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« on: May 02, 2017, 09:25:20 pm »

Is Conservatism Growing?
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 11:33:37 pm »

No.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2017, 11:54:45 pm »

I think it fluctuates and i think that the on the internet that a lot of people are gaining voices to discuss politics

The way i see it, in politics/elections anyway, is that 20% of most countries' population are strong liberal and then 20% are strong conservative. the other 60% are varying degrees of it and are mostly centre. The 60% are usually very quiet and they are the ones that have the most power. The 40% are very strong in their beliefs and they are the most vocal. The internet arriving made both sides more visible and the 40% is all the political arguments etc you see

It becomes situational on where the 60% go - depending on the hot topic of the said election or poll - that is why it is very rare to see an election or poll be 80% to 20% etc- it is always steady at 60-40 or closer - especially when it is a "hot" topic



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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 11:56:18 pm »

Nah but with Trump in da house they're getting VERY full of themselves  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2017, 12:47:57 am »

Depends which part of the world you are referring to. If we're talking about countries like Canada, Sweden, or even the US, then no...I don't believe conservatism is "growing". However, if we're talking about countries like Saudi Arabia or Yemen, then yes...conservatism is growing or is at least incredibly high.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2017, 01:22:34 am »

Depends which part of the world you are referring to. If we're talking about countries like Canada, Sweden, or even the US, then no...I don't believe conservatism is "growing". However, if we're talking about countries like Saudi Arabia or Yemen, then yes...conservatism is growing or is at least incredibly high.
Yeah you're right, it really depends on the country we're talking about, I'm in Mexico and conservativism its growing a little but mostly cuz this is a very catholic country and the religion always want to fuck the laws up (gay marriage, adoption & abortion) but also most people its really tired of the right, all the curruption and shit and the left hasn't really have the oportunity to rule the country and also the candidate at least in my opinion doesnt seem like a good option, so there's alot of tension concerning the next election (2018)
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2017, 01:37:55 am »

I don't think it's growing, no. The influence and power of Left and Right parties simply waxes and wanes. It seems like they switch positions approximately every 10-15 years, at least in the US. This makes perfect sense when you consider that 10 years is close to the 8 year, two-term limit for the office of POTUS, and how unlikely it is for more than two Dem/Rep candidates to be elected in succession for two complete terms each. At least within the last ~50 years or so. It also goes to show that a moderate fusion of Left and Right policies is what people in the US are really looking for. They always seem to overshoot the happy medium, though.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2017, 05:12:16 am »

People in this board are talking about "reverse racism", so yes, maybe.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2017, 06:07:08 am »

I don't think looking at the people of this forum is a large enough sample, it's certainly a narrow demographic.

And I'm not convinced everyone here is really giving their opinion or just trolling. Although some of the trolls have a load of internalized self-hate it feels like some days. Happily furthering the agenda of people that would love to see you dead/imprisoned/silenced/etc. speaks to a deeper problem...but I digress.

I'm also not sure it's real conservatism or fascism/reactionary politics. When things go poorly for someone, or at least they feel like it's going poorly, they seek reasons for it. And they don't often blame their self. Since the dawn of time people have relied on placing the blame with a less popular group or at least a more comfortable target. The current remaking of racists and bigots to something more palatable called the "alt-right" is less about conservatism and more about muddying the waters of hate groups so they can more easily blend in with classic conservatism I think.

Recent events, at least in the US, has taken a group that has always been around and energized them, given them a voice and shoved them into the limelight. And since the internet has no gatekeeper, they can bang around as much as they like to make it sound like 400 when there's really 40.

The problem is it really only takes one to make things miserable for others if they're given enough power.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2017, 06:41:33 am »

Conservatism is not growing.  Longterm-wise, the U.S. is headed in a liberal direction.  Just look at the results of the 2016 Presidential election, but only take into account the votes cast by millennials (people who reached young adulthood in the early 21st century).  The final delegate count would have been Hilary: 348.  Trump: 163.  Trump would have only taken a total of 17 states.

Millennials aren't the majority yet.  But in a few decades, they will be.  In the long run, the U.S. is headed towards acceptance, tolerance, and love.  I truly believe that.  Have patience.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2017, 06:45:52 am »

People in this board are talking about "reverse racism", so yes, maybe.

There is no such thing.   Racism is racism.  

SJWs call it "institutional racism" when the police help maintain the racism.   Well, in Berkley, the police helped the blacks with their racism against whites in the "whites go around" event, where whites were forced to walk through a creek to get to class.  

Whites would not have the police helping them in a "blacks go around" event.

That is black privilege and anti white racism.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2017, 07:08:49 am »

I don't think looking at the people of this forum is a large enough sample, it's certainly a narrow demographic.

And I'm not convinced everyone here is really giving their opinion or just trolling. Although some of the trolls have a load of internalized self-hate it feels like some days. Happily furthering the agenda of people that would love to see you dead/imprisoned/silenced/etc. speaks to a deeper problem...but I digress.

I'm also not sure it's real conservatism or fascism/reactionary politics. When things go poorly for someone, or at least they feel like it's going poorly, they seek reasons for it. And they don't often blame their self. Since the dawn of time people have relied on placing the blame with a less popular group or at least a more comfortable target. The current remaking of racists and bigots to something more palatable called the "alt-right" is less about conservatism and more about muddying the waters of hate groups so they can more easily blend in with classic conservatism I think.

Recent events, at least in the US, has taken a group that has always been around and energized them, given them a voice and shoved them into the limelight. And since the internet has no gatekeeper, they can bang around as much as they like to make it sound like 400 when there's really 40.

The problem is it really only takes one to make things miserable for others if they're given enough power.

And that's the problem.  Liberals think they are so great and accepting, yet they name call their enemies.   


So far, only one liberal has condemned the violence by the left and it took ages for him to do it.  Every other liberal on here is either totally silent or justifies the violence in some lame way.


Blacks who don't live in a total state of victim-hood are demonized by blacks and SJWs.


I also see you talking about conservative loving those who would love to see us dead.   Have you looked around?   Liberals worship muslims.   In one very recent thread, a liberal was trying to tell us that there are muslim countries that treat gays better than Europe treats them.    When asked to list these countries, he ran away. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2017, 06:18:44 pm »

... I be damned, you are using republican party ideas of what conservatism is? Conservatists should be miles away from that ...

People are finally heading to secular thought, that leads to mid central politics, for someone in the states this center or mid is left, does not have to be rabid ultra 'liberal' left, however let me tell you conservatism has completely other conotations in Europe, same with being liberal, liberalism here is conotated with right thought of unregulated market and banking, conservatives can go from nature consevationism to nationalists and nationalism is know for going the hate route, so it either goes dead like older Le pen or go populist like new Le pen.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2017, 08:39:00 pm »

In the long run, the U.S. is headed towards acceptance, tolerance, and love.  I truly believe that.  Have patience.

These are not just qualities of Liberals, but also of most Conservatives.

I also think it fair to clarify that what definition one is using of conservatism is germane to the response. Conservatism in America is different from most other countries.

"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain." --Anselme Polycarpe Batbie
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2017, 05:05:22 am »


The question of true conservatism versus what has been hijacked by fringe elements like white nationalists, neo-nazis, and the alt-right is important. And trust me, the hijacking of American conservatism was swift and met with the most tepid useless resistance I can find in recent memory. This further serves to muddy the waters of what conservatism is. Has Paul Ryan outright rejected this movement in word and deed? Not really. He'll release a statement now and again when the pressure is high enough to talk about his opinion. Sarah Palin? Hell no, she practically blasted the doors open herself. McCain? Nah, hates Trump but delighted to get a Supreme Court Justice in there. I mean, win 1, lose 47, that evens out, right? Ivanka? Not hardly, cash is cash.

Most of the Republicans are delighted they are in control of all three branches of government in the US at nearly any cost. Many worked in concert after Trump's nomination to get him elected so they could clear the path for their own agenda. History isn't going to look kindly on this. And for those that have fought against the new rise of fascism (looking right at Ana Navarro) most of the others have just...looked the other way.

This complicit nature makes you feel (correctly or not) that the whole of conservatism is on board, even if behind closed doors they wring their hands in terror. Does this literally increase their numbers? Well, depends on how you view the complicit nature. If I disagree with you but I let you have your way, I can still say my ideals and nature are counter to yours but does it matter anymore?

It's a political tool to use fringe elements to your advantage. Conservatives have been faced with a progressive agenda for a long time and by embracing, or at least not rejecting, the fringe elements, they consolidate power and increase the likelihood they will get the votes they need. As it was mentioned here, ultimately more people in the US vote progressive than conservative. Even if you look at popular votes for the years of congressional voting, more people vote democrat at a national level. And that's largely because population centers tend to vote liberal, like NYC and California in recent elections. Smaller population areas in the middle tend to vote conservative. California beats the next largest, Texas, by 12 million people. Conservatives need these fringe elements and the power to draw districts to guarantee their place in government as the demographics shift (the comment about millennials is correct, although it may not mean much, as people age they tend to become less liberal and what may be today's liberal could be considered tomorrows ultra conservative. It's a moving target just like politcal party platforms).

*Coincidentally the left has a fringe element in the US cultivated by Bernie Sanders and it was not effectively harnessed for votes as the Republicans did their fringe. I personally view them as the other side of the extremist coin. Equally unrealistic and driven by emotion rather than facts, I'm hopeful the larger middle majority stays intact.

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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2017, 01:19:57 pm »

I wouldn't say conservatism is growing in the US. There is just a shift and concentration of populations and a lot of people who vote the lesser of evils that they perceived. If you look at a 3D map of the US elections most red districts nearly do not exist since the blue districts tower over them by far. Conservatives are strategically spread out and are district-ed, thus giving them more power even when there are districts with only 40 people versus those that have up a million. Also if you look at an electoral vote of millennials from this election Hillary won 43 states from millennials. Also with a more diversified population it becomes harder for republicans. All charts on who benefits groups more has always pointed to democrats. Even Caucasians overall do better under democrats financially and score higher on the human development index.

There are conservative bastions in the US of course. Every blue state in the US over the last 30-40 years has vote for a republican because they preferred the candidate whereas there are 13 red states that have only voted red because of the party. This makes it a little difficult for democrats  when your constituents aren't just regular loyal "football fans" that vote only for the team like many republican states. They actually have to appeal to their constituents. Obviously they have an easier time of course, but republicans have a chance whereas in some states democrats just can't.

Sidenote: The district of Columbia has only voted blue and by a massive margin. Usually 80%+ but its not really a state so I didn't mention it. The last election they voted for Hillary by 92%. No one really likes Trump there I guess.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2017, 06:01:26 pm »

Considering MOST Conservatives are Bible-thumping bigots that want the right to silence anyone they disagree with, I hope not.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2017, 07:51:22 pm »

Considering MOST Conservatives are Bible-thumping bigots that want the right to silence anyone they disagree with, I hope not.

Funny. It seems like the exact opposite is what is actually true. Just look at how the Left treats conservatives on college campuses-- riots and shouting over anyone that would DARE to speak a point of view that is right of center.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2017, 09:27:14 pm »

That happened in recent history and once. The liberals never hung black people on trees out to dry. They never lynched. Most are posed groups like KKK and The West Borough Baptist Church. Yeah Neo liberal groups like black lives Matter can be quite fucking retarded some times, but nothing ever to the magnitude that conservatives have had.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2017, 09:52:39 pm »

Conservatism is not growing.  Longterm-wise, the U.S. is headed in a liberal direction.  Just look at the results of the 2016 Presidential election, but only take into account the votes cast by millennials (people who reached young adulthood in the early 21st century).  The final delegate count would have been Hilary: 348.  Trump: 163.  Trump would have only taken a total of 17 states.

Millennials aren't the majority yet.  But in a few decades, they will be.  In the long run, the U.S. is headed towards acceptance, tolerance, and love.  I truly believe that.  Have patience.

I can agree except where you equate a vote for Hillary with love...Hillary is a shill and will screw over whoever she has to to hold onto power.
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