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« on: March 24, 2017, 07:03:58 pm »

I posted this as a reply to a previous message, but very few people would have found it buried under dozens of other comments.. so I'm posting it again as a "new topic". 

  I commented on Democratic Representative Adam Shiff's Facebook page.   I chastised him for attacking Trump constantly.   I reminded him that during a CAMPAIGN it is fair to attack a CANDIDATE.. but after an election, it is a crime called SEDITION to attack the president of the United States.  After the election, politics need to end, so that the process of actual governing can begin.  In other countries, attacking the leader would get one put in prison, or even shot.  Even in England which has "freedom of the press" there is an exception.. the press are forbidden from attacking the Queen (and  to some degree the other Royals).  To do so is a crime.   It is ironic that decades ago, there were fairly credible news programs.  In fact, believe it or not, CNN used to be the most credible news outlet in the world!   Now it is fake news, the Clinton News Network of liberal propaganda, and frankly equivalent to a terrorist organization.  Instead of REPORTING the news, they do little more than fan the flames of anarchy and anti-US sentiments.  Again, decades ago, there were credible news programs, and then came along programs that parodied the real news such as John Stewart's "Daily Show".   That show began as being a funny comedy.. but then people started preferring to watch the parodies of news (fake news) to real news.   Most mainstream news media are now a group of ignorant, nihilistic talking heads.  I went on to point out that Adam Schiff and his liberal cronies don't care about the welfare of the USA.. but instead care about covering their own asses, and pandering to the liberal populaces to keep their worthless asses in power sitting on a soft leather chair in the halls of Congress. 

Does my comment sound reasonable?   It didn't to Adam Schiff and Facebook.   The very next day after posting that, my facebook account that I  had for 10 years was not just suspended, but permanently disabled with no warning, no explanation, and no opportunity to refute or appeal the punishment.  I can't even access my OWN comments from that account, to retrieve 10 years of comments and posts and my friends list.  Talk about censorship!   The way Facebook works now is.. if you dare to say anything that means anything.. you are risking having your account permanently terminated!   All facebook wants is all your email addresses, phone numbers, real names, family members names, photos, addresses, cell phone numbers, work history, hobbies.. and they DO even sometimes ask for social security numbers as a form of identification (which is a felony).   They are like the NSA which collects data on people.   Facebook they directly or indirectly supplies this information to anybody who will pay for it, including telemarketers, advertisers, government, information services that sell your information for big $$$, etc.  This is not my opinion, it is a fact, because I get phone calls and snail mail in my post box addressed to names that I only use on Facebook.   By the way, name one other social networking site OTHER than Facebook which requires one to provide real names, phone numbers, etc.   There isn't one.   That is absurd for many reasons.. one reason is if you have a common name such as "John Smith"  or "Jose Menendez" there is little chance that anybody could ever find you on Facebook.  Also, if you had a name such as "Englebert Kleppers" then you have no anonymity at all.   In the past, I used to tell people that they were crazy to ever give out their real names, real phone numbers, real addresses, where they work, and pictures of their families.   That opens the door to all sorts of disasters such as past relationships coming back to haunt the person.. people in the workplace interfering with one's family life,  children being put in jeopardy from enemies of their parents, blackmail, impersonation, identity theft, etc. 

How did I do for my first political post?    Crazy?
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2017, 06:30:13 am »

Facebook hates wrong think, er um conservative views, but they have no problem with videos showing live puppies being fed to snakes or beheading videos. 

All social media is pretty far left leaning. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2017, 09:03:33 am »

You should not have been suspended for anything you posted. I'd hope you hire an attorney to help you regain access to your posts because you made no threats to anyone and Facebook shouldn't be able to ban people for making arguments or stating their opinions.

However, I'd hope you were this vocal when Senator Mitch McConnell and others launched vicious attacks on President Obama after the election, such as stating that the Senate and Republicans' number one goal was to deny Barack Obama a second term; the unprecedented obstruction the Republicans led for a very long time to block President Obama; and the countless investigations into the Obama administration that turned up absolutely no serious evidence of wrongdoing. #45 himself, although a private citizen then, launched an attack on Barack Obama claiming he wasn't born in the U.S.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2017, 06:48:01 pm »

I hate the way political parties on both sides are acting.  This shit started back during Clinton with the "contract with America".   

Neither party is the "good side" of this. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 10:18:01 pm »

It's really sad how my first interaction with you, Frederick, was in this thread and in support of you and your right to be able to say what you wanted on Facebook without them disabling you and now you've stooped down to constantly downgrading my reputation on here. I've seen the multiple hits you made to my reputation and it's just sad that you would constantly do that day after day. Even mhorndisk and raphjd only did it once, but not you. I'm attaching proof that you have been constantly downgrading my reputation while I have only did the same to you a total of 2 times as opposed to your whopping 8 times against me within the last 2 weeks. You're pathetic.

Even though you've become very childish, I still believe Facebook is wrong for what it did to you and that it is very one-sided. I have black and white friends who only said they disagree with BLM and have had their profiles removed, yet there are black people who clearly state they hate white people and their profiles cannot be removed. I'm an adult and even though you've been very unfair to me on here constantly, I can still say you're right and you should take legal action against Facebook. This will be the final time I address you though because I just wanted to prove my point with screenshots to back me up.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 04:27:54 am »

Regarding Sedition:

Note: Citing Wikipedia because it's faster then looking it up elsewhere.

Yates v. United States, 354 U.S. 298 (1957), was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States that held that the First Amendment protected radical and reactionary speech, unless it posed a "clear and present danger."

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


So unless Schiff (I didn't look up the quote) was calling for a military coup, or is currently a member of the military, he's fine.

Since Donald Trump is a public figure, he has little ability to peruse civil matters:

In 1964, however, the court issued an opinion in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) dramatically changing the nature of libel law in the United States. In that case, the court determined that public officials could win a suit for libel only if they could demonstrate "actual malice" on the part of reporters or publishers. In that case, "actual malice" was defined as "knowledge that the information was false" or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not". This decision was later extended to cover "public figures", although the standard is still considerably lower in the case of private individuals.

Which is why CNN can't call him a "crook" as he has never been convicted of theft, but if he was convicted of stealing a candy bar, they can, since it's true, technically. They can put the words in the same sentence, but they have to work around it by suggesting something like; #statement#, does that make him a crook? or what Donald does, I've been hearing, people have said, somebody told me that. Or what Fox does, they just put the words and concepts next to each other in separate sentences. So, they'll say something like "Under federal law it's a crime to #statement#. #Person# was seen with #statement#." They never actually claim anything other than their true statements.

Welcome to #fakenews.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 12:36:51 am »

It's really sad how my first interaction with you, Frederick, was in this thread and in support of you and your right to be able to say what you wanted on Facebook without them disabling you and now you've stooped down to constantly downgrading my reputation on here. I've seen the multiple hits you made to my reputation and it's just sad that you would constantly do that day after day. Even mhorndisk and raphjd only did it once, but not you. I'm attaching proof that you have been constantly downgrading my reputation while I have only did the same to you a total of 2 times as opposed to your whopping 8 times against me within the last 2 weeks. You're pathetic.

Even though you've become very childish, I still believe Facebook is wrong for what it did to you and that it is very one-sided. I have black and white friends who only said they disagree with BLM and have had their profiles removed, yet there are black people who clearly state they hate white people and their profiles cannot be removed. I'm an adult and even though you've been very unfair to me on here constantly, I can still say you're right and you should take legal action against Facebook. This will be the final time I address you though because I just wanted to prove my point with screenshots to back me up.

Internet points, Who cares? 
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