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« on: May 15, 2017, 12:50:16 pm »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39705424

Feminists are gonna have a hard decision to make here.  Either they admit that people are falsely accused of rape or they brag about this story of a woman who was just as good, if not better, as the men she worked with. 
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 01:53:29 pm »

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A local woman had reported that she'd been raped by some of the miners and Pili was arrested as a suspect.
"When the police came the men who did the rape said, 'This is the man who did it,' and I was taken to the police station," Pili says.

So the local woman goes to the police, telling them she was raped. The police go to the mine and ask around. The miners who actually did rape her lie and tell the police that Pili was the one who raped her and then the police arrest Pili based on those miners.

I'm reasonably certain feminists both believe the police are not great at handling rape cases, and that rapists will lie to get out of trouble.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 02:05:04 pm »

Interesting story- it's actually pretty inspirational considering what she was able to accomplish.

Overall, no conflict here, though. It's undeniable that she was falsely accused of rape because the men were trying to frame her. There's no going around that fact- just as it's undeniable she proved that even though she was a woman, she was just as capable as the men of doing the job and she was successful at it.

It would be impossible for Feminists or anyone actually, to deny that there was a false accusation of rape.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 05:55:08 pm »

So, if this had actually been a man, he would have been wrongly convicted.    I guess that's keeping within the liberal mindset of acceptability.

Maybe all the liberals here should get together and chip in to repay the UVA fraternity the $15,000 to repair their frat house after they were falsely accused and your fellow liberals wrecked their house.   
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 07:51:30 pm »

I agree it's very troubling that this could have ended in a far greater tragedy if she had been a man. But looking at the facts- it wasn't the woman's fault but rather the guilty miners who tried to confuse the issue and deflect suspicion by accusing the wrong person. And it doesn't necessarily mean that it would automatically result in conviction. There is still due process and a proper investigation to find out the truth of who is really guilty.

I would think that theoretically the police would have had to do more digging and there is indeed the very real threat that the wrong person could've been arrested and convicted. Which is why I agree that there should be just as strict requirements in place to prove rape as with any other crime where it becomes the word of one person or group against another. That's where other physical evidence comes in.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 12:20:59 am »

Are getting off on being this angry about strawmen?
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 03:22:44 am »

I agree it's very troubling that this could have ended in a far greater tragedy if she had been a man. But looking at the facts- it wasn't the woman's fault but rather the guilty miners who tried to confuse the issue and deflect suspicion by accusing the wrong person. And it doesn't necessarily mean that it would automatically result in conviction. There is still due process and a proper investigation to find out the truth of who is really guilty.

I would think that theoretically the police would have had to do more digging and there is indeed the very real threat that the wrong person could've been arrested and convicted. Which is why I agree that there should be just as strict requirements in place to prove rape as with any other crime where it becomes the word of one person or group against another. That's where other physical evidence comes in.

Physical evidence doesn't really PROVE anything.  For instance, if a man chats up a woman, buys her dinner and drinks, and they wind up having consensual sex.. one would assume that is not rape.  However, when that man isn't wanting to continue the relationship, and doesn't return calls, call blocks, dumps her.. THEN the woman gets the idea that all the man was after was sex, and that she was raped.  That might very well be true...  but is that really a rape?  It happens ALL THE TIME.   Straight guys are notorious for pursuing one-night-stands.   They get their rocks off, and then it's slam, bam, thank you ma'am.  It's not nice, but is that rape?
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 10:13:44 am »

Are getting off on being this angry about strawmen?

The point is, the feminist narrative says this kind of thing is extremely rare.   

You'll find many feminists that say that any man accused of rape should be thrown in prison without a trial, because as they claim, the rates of being falsely accused it extremely low. 

Rebeca Watson says it's as high as 8% (still lower than other claims, but extremely high compared to other feminists), but that it's still acceptable just to throw them in jail without a trial.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 02:06:51 pm »


The point is, the feminist narrative says this kind of thing is extremely rare.   

You'll find many feminists that say that any man accused of rape should be thrown in prison without a trial, because as they claim, the rates of being falsely accused it extremely low. 

Rebeca Watson says it's as high as 8% (still lower than other claims, but extremely high compared to other feminists), but that it's still acceptable just to throw them in jail without a trial.

I've encountered the extreme kind of feminist argument that you're talking about- and I've argued with them about it as well. Just because there is "very low" chance that the man hasn't committed the rape, and just because it's so hard for women to face the stigma that comes with reporting rape does NOT mean we should lower the normal standards of criminal justice and the presumption of innocence.

I don't know any country with a justice system that would agree to locking up the rapist just on the say-so of the victim. There still needs to be an investigation and proof that the rape actually occurred. The accused is still innocent until proven guilty. That should not change at all.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 02:14:20 pm »

The point is, the feminist narrative says this kind of thing is extremely rare.

...No, it actually says the exact opposite. The feminist narrative pretty blatantly states that a rapist will lie in order to get out of trouble, which is exactly what happened in this case.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 02:47:16 pm »

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...No, it actually says the exact opposite. The feminist narrative pretty blatantly states that a rapist will lie in order to get out of trouble, which is exactly what happened in this case.

Of course criminals will lie.  That is not in dispute. 


I was talking about an innocent man being arrested.   


 
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 05:08:39 pm »

Of course criminals will lie.  That is not in dispute. 


I was talking about an innocent man being arrested.

A person being arrested because rapists lied about that individual. If you acknowledge criminals lie, then you've already acknowledged your entire point is baseless.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 08:24:45 am »

NOPE. 

Feminists say we shouldn't have trials or investigations.   


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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 09:31:51 pm »

NOPE. 

Feminists say we shouldn't have trials or investigations.

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(I'm guessing this is going to go to an anonymous tumblr post)
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 02:29:10 am »

Feminists are gonna have a hard decision to make here.  Either they admit that people are falsely accused of rape or they brag about this story of a woman who was just as good, if not better, as the men she worked with. 

The story says that the men who did the rape were the ones who accused her, not the person who got raped.

You should not be assuming that a feminist will have to abide by the two options you state here. They could also use this as a way to enlighten people to the fact that not all rape victims are women and not all rapists are men. They could remind people that in a male dominated society, it is usually the men who's word is trusted first and women second. Or to remind people that it's not really okay to blame the victim of a crime. Or even praise law enforcement for taking her rape seriously enough to actually do something about it and even discovering that this lady was falsely accused and continue the investigation.

Also, you cannot hold an entire demographic of people responsible for the actions of an individual person who may not even be a member of that demographic. Statements like this are pretty much the same thing as saying that a straight white male who molested a little girl can be blamed on the entire LGBT community because 'the gays' are child molesters. The raped and the accused may not even be feminists. And I think It's safe to assume that the real rapist(s) is/are definitely not feminist(s).
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2017, 06:25:03 am »

NOPE. 

Feminists say we shouldn't have trials or investigations.

[CITATION NEEDED]

(I'm guessing this is going to go to an anonymous tumblr post)

Actually, it goes much further than that.   It's pretty much the same situation we are seeing on college campuses, thanks to the Obama administration sending the "Dear Colleges" letter.

Rebecca Watson says that false rape claims are 8% (compared to most feminists who say 2%), but she goes on to justify sending these innocent men to prison without a trial so real rape victims don't have to go through a trial.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2017, 06:34:46 am »

Feminists are gonna have a hard decision to make here.  Either they admit that people are falsely accused of rape or they brag about this story of a woman who was just as good, if not better, as the men she worked with. 

The story says that the men who did the rape were the ones who accused her, not the person who got raped.

You should not be assuming that a feminist will have to abide by the two options you state here. They could also use this as a way to enlighten people to the fact that not all rape victims are women and not all rapists are men. They could remind people that in a male dominated society, it is usually the men who's word is trusted first and women second. Or to remind people that it's not really okay to blame the victim of a crime. Or even praise law enforcement for taking her rape seriously enough to actually do something about it and even discovering that this lady was falsely accused and continue the investigation.

Also, you cannot hold an entire demographic of people responsible for the actions of an individual person who may not even be a member of that demographic. Statements like this are pretty much the same thing as saying that a straight white male who molested a little girl can be blamed on the entire LGBT community because 'the gays' are child molesters. The raped and the accused may not even be feminists. And I think It's safe to assume that the real rapist(s) is/are definitely not feminist(s).

We can thank the feminist RAPE IS RAPE campaign for getting the FBI to record/track male on male rape.    HOWEVER, we can also blame them for for the fact that under federal law, women can't rape men.    Under RAPE IS RAPE, women can only rape other women, but men can rape anyone.   
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2017, 07:06:32 am »

NOPE. 

Feminists say we shouldn't have trials or investigations.

[CITATION NEEDED]

(I'm guessing this is going to go to an anonymous tumblr post)

Actually, it goes much further than that.   It's pretty much the same situation we are seeing on college campuses, thanks to the Obama administration sending the "Dear Colleges" letter.

Rebecca Watson says that false rape claims are 8% (compared to most feminists who say 2%), but she goes on to justify sending these innocent men to prison without a trial so real rape victims don't have to go through a trial.

Still gonna need a citation on this. Links.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2017, 07:39:49 am »

Search for her on YouTube.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2017, 09:21:37 am »

Demand?
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