Why is Communism not as hated as Nazism?
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« on: May 03, 2017, 07:51:07 am »

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I don't come here for the politics anymore, so I won't be responding, just making a post and don't care if you like it or not. Just wanted to point this out, that Communism has killed a hundred times more than Nazism ever could, and young people don't know, because Communism uses pretty words that sound good like "equality..." Equally fucked more like it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2017, 08:25:44 am »

Because mentally ill professors in western universities are brainwashing students to think Socialism and Communism is good thing. When evil Fidel Castro died, famous western liberals cried and praised him. Socialism is very sick ideology, it is politics of jealousy and greed. What exactly is your fair share of what somebody else has earned? Western people suffered so much in education system now, they do not even know history, or how the "Democrat Socialist" in Russia became Communist party of Soviet Union and killed millions of its own people. The sick thing about Socialism is that it appeals to peoples emotions "we must help the poor", "we must become equality", but in practice it has only succeeded in diminishing the middle class, expanding lower class, and creating permanent political elite that the slave class is dependent on.

Also because western people are fed this lies that Nordic model is socialism/Democratic socialism when it is not. It is welfare capitalism.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2017, 09:08:20 am »

I hate socialists but please dont mix socialism with communism .  our president is a socialist ( Hollande ) and that has absolutely nothing to do with communism.
also remember the nazi is a the national socialist party..
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2017, 09:23:44 am »

I know I said I wouldn't respond but I meant to add one more thing: It doesn't matter if your idea of socialism is communist (Soviet) or nationalist (German- equality through fraternity), when it comes down to it, the people at the top will always control the means of distribution under a socialist system, not just production. I have people all the time tell me that in Germany the state didn't or did control the means of production and in the Soviet they did or didn't. They did in both cases, control the means of production AND distribution, and in America today, you have Obamacare as an identical system of socialism, where the government gets to decide who gets what. But it comes down to who gets to distribute the wealth, and they always keep the lion's share for themselves while outwardly professing equality.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2017, 09:25:20 am »

And Bernie Sanders wants your vote because he's going to make dudes playing video games make as much money as heart surgeons!!! LOL Delusional!
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2017, 09:44:07 am »

The standard answer you'll get from a Communist is that "true Communism" has never been realized, and that true Communism is completely contrary to National Socialism. All of this is technically correct. What they fail to acknowledge is that every attempt at a large-scale Communist utopia faltered and devolved into authoritarian State Capitalism. People who still support Communism (or NatSoc, for that matter) are either naive enough or simply arrogant/egomaniacal enough to think they'll be able to make it work "this time".

Any honest, unabashed Communist will tell you that a Communist revolution will necessarily require violence to wrench the means of production away from greedy private owners (the failings of Capitalism is a whole other can of worms I'm not going to open here). A lot of them will tell you so quite gleefully, in fact. Because the ends justify the means for these people. They make exceptions for their own authoritarian violence, just like Nazis. And therein lies the rub!

The major difference is that vanguard Communists have different motives from Nazis. Communists believe they will somehow achieve a collectivist, stateless, moneyless society after all the evil Capitalists standing in the way of progress are killed off or converted. Nazis worship the authoritarian state by choice (an all-powerful state by and for an exclusive Übermensch is the end goal, after all). People living with the failure of Communism (again, State Capitalism) worship the state by coercion. Under State Cap., everyone's equal. The state doesn't care about your race or gender, just so long as you can plow a field.

In an nutshell: The Communist ideal is more inclusive, which gives it broader appeal. National Socialism is overtly exclusive, which makes its appeal more limited. They're both crap.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2017, 10:52:17 am »

Marxism (aka "true communism") can never, ever exist as long as humans exist.    There will always be the elite and the poor.   

Every country has at least partial socialism, in that everyone is forced to pay into the system for services and welfare they may never use or benefit from.   


Since the 1960s, college kids have been very far left without thinking about the reality of the situation or the cost of their utopia.   Kids who leave high school and go straight to work are realistic about how things work. 


Venezuela style socialism killed that country.   Now everyone is poor, except of the political elite of the various parties.   Even the state oil company can't keep up with the financial demands of their welfare state. 

The Scottish National Party panders to the "victim-hood" of Scotland at the hands of the UK.  They also promise that in an independent Scotland, we would live in an Utopian welfare state.     Now that the Scottish government has control of welfare, it's still not fixing all "the evils imposed on us by Westminster".   Funny, that, but not surprising in the least.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2017, 01:04:31 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGkKKAogDs


I don't come here for the politics anymore, so I won't be responding, just making a post and don't care if you like it or not. Just wanted to point this out, that Communism has killed a hundred times more than Nazism ever could, and young people don't know, because Communism uses pretty words that sound good like "equality..." Equally fucked more like it.

I think all forms of politics are bad and have killed many people.
I am not in favor of Communism nor Nazism, but our own Democracy has killed tens of thousands for things that we ,as the people, still are sure of.
Look to what are leaders tell us, it's your choice, you have the right to vote, your vote matters; yet the majority of our leader do as they want with no concern for us, the people.
How many more young men are going to die so we can "make sure that Democracy is given to all"
It's another side of the same coin.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2017, 05:58:32 pm »

Well it was not communist ideals that lead 'communist leaders' to kill... politics is study of forms of government and those need to change to adapt to some situations, while hopefully staying in a base of respecting human rights... capitalism killed just as many people lets not pretend  it's a glorious clean system... just look at what the USA does every time it has a growing inner conflict. Pretending that democracy even exists is funny and what is even more funny is the demonization of socialism, when it is very clear that the conflict in Venezuela is because of a corrupt dictatorship which had never the people in mind... so if you actually looked to several failing systems, you might find the issue is the corruption it enables... I remind you that state regulated capitalism with social programs is the recipe that tends to work well the longest with better benefits.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 01:33:49 pm »

Historically, the Nazi party wanted to eradicate large swaths of people whereas communism wanted to eradicate an identity.

I would claim socialism is akin to the  two above even if there are some derivative elements. It's like hating all Jews just because "they killed jesus". We all enjoy socialist norms in the US. Public access roads, public access anything, public schools, fire department, the police, etc. We adopt that which works and it doesn't have to be black and white as some people will claim. Universal healthcare has proven to be a tremendous positive in Europe and western powers. The US score the lowest on the Human Development Index than our peers. Blue states are at the top of the HDI of course. Blue states have more money and focus outward than inward.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2017, 04:17:13 pm »

If you had asked that question between 1920 and 1986-ish, you would have been wondering why Nazism (read as: fascism) isn't hated as much as Communism. I would say that Communism isn't as hated  - nowadays - because it doesn't appear to be an immediate threat to us, unlike, say a few decades ago.

Especially back in the 1930s it looked to the people of the time as though capitalism was mortally wounded and that revolution was gonna happen at any moment. Nowadays we know that Communism, in the varied forms tried so far, isn't viable in the long term. Most of our communist former enemies have now abandoned communism, even China.

On the other hand there does seem to be a rising tide of right-wing authoritarianism around the world. So I think people perceive this as an immediate threat to themselves and focus on it.

Times change and - who knows? - maybe in 20 - 30 years Communism will be the bugaboo once again. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2017, 05:40:41 pm »

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On the other hand there does seem to be a rising tide of right-wing authoritarianism around the world. 

What are you talking about?   What "right-wing authoritarianism" is rising, outside of ISIS type crap? 

Let me guess, you are referring to Brexit and the like. 

Brexit is about taking back control of your country instead of having some foreign cunts running it.   

If you want to talk about AUTHORITARIANISM, then lets talk about how the left refuses to allow topics to be discussed.   Let's talk about how the left will set a building on fire, with people in it, to prevent speech they don't like.   Let's talk about how despite the will of the people, liberal politicians refuse to allow votes on topics because they were afraid they would lose.  Despite always being able to find money to help other countries, you can't/won't help your own people instead. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2017, 06:22:36 pm »

I think a better comparison would be why is Stalin not as hated as Hitler. 

Hitler had at least a few good qualities.. such as being a vegetarian, non-drinker, non-smoker, liked children and animals, etc.
I can't think of a single good thing to say about Stalin. 

Libtards can't seem to get it through their skulls that Russia is no longer communist. 

As for who is the worst..  one candidate for that title is Hillary Clinton.   There are roughly a million perfectly healthy babies aborted in the USA every year. 

My advice is to either masturbate or go gay.   Certainly a breeder having an abortion is far worse than snuggling up with a member of the same sex. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2017, 12:34:33 am »

If you mean fascist dictatorships and authoritarian capitalist states disguised as communism, you have the tankies to thankie for these not being condemned on sight amongst communists. If you mean Marxism in general, then it's because it is in fact a good thing in principle and the polar opposite of nazism.

The problem isn't in the theory, it's in the application: state communism invariably leads to dictatorships and crimes against humanity, even if the intentions are to "protect the communist state" and keep it from falling into capitalism again. That's not an excuse, however, which is the point of contention between tankies and other communists, as in, that the end does not justify the means.

In the end, the only kind of communism that can hopefully work without becoming a dictatorship is the anarchist, communitarian type. Either that, or electing a communist party and keeping the same political and economic system, but then that won't be communism, it'll be leftism, socialist democracy, what-have-you, and any deep social and economic changes that try to challenge or dismantle capitalism will be resisted by banks, corporations, and political institutions that would never allow such measures and have the power and capital to prevent them.
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 01:00:44 am »

Because some people associate communism with Socialism or Marxism, and a lot of people do not remember world history of Communist dictators like Stalin, Lenin, etc. and how many people they killed.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 11:25:34 am »

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On the other hand there does seem to be a rising tide of right-wing authoritarianism around the world. 

What are you talking about?   What "right-wing authoritarianism" is rising, outside of ISIS type crap? 

Let me guess, you are referring to Brexit and the like. 



Some people think about Brexit in those terms. I wasn't particularly. But if you look at a lot of places around the world there are plenty of movements/political parties that are on the right and authoritarian in flavor, sometimes religion-based, but sometimes not.  Sometimes they use the "traditional" language of the Right, sometimes not, but the actions all lead the same way. A few examples: Turkey, Poland, Egypt, le Pen in France, Russia, Trump in the US, Turnbull in Australia, the military coup in Thailand a coupla years ago, Yameen in Maldives, Hungary, Modi in India, the ADF in Germany, the increasing grips on power in the various "Stans," etc. And of course all the ISIL-related crap going down in the Middle East like you mention, if you consider religious fanaticism a form of right-wing authoritarianism - personally I do.

The original question was "why is communism not as hated as Nazism." I took "Nazism" to mean fascism and/or right-wing authoritarianism in general (Nazism these days is used as a code word in this sense). I'm not going to argue whether literal fascism is actually on the rise or not; the original question was about perceptions ("not as hated"). I think it's safe to say that if you were to ask the average person, particularly in the West, if they were more worried about a communist takeover of their country or a right-wing take over, I think that right now, at this point in history, more people would be worried about the Right than the Left. The general perception seems to be that the Right is currently ascendant whereas the Left seems to be dying out (sometimes painfully, like in Venezuela and, hopefully, N. Korea).

I don't feel like this response, or my original input, is attacking anyone, or judging. So please, calm down; I was just trying to be part of a conversation by giving thoughts about historical context.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 02:39:01 pm »

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I don't feel like this response, or my original input, is attacking anyone, or judging. So please, calm down; I was just trying to be part of a conversation by giving thoughts about historical context.

Clearly you read more into my post than was my intent.
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