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« on: April 16, 2017, 09:05:35 am »

Hi guys, just wondering, because I'm pretty sure the African Americans switched to Democrat under FDR in the 30s when he promised them all jobs, and they weren't happy with getting into bed with the KKK, but they needed JOBS. So why do African Americans still cling to the Democratic Party? I'm wondering because the liberals want to take down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and ban the rebel flag because people were racist, but isn't the Democratic Party itself founded by the KKK, or did the KKK found the Democratic Party? I find this somewhat hypocritical, but I'd just like to take a poll to see how many of you think so, or not, because I'm not biased, just want to see how you vote. Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 12:10:13 am »

They cling to the Democratic party because of the blatant racism in the Republican party.  Trump referring to a black man as "My African American", Republicans allowing corporations to profit from prison labor, O'Reilly making fun of Maxine Waters wig.  Those are just recent examples.  I could go on all day.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 01:09:49 am »

This explains why, it wasn't that the parties swapped overnight, but over many decades, certain values of the parties were different, and most members had changed sides.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/yes-democrats-supported-slavery-but-that-misses-the-point/
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 05:31:48 am »

It is a well known fact that the Democratic Party created and supported the KKK for a time. No one has ever disputed that. However, minimal research will show you that both political parties went through complex realignments and took very different positions before becoming what they are today. For example, known lifelong racist from my state Strom Thurmond was a Democrat before 1964 because of what the Democratic Party stood for at that time. He even ran for president as a Dixiecrat in 1948 and received 39 electoral college votes from the South because of the racist ideologies he ran on. After 1964, Thurmond joined the Republican Party where he remained until he died because he felt the Republican Party better reflected the way he felt on many issues, including race. I am from the state Senator Thurmond is from, I have lived here my whole life, and everyone here knows his record and what he fought for so there's no way this can be twisted to fit any other narrative. The man was a lifelong racist and he switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party because of the complex realignments, not because he changed. There's only one senator who remained in the Democratic Party through the realignments and that's West Virginia's senator Robert Byrd, and he only remained in the Democratic Party because until very recently (the Obama years) did West Virginia begin voting reliably Republican.

Lastly, black people did not join forces with the KKK. Black people joined forces with a faction of the Democratic Party that was mostly based in the northeast while JFK and later LBJ were president because that faction of the Democratic Party was trying to help them gain the right to vote in the South. You also had Republicans fighting for Civil Rights for black people in those days, such as Mitt Romney's father. Prior to that you did have a significant portion of black people support FDR; however, FDR wasn't giving support to the KKK because he wasn't a part of the southern Democrats who were giving support to the KKK. The party was nowhere near as national as it is today, so you had many different factions using the party name but supporting universally different causes for a time. This is why you don't attempt to simplify complex history, it ends up making you look incompetent.

Edit: Condoleezza Rice has often stated one of the reasons she is a Republican is because her father was denied the right to vote in the South by the Democratic Party and the Republican Party let him register and vote in elections. This is akin to this thread in that it ignores the fact that the parties went through major changes and realignments over the past seventy or more years. Today, it is the Republican Party that has passed laws proven---and struck down---by courts that are attempting to disenfranchise black and brown voters; something the Democratic Party did prior to the party realignments.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 09:54:06 am »

Wow this is really a bunch of "convincing talk," (explaining) which in determining when someone isn't being honest, goes on forever trying to "convince you that they're a good person," rather than just answering the simple matter at hand with simple deniability. I don't care about the fact that you think one politician did this and another did that, and therefore the whole mass of Republicans are racist. Hillary is still a racist, she came from Arkansas and praised Margaret Sanger, who said black people are weeds who need to be exterminated, and Trump is from NYC, where you don't get far by being a bigot. You can't say the whole Republican Establishment is racist because one Senator switched. That's a bunch of hullabaloo. The Democrats are still racist to this day, promising "free stuff," just like FDR did in the 30s to win the black vote. You say it had to do with something else, as in "philosophical reasons," but give ZERO examples, and therefore, I conclude what you are saying to be total nonsense. Thanks for trying!
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 11:41:34 am »

Wow this is really a bunch of "convincing talk," (explaining) which in determining when someone isn't being honest, goes on forever trying to "convince you that they're a good person," rather than just answering the simple matter at hand with simple deniability. I don't care about the fact that you think one politician did this and another did that, and therefore the whole mass of Republicans are racist. Hillary is still a racist, she came from Arkansas and praised Margaret Sanger, who said black people are weeds who need to be exterminated, and Trump is from NYC, where you don't get far by being a bigot. You can't say the whole Republican Establishment is racist because one Senator switched. That's a bunch of hullabaloo. The Democrats are still racist to this day, promising "free stuff," just like FDR did in the 30s to win the black vote. You say it had to do with something else, as in "philosophical reasons," but give ZERO examples, and therefore, I conclude what you are saying to be total nonsense. Thanks for trying!
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I didn't deny it because I agree 100% with you that the Democratic Party was the party of the KKK historically. Some could and have argued that the Democratic Party indeed did create the KKK. I myself believe the Democratic Party created the KKK; hence, why I agree with you on that point. It is well documented that the Democrats worked with the KKK to disenfranchise black people and even killed black people and white people who tried to help black people. Where in my previous statement did I deny that fact? I literally began my post with "It is a well known fact that the Democratic Party created and supported the KKK for a time. No one has ever disputed that."

My statements weren't meant to be "convincing," I was simply stating the complex history behind the party realignments as they have been studied for decades by political and non-political scholars from many different angles. You cannot simplify something this complex effectively, but here are well-known facts that I'm sure you could easily check since there's so much info on Google about them (if you didn't learn them in school):

(1) Democrats did give the KKK a platform and are arguably the creators of the KKK.
(2) The KKK participated in voter suppression for a very long time with the help of the Democratic Party.
(3) Many, if not all, Southern segregationists were Democrats up until the Democratic Party began changing. After 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed, followed by the Voting Rights Act in 1965, most of those Southern segregationists abandoned the party. (I used Strom Thurmond as an example because he led the fillibuster against the Civil Rights Act that failed.)
(4) Following Nixon's infamous "Southern Strategy," all of those segregationists and racists who hadn't joined the Republican Party the way Strom Thurmond and others had done prior to the 1970s, joined the Republican Party. Robert Byrd remained in the Democratic Party due to West Virginia continuing to vote Democrat (they've always had a low population of people of color); therefore, he couldn't switch parties without risking the loss of his senate seat. He later claimed he'd "changed" his perception on people of color but who knows, we can't read minds  Grin
(5) The Republican Party has constantly passed bills that courts have determined were crafted to disenfranchise black and brown people, and many of those bills were struck down after they were turned into laws. Republicans challenged the historic Voting Rights Act and were successful in dismantling one of its most effective provisions. The Democrats didn't do that, did they? Who is currently participating in voter suppression?
(6) David Duke was (maybe still is) a KKK member and he ran for office multiple times, including in the 2016 election, as a Republican, not a Democrat. I'm sure you can find current KKK members who are Democrats but you have to first find out (a) where that person lives because studies have shown local demographics play a huge role in whether white people prefer Democratic policies more than Republican policies and (b) whether that person realizes the Democratic Party of today is not the same Democratic Party that helped the KKK all those years ago.

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To say the Democratic and Republican Parties are the same now as they were prior to realignments is wholly ignorant to the very detailed history. Are you saying that President Lincoln, a Republican who represented the Union during the Civil War, was for the Confederacy? Because the Republican Party of today is the party that fights for the Confederate battle flag to be displayed on public statehouse grounds and want to preserve all of the Confederate monuments throughout the South. It was Jefferson Davis and the Democrats who represented the Confederacy, right? So if the parties never changed, why on earth is it the Republican Party fighting to preserve the battle flag of the Confederacy and not the Democrats who represented the Confederacy during the Civil War? Are you arguing that Abraham Lincoln was instead a Democrat since the Democrats are currently trying to remove the battle flag from statehouse grounds and other public property? You cannot pretend that the party realignments did not happen because they actually did happen. What you are arguing counters the documented history of our country.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 12:55:13 pm »

mhorndisk, why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 04:04:12 am »

Honestly, I'm not even American and I know that the Republicans dishonestly trot this canard out.  You're either deceptive or ignorant.  Learn some history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Republican president Lincoln freed the slaves.  But a lot has changed since then, and the racist Dixiecrats largely abandoned the Democratic party due to their opposition of civil rights legislation and joined the Republicans, starting with Strom Thurmond.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 08:58:30 am »

Honestly, I didn't read everything you all just said. I'm sorry if I misconstrued anything any of you said... The point is that the KKK is responsible for the Democratic Party, and FDR campaigned to the black population promising them free stuff, just as Obama did, like Obamaphone, and Hillary praised a racist Margaret Sanger who said black people are weeds who need to be exterminated. The fact of the matter is, this Arkansas bitch named Hillary is promoting a racist and acting like it doesn't matter.

People who want to call Trump racist, when the history of the democratic party has been clear, are idiots. You might think you've not been fooled, because you think you're too smart, but pandering and promising free stuff makes this a total joke. Nothing is free. Anyone who votes democrat has a lot of looking in the mirror to do. You might think that just because black people mostly vote democrat, means that democrats aren't racist, but sorry, you got tricked.

The democratic party is way more racist than the Republican party ever could be. Now sure, there are racists on both sides, but the history of the democrat party is something you guys don't want to look into because it would simply go against your reality. The democrats are extraordinarily more racist, always have been. And you wanna pretend that because blacks voted for Hillary that they're not. SHE SAID THAT MARGARET SANGER WAS A GREAT PERSON. SANGER SAID BLACK PEOPLE ARE WEEDS. My God! How stupid are you? Get a life.

You wanna sit here and speak all this crap and garbage but when it comes to Hillary praising someone who said black people need to be exterminated, you support her! You're fucking dumb! You're just not smart sweety.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 09:08:15 am »

mhorndisk, why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?


Umm, are you saying that gays are only about porn?   


Speaking of spreading misinformation, weren't you the one throwing around the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy?   
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 09:20:51 am »

mhorndisk, why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?


Umm, are you saying that gays are only about porn?   


Speaking of spreading misinformation, weren't you the one throwing around the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy?   


There you go again evading Hillary PRAISING MARGERT SANGER, who said Black people are WEEDS that need to be exterminated, and trying to point the finger at Republicans! Why can't any of you give plausible deniability and instead just go to these nonsense arguments that Republicans are racist. I don't like either party, but I'll tell you one thing: Hillary should have never done that and it shows that she either doesn't know anything, or is knowingly an idiot. You guys wanna talk all day about things that evade the issue. That's a prime characteristic of DISHONESTY. You CAN'T answer the point of the matter because you know very well that she made a fatal mistake and you need not just plausible deniability, but some True soul searching to figure out why you lost SO hard.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 09:30:06 am »

You guys wanna pretend that a democrat can't be racist. It's IMPOSSIBLE. Well guess what? When you praise someone who says black people are weeds that need to be exterminated, and then you hold a Haiti fund where you take 90% of the funds for administrative costs, YOU'RE A RACIST! DUH. Just because she's a woman - give me a break! This is like a Christian or Muslim cult where the Goddess is revoked because a child can't understand that his mother was a whore to create him - and wants to think of her as a virgin! Women can be profoundly evil, and great actresses. You need to stop falling for the persecuted victimhood crap.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 11:08:20 am »

Don Lemon and Simone Sanders are both Dems and race baiters.   

We'll never have racial harmony when people like them keep saying everything white is racist and everything black is innocent.

Social media is the same.  "Fuck white people" is fine, but "fuck black people" will get you insta-banned.  Not surprisingly, all the social media heads support Dems.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 11:17:42 am »

Oh look another topic on a similar thread he made earlier this month.

I guess mhorn really needs the bonus points bad to keep making these pointless threads
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2017, 06:27:54 pm »

- Americans, especially those on the left side of the political spectrum, tend to conflate social and economic egalitarianism. Therefore, anyone advocating for smaller government and individual freedom must be inherently racist.

- Democrats fear monger minorities to believe all Republicans are anti-black.

- Many Americans don't really know their own history and the connection between southern Democrats and segregation.
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 09:49:52 pm »

mhorndisk, why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?


Umm, are you saying that gays are only about porn?   


Speaking of spreading misinformation, weren't you the one throwing around the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy?   


There you go again evading Hillary PRAISING MARGERT SANGER, who said Black people are WEEDS that need to be exterminated, and trying to point the finger at Republicans! Why can't any of you give plausible deniability and instead just go to these nonsense arguments that Republicans are racist. I don't like either party, but I'll tell you one thing: Hillary should have never done that and it shows that she either doesn't know anything, or is knowingly an idiot. You guys wanna talk all day about things that evade the issue. That's a prime characteristic of DISHONESTY. You CAN'T answer the point of the matter because you know very well that she made a fatal mistake and you need not just plausible deniability, but some True soul searching to figure out why you lost SO hard.

Umm, I think you replied to the wrong person. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 04:27:00 am »

mhorndisk, why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?


Umm, are you saying that gays are only about porn?   

No one with even the slightest bit of reading comprehension would think that.
If this was a website of French Cooking for Orthodox Jews, and you were posting trump crap, I would ask you why you are posting Trump crap on a website about French Cooking for Orthodox Jews.

That does NOT mean Orthodox Jews are only concerned about French cooking- it means they are only concerned about French Cooking on THAT website.

The simple fact that your reading comprehension is that bad shows why you support Trump.

so now, I wiil ask again- and I am asking you as well.

Pay attention, and read thoroughly.

why are you here in a gay porn torrent forum posting obvious political propaganda?
DO you even LIKE gay porn?

You post things everyone knows are irrelevant, and complain when people point out that irrelevancy. Yes, in ancient days of yore the Democrats, who were southern conservatives, were linked to the KKK. Now, the southern conservatives are republican, and STILL linked to the KKK.

The political party is not the connection, but the fact of being Southern Conservatives.

But you knew this.

You know the truth, but you spread misinformation, and on a gay porn torrent website of all places.

WHY?

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Speaking of spreading misinformation, weren't you the one throwing around the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy?   

No, again, that is you and horndisk, over and over again.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 05:09:48 am »

Hi guys, just wondering, because I'm pretty sure the African Americans switched to Democrat under FDR in the 30s when he promised them all jobs, and they weren't happy with getting into bed with the KKK, but they needed JOBS. So why do African Americans still cling to the Democratic Party? I'm wondering because the liberals want to take down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and ban the rebel flag because people were racist, but isn't the Democratic Party itself founded by the KKK, or did the KKK found the Democratic Party? I find this somewhat hypocritical, but I'd just like to take a poll to see how many of you think so, or not, because I'm not biased, just want to see how you vote. Thanks!

Being African American, and Native American, I get really tired of people like you thinking that a minority group has to justify aligning themselves with the majority no matter the topic, this should somehow be held against them, especially when you don't care about the history or context to the truth of the situation.  The reality is people like you, don't care about the truth, nor do you care about the subject at hand, you simply want to complain about your own prejudice and racist views.  African American had to fight for the right to be seen as human beings,  for their rights to vote, and the freedom to choose. While the majority, heterosexual, cis, white males had this right given to them at birth. African Americans don't have to justify a godd*mn thing to YOU.

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 06:57:03 am »

Hi guys, just wondering, because I'm pretty sure the African Americans switched to Democrat under FDR in the 30s when he promised them all jobs, and they weren't happy with getting into bed with the KKK, but they needed JOBS. So why do African Americans still cling to the Democratic Party? I'm wondering because the liberals want to take down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and ban the rebel flag because people were racist, but isn't the Democratic Party itself founded by the KKK, or did the KKK found the Democratic Party? I find this somewhat hypocritical, but I'd just like to take a poll to see how many of you think so, or not, because I'm not biased, just want to see how you vote. Thanks!

Being African American, and Native American, I get really tired of people like you thinking that a minority group has to justify aligning themselves with the majority no matter the topic, this should somehow be held against them, especially when you don't care about the history or context to the truth of the situation.  The reality is people like you, don't care about the truth, nor do you care about the subject at hand, you simply want to complain about your own prejudice and racist views.  African American had to fight for the right to be seen as human beings,  for their rights to vote, and the freedom to choose. While the majority, heterosexual, cis, white males had this right given to them at birth. African Americans don't have to justify a godd*mn thing to YOU.




I didn't ask for you to justify anything and I'm not going to be shamed by you for explaining the history of the Democratic Party and their pandering to minorities, as well as their current pandering to minorities, like when Bill Clinton served black people fried chicken during Hillary's campaign, or how she told a group of black radio hosts that she carries hot sauce in her purse and they asked her if she was pandering, to which she replied, "Well... Is it working??? LOL." Nor will I be accused of being racist or allow you to point the finger at me for racists who are long dead. And again, you are refusing to answer how you can be ok with Hillary praising Margaret Sanger, who said that black people are weeds who need to be exterminated.
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