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« on: May 18, 2017, 05:33:28 am »

What is the rate of infection when you do torrid kissing with an HIV + guy?
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 08:20:04 am »

virtually zero?
unless you have bleeding sores in your mouth and the person your kissing has bleeding sores and both the bleeding sores somehow meet during the kiss, you don't catch HIV through kissing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 10:16:40 am »

virtually zero?
unless you have bleeding sores in your mouth and the person your kissing has bleeding sores and both the bleeding sores somehow meet during the kiss, you don't catch HIV through kissing.

Thanks for the answer! Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 08:28:41 pm »

they can't make the tests mandatory, they are unreliable.  The inserts in the test have a disclaimer that the test can not be used to treat or detect HIV.  There are no standards from country to country for the results of the test.  over 30 countries have banned the western blot test.  The blood for the test has to be diluted 400 times, or all the results wold be positive.  There are over 70 conditions other than HIV, that can make the test show positive. 

the population in africa has doubled in the past 30 years.

in western 1st world countries HIV is still only in the gay men and drug user groups.

in the u.s.a.  between 1982 and 2012, 652,000 HIV positive people died, not necessarily from aids.  Of those over 300,000 died due to overdose of AZT.   To put it in perspective 475,000 people in the USA die ever year of lung cancer, the 4th leading cause of death in the USA.

Don't send a lot of nasty posts about these facts....

Do your own research and find out the truth about HIV and AIDS....it may not be what you think.


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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 07:38:10 am »

There are no standards from country to country for the results of the test.

WRONG!!! There are standards, however there are several different versions of the "standard", depending on what region of the world that you are in. For example, you will find one set of standards within North America, but you will find a completely different set of standards in say Europe. So this statement is misleading.


There are over 70 conditions other than HIV, that can make the test show positive.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for verification on this one, including several examples of things that can cuase this. This is the first that I have heard of this.... EVER.


in western 1st world countries HIV is still only in the gay men and drug user groups.

Also.... WRONG!!! HIV does not discriminate, so why do you? Although HIV is most common in gay men and IV drug users in particular, this does NOT mean that it is something that ONLY affects gay men and IV drug users. This is a myth... HIV can and does infect the heterosexual female just the same is it does the gay man. Don't kid yourself.


in the u.s.a.  between 1982 and 2012, 652,000 HIV positive people died, not necessarily from aids.  Of those over 300,000 died due to overdose of AZT.   To put it in perspective 475,000 people in the USA die ever year of lung cancer, the 4th leading cause of death in the USA.

Ummm... Actually, these stats only account for up to 2012. The problem is that around 2010, the newest classes of HIV meds were introduced to the market, which have substantially changed the entire reality of how HIV is managed, and how it affects the lifespan. What you don't mention is that from 2003 - 2016, the official stats have actually dramatically declined due to the new meds being introduced on a wide scale in 2010 or later, and the availability of the meds. So it may have been true that at one point HIV was the 4th leading cause of death, however this is no longer the case. The vast majority of cases of HIV related death these days are either from people who refuse to take the meds for their own reasons, or the unfortunate few who do not have access to sufficient medical coverage to be able to have access to the meds. Generally speaking, not having access to the meds is more common in the United States than it is in Canada where I am, because unlike the United States, the government in Canada covers things like medications that you need to live if you cannot afford them.


Do your own research and find out the truth about HIV and AIDS....it may not be what you think.

I would be inclined to suggest that your advice may indeed be wise. The truth about HIV may not be what you think it is either. A lot has changed in the last 10 - 15 years.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 08:55:31 am »

virtually zero?
unless you have bleeding sores in your mouth and the person your kissing has bleeding sores and both the bleeding sores somehow meet during the kiss, you don't catch HIV through kissing.

Are there any exceptions?


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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2017, 06:56:08 am »

Not really... It's pretty much a cut and dry thing, due to the nature of the enzymes found in saliva, and the fact that the virus itself must somehow enter the blood stream essentially.
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