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« on: May 14, 2017, 07:35:38 am »

Attached is the picture of Elliot Cope that made her, er him, er um her, er um him internationally famous last year.

Elliot Cope is a high school student who claimed that she was a f2m trans person.    But that's not were it ended, though.  Since she never presented as a boy and refused to participate in PE activities she had to add that she was a trans boy who wanted to be a girl.   

Let's recap that bit.   She's a girl who wants to be a boy who wants to be a girl. 

Because she was trans, she couldn't use the girls' bathroom.  She was give the keycard to the staff bathrooms, as was the real trans girl.  She refused and demanded that she had to use the boys' bathroom.  She was told NO, but she did it anyway.  This lead to the photo being taken and the rest is history.

Her antics has caused real issues for the real trans girl at the school.   


My question to the SJWs here; How can you support this kind of shit, especially when it harms a real trans girl?! 

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 09:07:03 pm »

LOL, the liberals refuse to talk about this, but are willing to down vote me.   

Get some balls and defend you side on this issue.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 09:23:19 pm »

>Because she was trans, she couldn't use the girls' bathroom.  She was give the keycard to the staff bathrooms, as was the real trans girl.  She refused and demanded that she had to use the boys' bathroom.  She was told NO, but she did it anyway.  This lead to the photo being taken and the rest is history.

Do you have a source for that? All I'm seeing is this:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4412/girl-uses-boys-bathroom-bad-things-happen-next-amanda-prestigiacomo

>How can you support this kind of shit, especially when it harms a real trans girl?! 

Nobody supports dumb students - or at least if they don't know what you are claiming this kid caused.

This is, what, one in hundreds of thousands of young trans people around America? Is it supposed to change anything? What about all the the trans people that have been using their preferred toilet for years now before Republicans started trying to stop it?
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 03:56:02 am »

I'm not an SJW. I'm not conservative. I'm nothing. I'm me with my own opinions as a gay black man who is hated in this world.

Who am I to say that person is wrong.

My brain is wired to like dick instead of vagina.

So who am I to judge someone who's brain is wired to hate their genitalia and gender roles and feels they are the wrong gender?

But you should be entitled to your opinion. People down voting is stupid.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 04:17:50 am »

[citation needed]
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 04:37:52 am »

Elliot Cope is a high school student who claimed that she was a f2m trans person.    But that's not were it ended, though.  Since she never presented as a boy and refused to participate in PE activities she had to add that she was a trans boy who wanted to be a girl.  

Let's recap that bit.   She's a girl who wants to be a boy who wants to be a girl.  

I found a video of Elliot's dad.. or mom...

! No longer available  
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 12:07:43 pm »

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>Because she was trans, she couldn't use the girls' bathroom.  She was give the keycard to the staff bathrooms, as was the real trans girl.  She refused and demanded that she had to use the boys' bathroom.  She was told NO, but she did it anyway.  This lead to the photo being taken and the rest is history.

Do you have a source for that? All I'm seeing is this:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4412/girl-uses-boys-bathroom-bad-things-happen-next-amanda-prestigiacomo 

SHE couldn't use the girls' bathroom, as in she refused to use it because she is "trans".  The school gave her a keycard to use the staff bathroom, like they did with the actual trans m2f student.   She would only accept using the boys' bothroom, which is why people know who she is.

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This is, what, one in hundreds of thousands of young trans people around America? Is it supposed to change anything? What about all the the trans people that have been using their preferred toilet for years now before Republicans started trying to stop it? 

If you noticed, I am only slagging off this attention seeking "gender trender".   I have no issues with real trans people.    I truly respect people like Skylar and Blair White for making their transition and the issues they face public.   
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2017, 12:12:08 pm »

[citation needed]

Did you even try to google this?   Clearly others googled it and found a link. 
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 12:19:01 am »



If you noticed, I am only slagging off this attention seeking "gender trender".   I have no issues with real trans people.    I truly respect people like Skylar and Blair White for making their transition and the issues they face public.   
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What was the point of this post then? Why was one trans person 'real' and the other presumably wasn't?
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 10:21:02 am »

Look at that picture.   She presents as a girl, not a boy. 

Let's recap, she is a girl, who claims to be trans boy, who identifies as a girl. 

That is her mental gymnastics so she can keep being a girly girl and still seek attention.


Blaire White is a trans female.  She is not a trans female who identifies as being a boy.  Likewise, but the opposite, for Skylar. 


Since you're butt hurt that I mentioned only 1 freak, are you demanding that I make a thread for the various attention whores who are playing at being trans? 
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 06:45:36 pm »


I found a video of Elliot's dad.. or mom...

! Click This Link   

I never understood why gay people get lumped together with lesbians, trans, etc.  Why would a gay person want to be associated with lesbians.. or trans?   
There are so many variations which are quite distinct even amongst "trans"
1.  men in drag as a fetish (who ironically usually identify as straight)
2.  drag queens (such as DIVINE aka Harris Glenn Milstead) who mainly only do drag in performances
3.  guys who have breast implants and perhaps take hormones
4.  guys who have multiple surgeries - sometimes involving having their penis made into a vagina (whom are typically crazy)
5.  guys born with both a biological penis and vagina
6.  Justin Bieber
7.  guys born with a deformed penis that is surgically transformed into a vagina as a baby
and other variations - all with quite different and distinct mindsets.

It's interesting that DIVINE (Milstead) desperately wanted to get acting MALE acting roles and did a few times.  In fact, the day he died, he did not show up on the set of the very popular TV show "Married With Children".  Milstead was to Peg Bundy's uncle Otto on "Married With Children".  Milstead considered himself to be a gay male.   

There are many other affectations which have no particular significance, many of which I don't fully understand.
1.  Earrings (perhaps signifying that they are promiscuous?)
2.  Smoking (oral fixation?)
3.  Facial hair (perhaps hiding their gayness?)
4.  Thumb rings (a mystery to me)
5.  Other random jewelry
6.  Various jelly or beaded bracelets of various colors
7.  Handkerchiefs (this one involved dozens of colors, and designs, and whether they were in the left or right back pocket)

The point I'm getting at is that society likes to stereotype people and make them into an "ISM" which is no different than another form of bias.   


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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 09:08:40 am »

Look at that picture.   She presents as a girl, not a boy. 

Let's recap, she is a girl, who claims to be trans boy, who identifies as a girl. 

That is her mental gymnastics so she can keep being a girly girl and still seek attention.


Blaire White is a trans female.  She is not a trans female who identifies as being a boy.  Likewise, but the opposite, for Skylar. 


Since you're butt hurt that I mentioned only 1 freak, are you demanding that I make a thread for the various attention whores who are playing at being trans? 

How does that picture make it true that she identifies as female and not male?
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 11:17:16 am »

LOL,  the mental gymnastic needed to even ask that question.   

Watch the various interviews, she's not masculine in the slightest and her clothes are also feminine. 

Why would an openly trans boy wear girls' clothes on a daily basis?!   



You're right.  Maybe she's a trans boy cross dresser.   

OR, maybe she's the girly girl she always presents as, and not actually trans anything. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 04:54:52 pm »

Not specifically pertaining to this topic, but definitely related...

"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188

 
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2017, 04:15:49 am »

Not specifically pertaining to this topic, but definitely related...

"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188

 

Well you can pretty much forget about this.

This is not gonna happen, as clearly this forum is not accepting of trans people.

Which is why we as gay men are never gonna improve by the way.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 07:02:04 am »

I haven't seen anyone be anti trans people. 

What I have seen is people be anti "look at me, I'm pretending to be trans" people.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2017, 03:49:42 am »


"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188

 

Well you can pretty much forget about this.

This is not gonna happen, as clearly this forum is not accepting of trans people.

Which is why we as gay men are never gonna improve by the way.

Well, Domosuke, regardless...one’s personal “feeling” towards transgender people has no bearing on what really needs to be resolved--it shouldn't anyway. Same with the comments and results at my forum post and poll requesting/suggesting the category rename--opinions specific to my choice.

None of that should matter.

Renaming the particular category is something the site should be addressing anyway--“Shemale”--a term deemed no longer fitting.

“Defamatory: "tranny," "she-male," "he/she," "it," "shim"
These words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.” - GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender - http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

Consider these two current category names as examples--“Black” and “Asian”--I’m pretty sure “Negro” and “Oriental” wouldn’t go over too well.

So, whether you like my suggestion or have one of your own--Vote for Change!

"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188


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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2017, 03:12:11 am »


"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188

 

Well you can pretty much forget about this.

This is not gonna happen, as clearly this forum is not accepting of trans people.

Which is why we as gay men are never gonna improve by the way.

Well, Domosuke, regardless...one’s personal “feeling” towards transgender people has no bearing on what really needs to be resolved--it shouldn't anyway. Same with the comments and results at my forum post and poll requesting/suggesting the category rename--opinions specific to my choice.

None of that should matter.

Renaming the particular category is something the site should be addressing anyway--“Shemale”--a term deemed no longer fitting.

“Defamatory: "tranny," "she-male," "he/she," "it," "shim"
These words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.” - GLAAD Media Reference Guide - Transgender - http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

Consider these two current category names as examples--“Black” and “Asian”--I’m pretty sure “Negro” and “Oriental” wouldn’t go over too well.

So, whether you like my suggestion or have one of your own--Vote for Change!

"Poll: Rename Category - “Shemale” to Transgender" - https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=48999.msg265188#msg265188




I was one of the main supporters on that thread to get the "Shemale" category changed. I voted to change the name.

You and I both were shunned to kingdom come for that.

The thread then went cold sadly, and it's assumed for the most part the operations of this forum have no interest to change it at this time, and it's sad, but what can you do?
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2017, 06:38:33 am »

I also agreed with a name change. 

However, "shemale" has long been a specific type of porn so I can see why some people might be against a change. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2017, 07:04:18 am »

LOL,  the mental gymnastic needed to even ask that question.   

Watch the various interviews, she's not masculine in the slightest and her clothes are also feminine. 

Why would an openly trans boy wear girls' clothes on a daily basis?!   



You're right.  Maybe she's a trans boy cross dresser.   

OR, maybe she's the girly girl she always presents as, and not actually trans anything. 

A couple of questions for you:
Why do you care?
What does it matter?
What does this teen's gender identity materially impact in anyone's day to day life?
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