted for Hillary.   

Just because Hillary didn't win, means nothing.  You and anyone who supported her hate gays and women, because Saudi Arabia supported her.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 02:53:46 pm »

LOL, you don't like me not obeying your demands to only Trump hate, so I'm irrational.  Gotta love it.  Cheers


If those that voted for Trump are X, Y and Z because they voted for Trump, then the same for those that voted for Hillary.   

Just because Hillary didn't win, means nothing.  You and anyone who supported her hate gays and women, because Saudi Arabia supported her.

Saudi Arabia donated to the Clinton Foundation charity. So did many other countries. Norway gave more money than Saudi Arabia too.

The Clinton Foundation which used that money to help disenfranchised individuals all around the world get access to medication for HIV/AIDs and malaria and also set up networks that provide accessible and equitable healthcare.

Trump on the other hand registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during his campaign while at the same time saying that he would never take Saudi money. He is also in talks with Mr. Son, who runs a front for Saudi money to the tune of $100 billion dollars, 45 billion of which is Saudi. This will allow Saudi money to take over many companies in Sillicon Valley.

Is doing business directly with the royal family, or letting Saudi investors take control of American companies the same fucking thing as using Saudi money to fund solutions for healthcare?
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 08:36:43 pm »

LOL, you don't like me not obeying your demands to only Trump hate, so I'm irrational.  Gotta love it.  Cheers


If those that voted for Trump are X, Y and Z because they voted for Trump, then the same for those that voted for Hillary.   

Just because Hillary didn't win, means nothing.  You and anyone who supported her hate gays and women, because Saudi Arabia supported her.

Your argument is irrational because you are attempting to refute my claims by bringing in Hillary Clinton, who is wholly irrelevant to this topic. Refute my claims with evidence that Steve King, Steve Bannon and #45 have never said a single thing defending white nationalism and/or white supremacy. Using Hillary Clinton as some "well she's doing it, too," symbol of false equivalence worked well while the election was happening but now it's over. We are talking about reality now, not make believe or what would've happened. The reality is we have people in positions of power (King, Bannon, #45) defending white nationalism and white supremacy because they now feel comfortable due to the election of #45. You may not take the effects of white nationalism and white supremacy serious but that gives you no right to attempt to minimize them to those of us who are effected by them in this country. If you want to make a thread about liberals supporting all of the bad things Hillary and Bill have supported, fine, make your thread with your own sources. No one is stopping you. But what you will not do is deride what this discussion is about just because you're uncomfortable with the topic. Where is your evidence that King, Bannon and #45 have never uttered a single comment defending or inspiring white nationalism and/or white supremacy?
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2017, 09:53:05 pm »

NOPE.  You do not get to control this topic. 

You said anyone who voted for or supported Trump is guilty by extension.  Of course I'm not surprised at all that you're butt hurt because I use that same logic against you.   

Since that is your claim, then it applies in all cases.  Or are you just doing this to scream "racism" again?     

AND AGAIN, you don't get to dictate what is and is not allowed in this thread. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 09:57:46 pm »

LOL, you don't like me not obeying your demands to only Trump hate, so I'm irrational.  Gotta love it.  Cheers


If those that voted for Trump are X, Y and Z because they voted for Trump, then the same for those that voted for Hillary.   

Just because Hillary didn't win, means nothing.  You and anyone who supported her hate gays and women, because Saudi Arabia supported her.

Saudi Arabia donated to the Clinton Foundation charity. So did many other countries. Norway gave more money than Saudi Arabia too.

The Clinton Foundation which used that money to help disenfranchised individuals all around the world get access to medication for HIV/AIDs and malaria and also set up networks that provide accessible and equitable healthcare.

Trump on the other hand registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during his campaign while at the same time saying that he would never take Saudi money. He is also in talks with Mr. Son, who runs a front for Saudi money to the tune of $100 billion dollars, 45 billion of which is Saudi. This will allow Saudi money to take over many companies in Sillicon Valley.

Is doing business directly with the royal family, or letting Saudi investors take control of American companies the same fucking thing as using Saudi money to fund solutions for healthcare?

AND?   Trump is a douche bag, so what?! 

RC doesn't care about any of that, he just wants to scream "racism" at white people.     

Saudi is still killing gays and women, regardless if they give money to the Clinton charity.   So Hillary isn't as innocent as you want us to think.   
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 11:20:55 pm »

While you are right, the orange gas bag is the real reason for fear. He probably isn't running the show but he sure as hell is driving the car. Sorry, watching 'School of Rock' and it is catchin'  Smiley Bad lines abound.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2017, 11:41:12 pm »

NOPE.  You do not get to control this topic. 

You said anyone who voted for or supported Trump is guilty by extension.  Of course I'm not surprised at all that you're butt hurt because I use that same logic against you.   

Since that is your claim, then it applies in all cases.  Or are you just doing this to scream "racism" again?     

AND AGAIN, you don't get to dictate what is and is not allowed in this thread. 

If you want to apply my logic to me, that's fine.

That's not what I'm arguing against. I am arguing that the election of #45 has inspired white nationalists and white supremacists to come out of hiding and take pride in their racism, and I used Rep. Steve King (R-IA) and his recent white nationalist and white supremacist language as an example. Instead of refuting my claims, which you must agree with, you've made attempts to equalize things that Hillary Clinton has allegedly supported (without any substantial proof to back up those claims by the way). Why are you trying to minimize the effects of white nationalism and white supremacy instead of refuting that they actually exist and they have damaging effects on society? Is it because Steve King's words are so well-known? Is it because the Republican party in Congress has given him chairmanship of committees and subcommittees despite his support for white nationalism and white supremacy? There has to be a reason why you do not take white nationalism and white supremacy speech coming from an elected official seriously. Is it because you yourself support it?

I condemn the things you accuse Hillary Clinton of yet I have not heard you condemn the hate speech from white nationalists like Steve Bannon, Steve King and #45 himself. Where is your condemnation? Where are your sources that prove what I'm saying about King, Bannon and #45 are wrong?
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