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« on: May 17, 2017, 07:36:11 pm »

“I rise today, Mr. Speaker, to call for the impeachment of the president of the United States of America for obstruction of justice,” said Rep. Al Green (D-TX) today on the House floor.

http://tinyurl.com/klhykgw

“I do not do this for political purposes,” he continued. “I do it because, Mr. Speaker, there is a belief in this country that no one is above the law. And that includes the president of the United States of America. Mr. Speaker, our democracy is at risk.”

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/333803-first-republicans-talk-impeachment-for-trump

Republicans are beginning to talk of the possibility that President Trump could face impeachment after reports that he pressed ousted FBI Director James Comey to end an investigation of former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

While Republicans are choosing their words carefully, the fact that impeachment is even being mentioned is notable in Washington's polarized political environment.

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) on Wednesday said if the reports about Trump's pressure on Comey are true, it would merit impeachment.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 07:55:00 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 08:00:17 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....

Yeah. It isn't believable that anyone cares about any of this when Trump compromised the identity of American operatives in the Middle East when he divulged information of the highest classification level to the Russians in an effort to brag to them. Try again.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2017, 08:15:59 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....

Yeah. It isn't believable that anyone cares about any of this when Trump compromised the identity of American operatives in the Middle East when he divulged information of the highest classification level to the Russians in an effort to brag to them. Try again.

Not to mention that Clinton didn't instruct them to delete the emails after being told to turn them over, it was a standing instruction made long before. Plus, most of those emails were probably personal, and the ones that were to do with her work as Sec of State were not classified at the time the emails were sent or received. This email malarkey is just ridiculous.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2017, 08:25:54 pm »

Not to mention that Clinton didn't instruct them to delete the emails after being told to turn them over, it was a standing instruction made long before. Plus, most of those emails were probably personal, and the ones that were to do with her work as Sec of State were not classified at the time the emails were sent or received. This email malarkey is just ridiculous.

If there is one thing we know now it is that the year and a half Clinton email saga was a completely political witchhunt and a non-scandal pursued strictly to achieve partisan ends. Trump began mishandling classified information the moment he began to get it, and now outing American operatives hostile foreign powers. Which is something so far beyond anything Clinton was even accused of doing that it beggars description.

Anyone who even raised an eyebrow towards Clinton's handling of the arcane rules of IT management in the government should be screaming for Trump's impeachment.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2017, 08:41:05 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....

Yeah. It isn't believable that anyone cares about any of this when Trump compromised the identity of American operatives in the Middle East when he divulged information of the highest classification level to the Russians in an effort to brag to them. Try again.

Where do you get your information, and how does it get through the tinfoil?
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2017, 09:04:38 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....

Yeah. It isn't believable that anyone cares about any of this when Trump compromised the identity of American operatives in the Middle East when he divulged information of the highest classification level to the Russians in an effort to brag to them. Try again.

Where do you get your information, and how does it get through the tinfoil?

The Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/loose-lips-sink-presidencies-1494977056
Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider.com/could-trump-be-impeached-over-comey-memo-impeachment-2017-5
Vox: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/17/15653434/israel-spy-compromised-trump-russians
ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/trumps-disclosure-endangered-spy-inside-isis-israel-officials/story?id=47449304
Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.ff4dfc3e03a4
The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-information-isis.html
The Times of London: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-i-have-the-right-to-share-intelligence-with-russia-mnkf52btv
Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/US-officials-Trumps-intel-leak-endangered-life-of-spy-placed-inside-ISIS-by-Israel-490968
The Toronto Star: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/15/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russians-us-officials-say.html
The Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/world/all-the-presidents-strawmen-defend-trumps-oval-office-blunder-with-russians-20170516-gw5y1h.html
The Cape Times (from Cape Town, South Africa): http://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/trump-gave-secret-data-to-russia-9184600

It's literally all over the news from the English speaking world (and non-English speaking world)

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 09:10:06 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....


Happily, Hillary Clinton is not in power and will likely never get close to the presidency again.

Unhappily, we have an incompetent, mentally impaired rapist in the White House who is jeopardizing the safety of the country and our allies.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2017, 09:39:08 pm »

You do realize the "anonymous" sourcing that has fueled this one story being reported by every other paper "claims" information was said that has already been debunked by people in the actual room. Not all of these sources actually vet the information anymore and just rely on the original author to have done that. Every story has been debunked by actual named sources. Just because you wish something to be doesn't make it so.
Deal in facts and not hyperventilating soundbites! You will not only be better informed, but less emotional.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2017, 09:39:30 pm »

So has someone found evidence Trump is tweeting from a secure server?
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 09:53:58 pm »

You do realize the "anonymous" sourcing that has fueled this one story being reported by every other paper "claims" information was said that has already been debunked by people in the actual room. Not all of these sources actually vet the information anymore and just rely on the original author to have done that. Every story has been debunked by actual named sources. Just because you wish something to be doesn't make it so.
Deal in facts and not hyperventilating soundbites! You will not only be better informed, but less emotional.

Sooo, your switching from this statement, "Where do you get your information, and how does it get through the tinfoil" now? Because earlier you were completely incredulous that the story even existed, now your going "ANONYMOUS SOURCES! ANONYMOUS SOURCES!" It makes you seem quite disingenuous that you would flip on a dime like that. You are also completely wrong, for the second time in a row. If you read all the links I sent you, you'd see that they cover the story as it developed, including details not in the original story and including details that other news organizations broke.

Anywho, as far as named sources verifying things. How about the fact that Donald Trump verified the story himself?

http://time.com/4780312/president-trump-russian-leak-tweet/

You should pay more attention to the Trump cycle. Guess what happens every single time something like this happens? White House rats crawl out of the woodwork and deny and deny and deny... and then Trump verifies the story exactly as it was reported.

Your last sentence? It applies to you, and not to me.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 09:57:17 pm »

Anywho, as far as named sources verifying things. How about the fact that Donald Trump verified the story himself?

http://time.com/4780312/president-trump-russian-leak-tweet/

You should pay more attention to the Trump cycle. Guess what happens every single time something like this happens? White House rats crawl out of the woodwork and deny and deny and deny... and then Trump verifies the story exactly as it was reported.

Your last sentence? It applies to you, and not to me.

You gotta remember, people like amicusets wants us to believe in an alternative reality where #45's own words aren't real or shouldn't be used to discredit him  Crazy?
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 06:09:15 pm »

If there is one thing we know now it is that the year and a half Clinton email saga was a completely political witchhunt and a non-scandal pursued strictly to achieve partisan ends. Trump began mishandling classified information the moment he began to get it, and now outing American operatives hostile foreign powers. Which is something so far beyond anything Clinton was even accused of doing that it beggars description.

Anyone who even raised an eyebrow towards Clinton's handling of the arcane rules of IT management in the government should be screaming for Trump's impeachment.
It was a witchhunt?  Hmm.. a witchhunt that thus far has failed to rid ourselves of that witch!
Hillary was ORDERED by Congress to turn over 30,000 emails that were the property of the U.S. Government which she had illegally had on her own private server in an insecure location (her house).   Instead, she went to a private tech company, with no security clearance, and had them access and DELETE those messages AFTER she was ordered to produce them!   She should have been put in JAIL then.. and should still be put in jail.   You are comparing MOUNTAINS to molehills.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2017, 06:13:03 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....


Happily, Hillary Clinton is not in power and will likely never get close to the presidency again.

Unhappily, we have an incompetent, mentally impaired rapist in the White House who is jeopardizing the safety of the country and our allies.

Mentally impaired rapist?  That is being a bit harsh on Bill Clinton.  Well, OK, Bill DID stick his cock in Monica Lewinsky's mouth, and got cum all over her dress, at a desk in the Oval Office... and also stuck a cigar up Monica's vagina..  and lied about it to his wife and to the American people and Congress (which is a felony).   But that is the only time Bill got NAILED.. he's done similar things hundreds if not thousands of times.
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2017, 06:24:11 pm »

It was a witchhunt?  Hmm.. a witchhunt that thus far has failed to rid ourselves of that witch!
Hillary was ORDERED by Congress to turn over 30,000 emails that were the property of the U.S. Government which she had illegally had on her own private server in an insecure location (her house).   Instead, she went to a private tech company, with no security clearance, and had them access and DELETE those messages AFTER she was ordered to produce them!   She should have been put in JAIL then.. and should still be put in jail.   You are comparing MOUNTAINS to molehills.

Why yes, that was my exact point. Trump just gave vital Israeli intelligence to Russia (Iran's ally), including outing an  operative in ISIS controlled territory... because he wanted to brag. That's a mountain so large it would dwarf Olympus Mons.

Compared to that anything about Clinton's IT management is not even a molehill, it's a quark it is so minor.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2017, 06:25:46 pm »

I don't suppose that Hillary instructing some private company with no security clearance to access and delete at least 30,000 e-mails, which were property of the U.S. government, AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over, is obstruction of justice? nooo....

The fact that her e-mails were investigated, and investigated, and investigated some more and the rabid GOPers couldn't find any evidence of actual wrong-doing means that there probably was no obstruction of justice. If the GOP had any legitimate excuse to convict of her a crime, she would already be convicted.

Beyond that, what Hillary did or didn't do has no bearing on Trump. She is not the POTUS and he is. He has to take responsibility for his own actions, apart from anything that Hillary may have done. For the sake of argument, let's say that Hillary is guilty of obstruction of justice. Does that mean that Trump isn't guilty of something because Hillary is? Certainly not.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2017, 11:10:35 pm »


It was a witchhunt?  Hmm.. a witchhunt that thus far has failed to rid ourselves of that witch!
Hillary was ORDERED by Congress to turn over 30,000 emails that were the property of the U.S. Government which she had illegally had on her own private server in an insecure location (her house).   Instead, she went to a private tech company, with no security clearance, and had them access and DELETE those messages AFTER she was ordered to produce them!   She should have been put in JAIL then.. and should still be put in jail.   You are comparing MOUNTAINS to molehills.

No YOU are the one making a mountain out of this proven molehill of an email conspiracy. Again you are wrong wrong wrong. And the fact that she's NOT in jail is all the proof needed that it was a witch hunt! After all the months of crying "Lock her up!" And his campaign promise to indict and convict Hillary- Trump has (again) failed to live up to this campaign promise. Why? Because in the end the evidence needed to PROVE that she was guilty DOESN'T EXIST. She was exonerated and cleared by all the investigative commissions the Republicans could throw at her.

Knowing he will never have the proof he needs, Trump just let her go. Again, lying to all his supporters. Just like his claims of the nonexistent wiretap. Empty lies with nothing to back them up.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2017, 11:31:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/FDTProgressive/status/865208033122459648/photo/1

This has been another classic deflection attempt by the defenders of the New Swamp known as the Trump administration.
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2017, 12:38:53 am »

Sorry, but they are both disgusting. I see people bashing Trump yet support/supported Clinton and I just roll my eyes. (and vice versa)
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2017, 01:11:48 am »


It was a witchhunt?  Hmm.. a witchhunt that thus far has failed to rid ourselves of that witch!
Hillary was ORDERED by Congress to turn over 30,000 emails that were the property of the U.S. Government which she had illegally had on her own private server in an insecure location (her house).   Instead, she went to a private tech company, with no security clearance, and had them access and DELETE those messages AFTER she was ordered to produce them!   She should have been put in JAIL then.. and should still be put in jail.   You are comparing MOUNTAINS to molehills.

No YOU are the one making a mountain out of this proven molehill of an email conspiracy. Again you are wrong wrong wrong. And the fact that she's NOT in jail is all the proof needed that it was a witch hunt! After all the months of crying "Lock her up!" And his campaign promise to indict and convict Hillary- Trump has (again) failed to live up to this campaign promise. Why? Because in the end the evidence needed to PROVE that she was guilty DOESN'T EXIST. She was exonerated and cleared by all the investigative commissions the Republicans could throw at her.

Knowing he will never have the proof he needs, Trump just let her go. Again, lying to all his supporters. Just like his claims of the nonexistent wiretap. Empty lies with nothing to back them up.  Roll Eyes

You are out of your mind in denial.
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