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« on: April 03, 2017, 05:54:26 pm »

Frankly, the job of being president is impossible.  The way that government is set up, it is ineffective at governing.  The only times that things get done are during periods of extreme crises, such as wars.  That is terrible!

Anyway.. There seems to be no letup in the number of Trump haters, even though the election has been decided. 
While one might not like Trump, he is worlds better than Hillary who would have gotten us into a war with Russia that both sides would lose.

Anybody who would vote for Hillary instead of Trump is just ignorant of the facts.  Hillary is pretty much.. a monster.
Hate Trump all you want, but consider that someone has to be president.   Hillary is a "no go". 
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 09:46:32 pm »

Fredrick, why are you obsessed with spreading your political propaganda on a gay porn website?

Everyone here who has actually paid attention to the facts can see past your lies, and we think of you as a sad, brainwashed drone who repeats whatever lies you are told.

If you know the actual facts, like the vast majority of people do, Donald Trump is the most disgusting man to ever be president of the US. He is NOT qualified, he is a racist, a narcissist, and he suffers from obvious paranoid delusions. He is a conspiracy theorist.

As for Hillary Clinton, she has been a fantastic senator, and a fantastic secretary of state, and was a victim of "big lie" smear campaigns. They tell you the most disgusting made up crap about her- like that she runs child prostitution ring, and has murdered people- and morons like you just believe it.

Her only flaw as a candidate is she was to stiff. People vote for someone they would have a beer with, not for the school librarian who tells them to shush. That is it. If she had won, she would be an absolutely incredible president- just like her husband was, and just like Obama was, because she would continue their paths.

DO your reasearch- the nation prospers under Democrat administrations, and falls under Republican administrations.

Stop buying into obvious propaganda lies.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 10:28:21 pm »

Frankly, the job of being president is impossible.  The way that government is set up, it is ineffective at governing.  The only times that things get done are during periods of extreme crises, such as wars.  That is terrible!

Anyway.. There seems to be no letup in the number of Trump haters, even though the election has been decided. 
While one might not like Trump, he is worlds better than Hillary who would have gotten us into a war with Russia that both sides would lose.

Anybody who would vote for Hillary instead of Trump is just ignorant of the facts.  Hillary is pretty much.. a monster.
Hate Trump all you want, but consider that someone has to be president.   Hillary is a "no go". 


This reads like the election has not happened yet

HE WON!!! congratulations - now Fredrick.. where is your request for his accountability? *silence* Where is your condemnation of hios opponent *constant* - it is as if you are still angry, even though he won lol

"Being President is impossible"? Trump is failing and *suddenly* you have this epiphany that being president is hard and therefore *that's* why he is failing ? It has always been hard and was never supposed to be an easy thing - When Trump was campaigning he acted like if he won he's just change things in 5 minutes - and people believed him. The US presidency is not a  dictatorship where sweeping changes can be made based on a tweet the president reads or am article on the internet

He won.. move on and start holding him accountable.. stop dwelling in the past and start asking why is he not doing anything he said he would

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2017, 01:55:15 pm »

He won and he doesn't know how to handle it. He has been an ineffectual leader, with among the lowest approval ratings for a newly elected president based on multiple polls.

And Dene is right- why are these people so stuck up on Hillary that they act like the election isn't over? He won, so stop harping on how bad Hillary is to try to cover up his inadequacies. It's time to hold Trump accountable for his actions- his accomplishments and his growing list of failures!
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2017, 03:00:44 pm »

Regardless of your political leanings or feelings toward Clinton, she was the most "qualified" person to have run in the 2016 election. Some have even made a very convincing argument for her being the most qualified to have ever run. How she would've done had she won we'll never know. The best you can do is speculate based on facts. The job of President has no definitive way to prepare for it. However having been both the wife of a former president as well as having been Secretary of State, Clinton has had more of an inside look than any of the other candidate did. So the only reason I would see for the United States being at war with Russia, had she been elected would've either been in response to the Russians acts of cyber terrorism. Hacking into the the DNC and attempting to sway the outcome of the 2016 election (this being an alternate Trump-less Presidency) or if out of failure in getting Trump elected Russia decided to drop the cyber attacks and switched to missiles.

As for the reason the government being set up making it "ineffective at governing". If you can't see the reason why it's set up the way it is then I'm pretty sure the explanation would fall on deaf ears. I guess the most basic way to explain it given your inability to see why the number of Trump's "haters" is growing is had Clinton won would you want here to to be able to do whatever she wants without anyone being able to block her? Actually the way the government is set up and the fact that one political party currently is pretty much calling the shots to me proves what kind of fuck up Trump is. Had a republican like Romney or McCain been in office now, the things they could've done would've drastically changed the face of the US. Whether it would've been for the betterment of the US would depend on whether your political leanings were left or right. Which actually shows a flaw in the the checks and balances in place from giving to much power to the president as well as highlighting what a failure the current administration is. True we're not even past the first six months so he could turn it around however with the fact his cabinet isn't even remotely qualified for the position the hold let alone to offer him counsel on anything he's going to face over the next for years (assuming of course there isn't an impeachment before then) I doubt it.
You are right there isn't a let up and if he continues the path he's on unless completely brainwashed more and more of those who believed his lies will join the ranks of the "haters". Most people will only take being lied to for so long.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2017, 12:46:55 am »

He is an illegitimate President.  He said so himself when he claimed the election waas rigged with millions of illegal votes.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2017, 12:47:48 am »

Fredrick, why are you obsessed with spreading your political propaganda on a gay porn website?




Frederick has mommy issues.  He can't stop bashing an old woman who takes walks in the woods.  SAD!
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2017, 07:13:18 am »

Frederick, the election is over and it's extremely counterproductive to keep going on as if we're still in the year 2016. Your argument falls flat due to the fact that Hillary Clinton is NOT our president and never will be. Why is it so hard for people who voted for and support #45 to hold him accountable to his words and actions? He won the election so either you yourself don't see him as a legitimate president or you believe we're still living in the year 2016; both of which are irrational beliefs. He is the legitimate president and we are in the year 2017. Why are you still debating the 2016 election now that it is over?
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2017, 08:12:54 am »

Frederick, the election is over and it's extremely counterproductive to keep going on as if we're still in the year 2016. Your argument falls flat due to the fact that Hillary Clinton is NOT our president and never will be. Why is it so hard for people who voted for and support #45 to hold him accountable to his words and actions? He won the election so either you yourself don't see him as a legitimate president or you believe we're still living in the year 2016; both of which are irrational beliefs. He is the legitimate president and we are in the year 2017. Why are you still debating the 2016 election now that it is over?

Trump's supporters have to - it is all they have.. Accountability is only for the left, because if the Left side of politics ever says anything negative re : the left parties (which they seem to do when necessary imo) then  Trump supporters have used the Left admitting misgivings as a weapon against them. The Right never admits anything wrong - Great example is the "Locker Room Talk" fiasco.. basically saying/inferring what he said was ok, when it never was and never will be, imo.

If they say 1 bad thing about Trump, they know it will bite them and they will have to have that same weapon used against them.. Trump knows this and will push it as far as he can.. by the time people start holding him accountable, it will be too late and, i believe the ramifications will be huge for all

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 02:03:26 am »

Bernie Sanders. bouncing
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 04:13:45 am »

Bernie Sanders. bouncing
True True Thank you Bravo
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 08:31:23 am »

It's funny how liberal get so extremely butt hurt when I use "cuck" but they have no problems calling their enemies every name in the book.   

Maybe I should start giving full site bans when liberals complain about "flaming" when that is all they do.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 08:55:28 am »

Regardless of your political leanings or feelings toward Clinton, she was the most "qualified" person to have run in the 2016 election.  

Clinton was definitely the most qualified candidate, but at the end of the day, what matters is the candidate's ideas and platform, not qualification. If you base your vote on qualification as opposed to ideas, then ordinary people will never hold these high elected positions. This is the kind of elitist/born into privilege mentality that has driven away some old school/labour movement types from the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 02:08:24 pm »

Regardless of your political leanings or feelings toward Clinton, she was the most "qualified" person to have run in the 2016 election.  

Clinton was definitely the most qualified candidate, but at the end of the day, what matters is the candidate's ideas and platform, not qualification. If you base your vote on qualification as opposed to ideas, then ordinary people will never hold these high elected positions. This is the kind of elitist/born into privilege mentality that has driven away some old school/labour movement types from the Democratic Party.

I don't think you meant to say that Clinton was most "qualified".   I think you meant to  say that she was most "experienced".  She has spent her lifetime in politics.   If she had won, she would finish off destroying what Obama missed.   I think it is disgusting that a huge part of her platform was "government subsidized, guilt-free abortions on demand.. even up until the day of delivery".  Even the supporters of that goal should be horrified that it would comprise a major part of her platform.  Abortion is bad.  Perhaps not as bad as giving birth to a child that nobody can or will take care of, but it is bad nonetheless.  It's nothing to be proud or supportive of.  Anybody in favor of abortion rights should do so with great REGRET.  Hillary was far too enthusiastic about it.  You won't believe this.. but one of Hillary's biggest supporters was this crazy woman who said she wished she had gotten pregnant so she could exercise her right to have an abortion!  How sick is that?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 07:03:10 pm »

 I have to laugh to myself at anti-choice/anti-abortion gay men - if the roles were reversed, they would be ALL FOR IT. But, they are unable to comprehend anyone elses' feelings & experience - and at that point, they usually start quoting archaic religious doctrine that they do not even understand.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 07:32:15 pm »

I don't think you meant to say that Clinton was most "qualified".   I think you meant to  say that she was most "experienced".  She has spent her lifetime in politics.

Both words are correct- she is experienced AND qualified, and Trump is neither.

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   If she had won, she would finish off destroying what Obama missed.   

Destroying? Wow, what political propaganda did you get that from?

Bill Clinton gave us one of the most successful administrations since Kenedy, and then GW Bush DESTROYED it.
Obama was handed his DESTRUCTION, and did a damn fine job of repairing the damage.

Yet, Conservatives complain that Obama did not fix the damage done by the GOP fast enough, when he was blockaded by the GOP at every turn!

By any objective measure, the US thrives under Democratic administrations, and gets flushed down the crapper by Republicans.



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I think it is disgusting that a huge part of her platform was "government subsidized, guilt-free abortions on demand.. even up until the day of delivery".  Even the supporters of that goal should be horrified that it would comprise a major part of her platform.  Abortion is bad.  Perhaps not as bad as giving birth to a child that nobody can or will take care of, but it is bad nonetheless.  It's nothing to be proud or supportive of.  Anybody in favor of abortion rights should do so with great REGRET.  Hillary was far too enthusiastic about it.  You won't believe this.. but one of Hillary's biggest supporters was this crazy woman who said she wished she had gotten pregnant so she could exercise her right to have an abortion!  How sick is that?

Ah, so there you go- a single issue voter who does not care about the economy, foreign policy, LGBT rights, health care, education, climate change, or any other issue that the GOP constantly craps on, just so long as your taxes don't go to abortions.

Now THAT is sick.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2017, 12:05:06 am »

And BOTH are downright EVIL to the core & corrupt in EVERY possible way. Kick balls

Both words are correct- she is experienced AND qualified, and Trump is neither.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2017, 01:06:14 am »

You often see post on here vilifying Clinton and using misinformation to claim how corrupt she is. Every post has been debunked with sourced information and with detail and every post against Trump also resides in the same rigor of research and fact-checking. I can't understand how this continues to persist and on this site it is Trump supporters that throw out these outlandish claims just to be on the defensive when the litany of facts bombard them. You have no idea what makes her vile and so supporters just repeatedly throw out debunked slights against Hillary over and over to no end as if they're hoping, in time, that we too will leave reality behind.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2017, 07:28:52 pm »

You often see post on here vilifying Clinton and using misinformation to claim how corrupt she is. Every post has been debunked with sourced information and with detail and every post against Trump also resides in the same rigor of research and fact-checking. I can't understand how this continues to persist and on this site it is Trump supporters that throw out these outlandish claims just to be on the defensive when the litany of facts bombard them. You have no idea what makes her vile and so supporters just repeatedly throw out debunked slights against Hillary over and over to no end as if they're hoping, in time, that we too will leave reality behind.

It's not that Hillary is the embodiment of all evil in the world and Trump certainly isn't above criticism. But you can't complain about the vilification of Hillary Clinton as if it was a problem when Trump has been compared to Hitler and his presidency is under constant attack. 

There's also an expectation that people claiming the moral high ground practice what they preach. Clinton unleashed a monster when she attacked Trump's personal record when hers was not morally superior.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2017, 07:30:14 pm »

Regardless of your political leanings or feelings toward Clinton, she was the most "qualified" person to have run in the 2016 election.  

Clinton was definitely the most qualified candidate, but at the end of the day, what matters is the candidate's ideas and platform, not qualification. If you base your vote on qualification as opposed to ideas, then ordinary people will never hold these high elected positions. This is the kind of elitist/born into privilege mentality that has driven away some old school/labour movement types from the Democratic Party.

I don't think you meant to say that Clinton was most "qualified".   I think you meant to  say that she was most "experienced".  She has spent her lifetime in politics.   If she had won, she would finish off destroying what Obama missed.   I think it is disgusting that a huge part of her platform was "government subsidized, guilt-free abortions on demand.. even up until the day of delivery".  Even the supporters of that goal should be horrified that it would comprise a major part of her platform.  Abortion is bad.  Perhaps not as bad as giving birth to a child that nobody can or will take care of, but it is bad nonetheless.  It's nothing to be proud or supportive of.  Anybody in favor of abortion rights should do so with great REGRET.  Hillary was far too enthusiastic about it.  You won't believe this.. but one of Hillary's biggest supporters was this crazy woman who said she wished she had gotten pregnant so she could exercise her right to have an abortion!  How sick is that?

Indeed, "experienced" would have been a better word choice. Smiley
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