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« on: May 24, 2017, 04:16:42 am »

Here's the facts:
Hillary ILLEGALLY kept a server in her house containing hundreds of thousands of digital documents (which is a Federal Crime).
These documents included those from her tenure as Secretary of State during the 2008-2012 tenure of Osama (and Benghazi).
Her house was not a secure location, nor was it safe from cyber attacks, nor did she have permission to do that.
The people Hillary hired to set up her server and maintain it.. and access it, and DELETE things had NO security clearance.
Congress ORDERED Hillary to turn over 30,000 e-mails from that server.
AFTER being ORDERED to turn over the e-mails, Hillary hired a private company with no security clearance to destroy the evidence.
Those actions amount to treason, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, and other crimes - all of which should have her in prison.

Trump wanted those e-mails recovered, to show that Hillary is a crook.
Hillary then took the extra step of not only deleting those e-mails but made sure they could not be recovered by using "bleach bit" software.

Eventually, the dozen or more agencies investigating the e-mails determined that Hillary's rogue server in her house had been hacked by at LEAST 5 different countries and other parties not tied to a government. 
Duplicates of many of those e-mails were found on the computer of pedophile Anthony Weiner who is the husband of Huma Abedin (who is Hillary's top aide and rumored lesbian lover).
WikiLeaks began publishing batches of these e-mails which were extremely damaging to Hillary.  She wisely didn't even attempt to refute these e-mails, but started waving the "Red Flag" and claiming that Russia was trying to destroy her. 
Several times, the head of WikiLeaks stated that the source of the e-mails was NOT a state run agency, NOT Russia.. and Assange has a reputation for never lying. 

So, here we are, still blaming Trump and Russia for Hillary's defeat. 
Since when is exposing the TRUTH a crime? 
Is it a crime to produce REAL evidence that Hillary tried to destroy?   No, it's not.

Let's take this one step further:
Imagine that Hillary WON the election.. if we assume that Russia and others had those e-mails that she tried to destroy, then there would be a cloud over Hillary in that she could be blackmailed by Russia and the others who could potentially reveal what she tried to hide.
So, if Hillary had been elected, she would be forced to resign because of that potential for blackmail. 
Hillary created her OWN defeat. 
This is WHY keeping a server in one's own house is illegal.  if the e-mails were intercepted from a legitimate government computer, then it would be the fault of the government.  By having the e-mails intercepted from Hillary's own private computer in her own home, the fault and liability is 100% that of Hillary! 

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 07:24:20 am »

Totally couldn't have said it better, but don't forget about Seth Rich, the murdered DNC staffer (they claim it was a robbery even though his wallet was still on him), has now been identified as the leaker to WikiLeaks (NOT RUSSIA). The leaks came from inside the DNC itself, and that means all this Russia garbage is pure LIES, and it also means that the deep state agents promoting this LIE are in collusion with the DNC, and have been from the beginning. Trump had nothing to do with any of this, period, and there still is ample evidence against Hillary and the DNC, yet they are blaming Trump and Russia. What a bunch of BS!
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 07:28:40 am »

Some FACTS that were not mentioned but deserve scrutiny:
 http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-election-meddling-20170330-story.html (Pro Trump publication LA Times)
For years, Russia has used a grab bag of illicit tactics, including the hacking of emails and mobile phones, the dissemination of fake news and character assassination, to try to undermine the political process in other countries.

“They have a history of doing this,” Roy Godson, professor of government emeritus at Georgetown University, told a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Thursday. “They find this a successful use of their resources.”

Moscow has recently stepped up this type of activity, targeting political processes in France, Germany and the Netherlands, among other nations, according to experts who testified on the first day of a series of Senate hearings on Russia’s propaganda and intelligence campaign aimed at undermining the 2016 vote.

Now let's delve into CURRENT Trump-Russian connections:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/03/the-web-of-relationships-between-team-trump-and-russia/?utm_term=.269463f7a15e


Donald Trump, president. Trump’s connections to Russian business interests are murky, thanks to his decision not to release his tax returns during the campaign. We know that the Miss Universe pageant was hosted in Moscow when Trump owned it and that he earned millions of dollars for doing so. We know, too, that he’s repeatedly explored real estate deals in the country. It’s not clear whether Trump has met Kislyak, though the ambassador attended a foreign policy speech Trump gave last spring and the reception that preceded it. We know now that Trump has been in communication with Putin — but he also claimed to have been in contact with representatives of the Russian president (and Putin himself) before the campaign. (let's not forget about the 45m house sold for 100m to a dubious Russian Oligarch, never lived in now under plans to be torn down but hey, that's not at all sketchy!)

Jeff Sessions, attorney general. Sessions’s relationship with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Russia’s man in Washington is well-established by now.

Jared Kushner, adviser. Trump’s son-in-law (Ivanka’s husband) also met with Kislyak during the period between Election Day and the inauguration, according to the New York Times. Kushner also has some loose connections to Russian business interests, according to the Times, including an investment from tech investor Yuri Milner in a real estate investment company and a friendship with the wife of oligarch Roman Abramovich. (She was invited to the inauguration as Ivanka Trump’s guest.)

Michael Flynn, former national security adviser. Flynn had a number of contacts with Kislyak after Election Day, including attending that meeting between the ambassador and Kushner. (Flynn was forced to resign his position after it was revealed that his comments about the content of those meetings to Vice President Pence were falsehoods.) After resigning from the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, Flynn was invited to give a paid speech at a celebration of RT. He did so and joined Putin’s table for a related banquet.

Donald Trump Jr., son. The younger Trump visited France last October to speak to an obscure Russian group. In 2008, Don Jr., who works for the Trump Organization, famously told a real estate conference that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets” and that “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Paul Manafort, former campaign manager. Manafort’s links to Russian interests are well established. New revelations that emerged during the campaign prompted Trump to demand Manafort’s resignation. Manafort is one of the Trump campaign staffers who reportedly made contact with Russian interests during the campaign.

Rex Tillerson, secretary of state. Before he was confirmed to serve as the head of the State Department, even Republicans questioned Tillerson’s relationship to Putin. As the head of ExxonMobil, Tillerson helped negotiate a massive agreement between the Russian government and ExxonMobil-Rosneft, a partnership between the two companies. Tillerson was subsequently awarded the “Order of Friendship” by Putin.

Wilbur Ross, secretary of commerce. Ross’s connections to Russian business interests are less obvious than Tillerson’s. During the Clinton administration, Ross served on the board of the U.S.-Russia Investment Fund, an effort to bolster businesses in post-Cold-War Russia. During his confirmation, questions arose about his ownership of a bank on Cyprus that, in the words of McClatchy’s Kevin Hall, “caters to wealthy Russians.”

Roger Stone, longtime adviser. Stone’s connection to Russia is murky. During the campaign, he drew attention for seeming to have inside knowledge on the WikiLeaks document releases — releases that have been linked to Russian interests by the government. More directly, the Times reports that Stone is possibly under investigation by the U.S. government for his links to Russia.

Carter Page, former adviser. Page is included in that alleged investigation as well, but his links to Russia are more clear. Page pretty clearly met with Kislyak last year during the Republican convention in Cleveland, as he admitted to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Thursday night. He also has repeatedly addressed Russian business groups in that country, including twice in 2016. Over a decade ago, he worked in Russia as an investment banker.

J.D. Gordon, former adviser. Page is far in the outer orbit of Trump’s circle, serving briefly as part of Trump’s national security advisory team. He’s joined there by Gordon, a onetime Pentagon spokesman who also served as an adviser to the campaign. Gordon, like Page, reportedly spoke with Kislyak in Cleveland.

Full stories at the links provided.

Follow the money--when Drumpf's tax returns are subpoenaed, we'll know where his money really comes from (besides of course bilking subcontractors, ripping off Trump University enrollees and all 'his' products made in countries OTHER than America), but that's an entirely different, tho related conversation I'm sure will be broached at some time during the CRIMINAL investigation of this game show host/carnival barker cum president.

Witch Hunt? I think NOT!
 
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 07:48:23 am »

Some FACTS that were not mentioned but deserve scrutiny:
 http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-election-meddling-20170330-story.html (Pro Trump publication LA Times)
For years, Russia has used a grab bag of illicit tactics, including the hacking of emails and mobile phones, the dissemination of fake news and character assassination, to try to undermine the political process in other countries.

“They have a history of doing this,” Roy Godson, professor of government emeritus at Georgetown University, told a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Thursday. “They find this a successful use of their resources.”

Moscow has recently stepped up this type of activity, targeting political processes in France, Germany and the Netherlands, among other nations, according to experts who testified on the first day of a series of Senate hearings on Russia’s propaganda and intelligence campaign aimed at undermining the 2016 vote.

Now let's delve into CURRENT Trump-Russian connections:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/03/the-web-of-relationships-between-team-trump-and-russia/?utm_term=.269463f7a15e


Donald Trump, president. Trump’s connections to Russian business interests are murky, thanks to his decision not to release his tax returns during the campaign. We know that the Miss Universe pageant was hosted in Moscow when Trump owned it and that he earned millions of dollars for doing so. We know, too, that he’s repeatedly explored real estate deals in the country. It’s not clear whether Trump has met Kislyak, though the ambassador attended a foreign policy speech Trump gave last spring and the reception that preceded it. We know now that Trump has been in communication with Putin — but he also claimed to have been in contact with representatives of the Russian president (and Putin himself) before the campaign. (let's not forget about the 45m house sold for 100m to a dubious Russian Oligarch, never lived in now under plans to be torn down but hey, that's not at all sketchy!)

Jeff Sessions, attorney general. Sessions’s relationship with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Russia’s man in Washington is well-established by now.

Jared Kushner, adviser. Trump’s son-in-law (Ivanka’s husband) also met with Kislyak during the period between Election Day and the inauguration, according to the New York Times. Kushner also has some loose connections to Russian business interests, according to the Times, including an investment from tech investor Yuri Milner in a real estate investment company and a friendship with the wife of oligarch Roman Abramovich. (She was invited to the inauguration as Ivanka Trump’s guest.)

Michael Flynn, former national security adviser. Flynn had a number of contacts with Kislyak after Election Day, including attending that meeting between the ambassador and Kushner. (Flynn was forced to resign his position after it was revealed that his comments about the content of those meetings to Vice President Pence were falsehoods.) After resigning from the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, Flynn was invited to give a paid speech at a celebration of RT. He did so and joined Putin’s table for a related banquet.

Donald Trump Jr., son. The younger Trump visited France last October to speak to an obscure Russian group. In 2008, Don Jr., who works for the Trump Organization, famously told a real estate conference that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets” and that “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

Paul Manafort, former campaign manager. Manafort’s links to Russian interests are well established. New revelations that emerged during the campaign prompted Trump to demand Manafort’s resignation. Manafort is one of the Trump campaign staffers who reportedly made contact with Russian interests during the campaign.

Rex Tillerson, secretary of state. Before he was confirmed to serve as the head of the State Department, even Republicans questioned Tillerson’s relationship to Putin. As the head of ExxonMobil, Tillerson helped negotiate a massive agreement between the Russian government and ExxonMobil-Rosneft, a partnership between the two companies. Tillerson was subsequently awarded the “Order of Friendship” by Putin.

Wilbur Ross, secretary of commerce. Ross’s connections to Russian business interests are less obvious than Tillerson’s. During the Clinton administration, Ross served on the board of the U.S.-Russia Investment Fund, an effort to bolster businesses in post-Cold-War Russia. During his confirmation, questions arose about his ownership of a bank on Cyprus that, in the words of McClatchy’s Kevin Hall, “caters to wealthy Russians.”

Roger Stone, longtime adviser. Stone’s connection to Russia is murky. During the campaign, he drew attention for seeming to have inside knowledge on the WikiLeaks document releases — releases that have been linked to Russian interests by the government. More directly, the Times reports that Stone is possibly under investigation by the U.S. government for his links to Russia.

Carter Page, former adviser. Page is included in that alleged investigation as well, but his links to Russia are more clear. Page pretty clearly met with Kislyak last year during the Republican convention in Cleveland, as he admitted to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Thursday night. He also has repeatedly addressed Russian business groups in that country, including twice in 2016. Over a decade ago, he worked in Russia as an investment banker.

J.D. Gordon, former adviser. Page is far in the outer orbit of Trump’s circle, serving briefly as part of Trump’s national security advisory team. He’s joined there by Gordon, a onetime Pentagon spokesman who also served as an adviser to the campaign. Gordon, like Page, reportedly spoke with Kislyak in Cleveland.

Full stories at the links provided.

Follow the money--when Drumpf's tax returns are subpoenaed, we'll know where his money really comes from (besides of course bilking subcontractors, ripping off Trump University enrollees and all 'his' products made in countries OTHER than America), but that's an entirely different, tho related conversation I'm sure will be broached at some time during the CRIMINAL investigation of this game show host/carnival barker cum president.

Witch Hunt? I think NOT!
 



What a JOKE! Like your last point saying Gordon "spoke" with Kislyak. WOW!!! That proves it! But what about Podesta getting PAID $35,000,000 dollars from Russia? Don't mention THAT huh? Garbage.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 08:16:10 am »

This thread or my post is NOT about Podesta, who has NO OFFICIAL FUNCTION in the CURRENT administration.

And yes, tho not PROOF POSITIVE, as I mentioned (and have others), these pre-election and CURRENT contacts between Russia and Trump cronies deserve SCRUTINY. 

BTW, the sad 'joke' is that this charlatan is MY representative to the world.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 08:18:01 am »

Well you say follow the money, so why don't you follow the evidence, and where collusion has actually occurred? It just seems like a huge distraction from the REAL story.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 09:45:24 am »

This thread or my post is NOT about Podesta, who has NO OFFICIAL FUNCTION in the CURRENT administration.

And yes, tho not PROOF POSITIVE, as I mentioned (and have others), these pre-election and CURRENT contacts between Russia and Trump cronies deserve SCRUTINY.  

BTW, the sad 'joke' is that this charlatan is MY representative to the world.

 Nobody SHOULD be talking about Podesta anymore since he has NO OFFICIAL FUNCTION in government anymore..  HOWEVER, Pedosta is STILL running his mouth and making attacks upon Trump.. as is Hillary.  If he's going to cast stones, he better expect to be criticized.  
There is another issue here.. Hillary doesn't give a damn about the Democratic Party.  All Hillary cares about is... (drumroll)  HILLARY!  She will do and say anything that will benefit her own personal agenda.  It looks like she might be trying to promote her daughter Chelsea now.. that is a hunch.  Good luck with getting that horse faced, pseudo intellectual elected to anything.  
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 09:55:27 am »

Totally couldn't have said it better, but don't forget about Seth Rich, the murdered DNC staffer (they claim it was a robbery even though his wallet was still on him), has now been identified as the leaker to WikiLeaks (NOT RUSSIA). The leaks came from inside the DNC itself, and that means all this Russia garbage is pure LIES, and it also means that the deep state agents promoting this LIE are in collusion with the DNC, and have been from the beginning. Trump had nothing to do with any of this, period, and there still is ample evidence against Hillary and the DNC, yet they are blaming Trump and Russia. What a bunch of BS!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/statement-on-coverage-seth-rich-murder-investigation.html

Published May 23, 2017
Fox News

"On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich. The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.

We will continue to investigate this story and will provide updates as warranted."

http://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/

 "Long before the retraction, the Fox News story fell apart almost the moment it was published.

Within a day, one of its main sources — a private investigator working with Rich's family, but paid for by a conservative Dallas millionaire — recanted his story. The family has since sent him a cease and desist letter.

Subsequent reporting by NBC News and other outlets also found that the local police investigating Rich's death never even gave his laptop to the FBI, so there was no way Fox's purported source could have seen it.

A former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop told NBC News definitively: "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it.

We were able to confirm the FBI is not investigating Rich’s murder — it is an MPD (sic, DC Police) investigation.

...Although the Fox report claims Wheeler is a private investigator, a search for Wheeler’s name on the public lookup tool for licenses in Washington D.C. yields no results. We also checked for a license under his name in Maryland, where his firm Capitol Investigations is based. This search also yielded no results. When we asked MPD whether he was indeed a homicide detective with the department, they only confirmed he once worked there starting in 1990. He was dismissed by the department in 1995, but a spokesman did not explain why.

We sent an e-mail to Wheeler through his firm and have not yet received a response.

NBC News identified the “third party” who hired Wheeler to investigate Rich’s murder as Ed Butowsky, a Dallas-based financial adviser, who is also a Fox News contributor."

So, according to you, the "REAL" story is Sean Hannit and Fox News will say ANYTHING to bolster Trump, even when proven demonstrably FALSE.

Got it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 10:12:15 am »

Last post on this topic:

Trump is demonstrably a compulsive, if not pathological LIAR and, if for NO OTHER REASON, anything he says and does needs to be scrutinized for the TRUTH, not the "alternative facts" purported by his surrogates.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/100-days-whoppers/

Too many to list so, if you want real, unbiased FACT based upon Trump's own statements, click the link. Otherwise, stay in your Fox News/Alex Jones-Info Wars/Rush Limbaugh echo chamber and swallow whatever this guys says.

As the adage goes; Truth will out


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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 10:17:08 am »

Totally couldn't have said it better, but don't forget about Seth Rich, the murdered DNC staffer (they claim it was a robbery even though his wallet was still on him), has now been identified as the leaker to WikiLeaks (NOT RUSSIA). The leaks came from inside the DNC itself, and that means all this Russia garbage is pure LIES, and it also means that the deep state agents promoting this LIE are in collusion with the DNC, and have been from the beginning. Trump had nothing to do with any of this, period, and there still is ample evidence against Hillary and the DNC, yet they are blaming Trump and Russia. What a bunch of BS!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/statement-on-coverage-seth-rich-murder-investigation.html

Published May 23, 2017
Fox News

"On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich. The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.

We will continue to investigate this story and will provide updates as warranted."

http://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/

 "Long before the retraction, the Fox News story fell apart almost the moment it was published.

Within a day, one of its main sources — a private investigator working with Rich's family, but paid for by a conservative Dallas millionaire — recanted his story. The family has since sent him a cease and desist letter.

Subsequent reporting by NBC News and other outlets also found that the local police investigating Rich's death never even gave his laptop to the FBI, so there was no way Fox's purported source could have seen it.

A former law enforcement official with first-hand knowledge of Rich's laptop told NBC News definitively: "It never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks, and the FBI never had it.

We were able to confirm the FBI is not investigating Rich’s murder — it is an MPD (sic, DC Police) investigation.

...Although the Fox report claims Wheeler is a private investigator, a search for Wheeler’s name on the public lookup tool for licenses in Washington D.C. yields no results. We also checked for a license under his name in Maryland, where his firm Capitol Investigations is based. This search also yielded no results. When we asked MPD whether he was indeed a homicide detective with the department, they only confirmed he once worked there starting in 1990. He was dismissed by the department in 1995, but a spokesman did not explain why.

We sent an e-mail to Wheeler through his firm and have not yet received a response.

NBC News identified the “third party” who hired Wheeler to investigate Rich’s murder as Ed Butowsky, a Dallas-based financial adviser, who is also a Fox News contributor."

So, according to you, the "REAL" story is Sean Hannit and Fox News will say ANYTHING to bolster Trump, even when proven demonstrably FALSE.

Got it.


WOW the FBI! Not investigating the murder of a close person in the Hillary campaign who is suspected of leaking information to WikiLeaks when someone who actually worked with him (KIM.COM) said outright that he was INVOLVED. WOW. I totally believe it. Again, enough with the nonsense brah!
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 08:31:07 pm »

Imagine that Hillary WON the election..

Here we go again, living in Kellyanne Conway's alternative fact world  Crazy?
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 10:00:09 pm »

Here's the facts:
Hillary ILLEGALLY kept a server in her house containing hundreds of thousands of digital documents (which is a Federal Crime).

Nope. It wasn't a crime to have a private server (which, by the by, the government doesn't differentiate from a private email address) in the first place. In fact, the number of people who have private email addresses in government is... more or less everyone of note. Including most people in the current administration. Nor was any

These documents included those from her tenure as Secretary of State during the 2008-2012 tenure of Osama (and Benghazi).
Her house was not a secure location, nor was it safe from cyber attacks, nor did she have permission to do that.
The people Hillary hired to set up her server and maintain it.. and access it, and DELETE things had NO security clearance.
Congress ORDERED Hillary to turn over 30,000 e-mails from that server.
AFTER being ORDERED to turn over the e-mails, Hillary hired a private company with no security clearance to destroy the evidence.
Those actions amount to treason, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, and other crimes - all of which should have her in prison.

Of course none of that ever happened. What actually happened was that she went over all the emails and turned over all the ones that were work related and deleted all the ones that were personal. And she turned over lots of stuff she didn't have to, as anyone who read the emails knows, hence why there are emails asking about the times of TV shows or sending birthday greetings. And, additionally, her emails would be archived by the people she sent them to.

Again, none of this is a crime, and no one before Comey made his announcement (except far right-wing conspiracy sites) thought she was going to be indicted, let alone tried and found guilt.

Trump wanted those e-mails recovered, to show that Hillary is a crook.

A crook who has managed to keep all evidence of her crookedness hidden for decades now. I would like to ask how many investigations into Hillary Clinton that turn up nothing will have to take place before you admit there was nothing there in the first place?

Hillary then took the extra step of not only deleting those e-mails but made sure they could not be recovered by using "bleach bit" software.

Who had the "Bleach bit!" square on the Bingo board?

Eventually, the dozen or more agencies investigating the e-mails determined that Hillary's rogue server in her house had been hacked by at LEAST 5 different countries and other parties not tied to a government. 

Nope. Actually the State department's servers got hacked. There was zero evidence that any of Clinton's private equipment got hacked (hence why Russia didn't release the emails Trump asked for). If anything her equipment was more secure than the government's.
 
Duplicates of many of those e-mails were found on the computer of pedophile Anthony Weiner who is the husband of Huma Abedin (who is Hillary's top aide and rumored lesbian lover).

They were client side copies.

WikiLeaks began publishing batches of these e-mails which were extremely damaging to Hillary.

They weren't in and of themselves. There was nothing remotely damaging in them. All the damage was done because the media kept reporting on emails even though there wasn't a story there. The Hillary Clinton email saga was actually three different things, none of which actually amounted to a real scandal. So for a year and a half all the public heard was "Hillary Clinton something something something emails." And that was the damage.

She wisely didn't even attempt to refute these e-mails, but started waving the "Red Flag" and claiming that Russia was trying to destroy her. 
Several times, the head of WikiLeaks stated that the source of the e-mails was NOT a state run agency, NOT Russia.. and Assange has a reputation for never lying. 

Of course he does. He has a reputation for being a pathological liar. He will say or do anything for attention. Anywho, the hacking has been confirmed by anyone who looked at the evidence to be obviously Russia's handiwork.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 10:44:13 pm »

Ok Loki, if you wanna be TECHNICAL, no it isn't illegal for anyone in government to have a server at their home that is separate from their government server at work. But when you put CLASSIFIED government information on your PRIVATE home server, then it IS a Federal Crime. And most certainly it is ILLEGAL to EMAIL CLASSIFIED government documents. If you talk to the IRS they will give you a fax number that will only be good for about 30 minutes, and will not accept emailed documents or forms, because "EMAIL IS NOT SECURE." Everyone in government knows this, from the TOP to the lowly IRS employee you are just trying to deliver your forms to.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 10:47:54 pm »

Here's the facts:
Hillary ILLEGALLY kept a server in her house containing hundreds of thousands of digital documents (which is a Federal Crime).

Nope. It wasn't a crime to have a private server (which, by the by, the government doesn't differentiate from a private email address) in the first place. In fact, the number of people who have private email addresses in government is... more or less everyone of note. Including most people in the current administration. Nor was any

These documents included those from her tenure as Secretary of State during the 2008-2012 tenure of Osama (and Benghazi).
Her house was not a secure location, nor was it safe from cyber attacks, nor did she have permission to do that.
The people Hillary hired to set up her server and maintain it.. and access it, and DELETE things had NO security clearance.
Congress ORDERED Hillary to turn over 30,000 e-mails from that server.
AFTER being ORDERED to turn over the e-mails, Hillary hired a private company with no security clearance to destroy the evidence.
Those actions amount to treason, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, and other crimes - all of which should have her in prison.

Of course none of that ever happened. What actually happened was that she went over all the emails and turned over all the ones that were work related and deleted all the ones that were personal. And she turned over lots of stuff she didn't have to, as anyone who read the emails knows, hence why there are emails asking about the times of TV shows or sending birthday greetings. And, additionally, her emails would be archived by the people she sent them to.

Again, none of this is a crime, and no one before Comey made his announcement (except far right-wing conspiracy sites) thought she was going to be indicted, let alone tried and found guilt.

Trump wanted those e-mails recovered, to show that Hillary is a crook.

A crook who has managed to keep all evidence of her crookedness hidden for decades now. I would like to ask how many investigations into Hillary Clinton that turn up nothing will have to take place before you admit there was nothing there in the first place?

Hillary then took the extra step of not only deleting those e-mails but made sure they could not be recovered by using "bleach bit" software.

Who had the "Bleach bit!" square on the Bingo board?

Eventually, the dozen or more agencies investigating the e-mails determined that Hillary's rogue server in her house had been hacked by at LEAST 5 different countries and other parties not tied to a government. 

Nope. Actually the State department's servers got hacked. There was zero evidence that any of Clinton's private equipment got hacked (hence why Russia didn't release the emails Trump asked for). If anything her equipment was more secure than the government's.
 
Duplicates of many of those e-mails were found on the computer of pedophile Anthony Weiner who is the husband of Huma Abedin (who is Hillary's top aide and rumored lesbian lover).

They were client side copies.

WikiLeaks began publishing batches of these e-mails which were extremely damaging to Hillary.

They weren't in and of themselves. There was nothing remotely damaging in them. All the damage was done because the media kept reporting on emails even though there wasn't a story there. The Hillary Clinton email saga was actually three different things, none of which actually amounted to a real scandal. So for a year and a half all the public heard was "Hillary Clinton something something something emails." And that was the damage.

She wisely didn't even attempt to refute these e-mails, but started waving the "Red Flag" and claiming that Russia was trying to destroy her. 
Several times, the head of WikiLeaks stated that the source of the e-mails was NOT a state run agency, NOT Russia.. and Assange has a reputation for never lying. 

Of course he does. He has a reputation for being a pathological liar. He will say or do anything for attention. Anywho, the hacking has been confirmed by anyone who looked at the evidence to be obviously Russia's handiwork.


I was going to take the time to reply to Loki100, but he is so full of shit that he doesn't deserve a response. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 12:08:37 am »

Ok Loki, if you wanna be TECHNICAL, no it isn't illegal for anyone in government to have a server at their home that is separate from their government server at work. But when you put CLASSIFIED government information on your PRIVATE home server, then it IS a Federal Crime. And most certainly it is ILLEGAL to EMAIL CLASSIFIED government documents. If you talk to the IRS they will give you a fax number that will only be good for about 30 minutes, and will not accept emailed documents or forms, because "EMAIL IS NOT SECURE." Everyone in government knows this, from the TOP to the lowly IRS employee you are just trying to deliver your forms to.

Of course she didn't email anything classified. A small (as in three) number of emails were emailed to her and were mislabeled. And then the FBI decided that some stuff should, retroactively, have been labeled classified, which happens all the time. Most departments in the government disagree about what counts as classified. By the by, the diplomatic cables can (and have) been hacked.

By the by here's a small list of people who have done exactly what Clinton did with her email: Colin Powell, John Karry, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Martin O'Malley, Greg Abbot, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Ashton Carter, Karl Rove... oh and Mike Pence.

Let's also not forget about the millions of emails the Bush administration deleted.

I was going to take the time to reply to Loki100, but he is so full of shit that he doesn't deserve a response.  

Or, rather, the right-wing conspiracy sites you get your talking points from haven't given you the correct responses. Speaking of which, still calling the whole "Trump disclosed classified Israeli intelligence to Russia" fake news?
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2017, 12:11:35 am »

Here's the facts:
Hillary ILLEGALLY kept a server in her house containing hundreds of thousands of digital documents (which is a Federal Crime).

Nope. It wasn't a crime to have a private server (which, by the by, the government doesn't differentiate from a private email address) in the first place. In fact, the number of people who have private email addresses in government is... more or less everyone of note. Including most people in the current administration. Nor was any

These documents included those from her tenure as Secretary of State during the 2008-2012 tenure of Osama (and Benghazi).
Her house was not a secure location, nor was it safe from cyber attacks, nor did she have permission to do that.
The people Hillary hired to set up her server and maintain it.. and access it, and DELETE things had NO security clearance.
Congress ORDERED Hillary to turn over 30,000 e-mails from that server.
AFTER being ORDERED to turn over the e-mails, Hillary hired a private company with no security clearance to destroy the evidence.
Those actions amount to treason, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, and other crimes - all of which should have her in prison.

Of course none of that ever happened. What actually happened was that she went over all the emails and turned over all the ones that were work related and deleted all the ones that were personal. And she turned over lots of stuff she didn't have to, as anyone who read the emails knows, hence why there are emails asking about the times of TV shows or sending birthday greetings. And, additionally, her emails would be archived by the people she sent them to.

Again, none of this is a crime, and no one before Comey made his announcement (except far right-wing conspiracy sites) thought she was going to be indicted, let alone tried and found guilt.

Trump wanted those e-mails recovered, to show that Hillary is a crook.

A crook who has managed to keep all evidence of her crookedness hidden for decades now. I would like to ask how many investigations into Hillary Clinton that turn up nothing will have to take place before you admit there was nothing there in the first place?

Hillary then took the extra step of not only deleting those e-mails but made sure they could not be recovered by using "bleach bit" software.

Who had the "Bleach bit!" square on the Bingo board?

Eventually, the dozen or more agencies investigating the e-mails determined that Hillary's rogue server in her house had been hacked by at LEAST 5 different countries and other parties not tied to a government.

Nope. Actually the State department's servers got hacked. There was zero evidence that any of Clinton's private equipment got hacked (hence why Russia didn't release the emails Trump asked for). If anything her equipment was more secure than the government's.
 
Duplicates of many of those e-mails were found on the computer of pedophile Anthony Weiner who is the husband of Huma Abedin (who is Hillary's top aide and rumored lesbian lover).

They were client side copies.

WikiLeaks began publishing batches of these e-mails which were extremely damaging to Hillary.

They weren't in and of themselves. There was nothing remotely damaging in them. All the damage was done because the media kept reporting on emails even though there wasn't a story there. The Hillary Clinton email saga was actually three different things, none of which actually amounted to a real scandal. So for a year and a half all the public heard was "Hillary Clinton something something something emails." And that was the damage.

She wisely didn't even attempt to refute these e-mails, but started waving the "Red Flag" and claiming that Russia was trying to destroy her.
Several times, the head of WikiLeaks stated that the source of the e-mails was NOT a state run agency, NOT Russia.. and Assange has a reputation for never lying.

Of course he does. He has a reputation for being a pathological liar. He will say or do anything for attention. Anywho, the hacking has been confirmed by anyone who looked at the evidence to be obviously Russia's handiwork.


I was going to take the time to reply to Loki100, but he is so full of shit that he doesn't deserve a response. 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but your one line statement in and of itself is a response!  I've noticed while reading the posts for this link as well as the multiple other ones that pertain to President Trump that you are very aggressive and rude in your responses to anyone who fails to agree with you. Personally I found Loki100's response very informative and well thought out.  He dealt with the facts and while he pointed out all the misconceptions you wrote in your post, he was very polite while doing so.  Personally if it had been me responding to your post I would just have pointed out that you're a complete idiot and wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the butt, just like Mr. Trump.  But fortunately for me Loki100 responded in a thoughtful manner and thank you Loki100 for doing so.
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2017, 07:19:10 am »

Here's the facts:
Hillary ILLEGALLY kept a server in her house containing hundreds of thousands of digital documents (which is a Federal Crime).

Nope. It wasn't a crime to have a private server (which, by the by, the government doesn't differentiate from a private email address) in the first place. In fact, the number of people who have private email addresses in government is... more or less everyone of note. Including most people in the current administration. Nor was any

These documents included those from her tenure as Secretary of State during the 2008-2012 tenure of Osama (and Benghazi).
Her house was not a secure location, nor was it safe from cyber attacks, nor did she have permission to do that.
The people Hillary hired to set up her server and maintain it.. and access it, and DELETE things had NO security clearance.
Congress ORDERED Hillary to turn over 30,000 e-mails from that server.
AFTER being ORDERED to turn over the e-mails, Hillary hired a private company with no security clearance to destroy the evidence.
Those actions amount to treason, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, and other crimes - all of which should have her in prison.

Of course none of that ever happened. What actually happened was that she went over all the emails and turned over all the ones that were work related and deleted all the ones that were personal. And she turned over lots of stuff she didn't have to, as anyone who read the emails knows, hence why there are emails asking about the times of TV shows or sending birthday greetings. And, additionally, her emails would be archived by the people she sent them to.

Again, none of this is a crime, and no one before Comey made his announcement (except far right-wing conspiracy sites) thought she was going to be indicted, let alone tried and found guilt.

Trump wanted those e-mails recovered, to show that Hillary is a crook.

A crook who has managed to keep all evidence of her crookedness hidden for decades now. I would like to ask how many investigations into Hillary Clinton that turn up nothing will have to take place before you admit there was nothing there in the first place?

Hillary then took the extra step of not only deleting those e-mails but made sure they could not be recovered by using "bleach bit" software.

Who had the "Bleach bit!" square on the Bingo board?

Eventually, the dozen or more agencies investigating the e-mails determined that Hillary's rogue server in her house had been hacked by at LEAST 5 different countries and other parties not tied to a government. 

Nope. Actually the State department's servers got hacked. There was zero evidence that any of Clinton's private equipment got hacked (hence why Russia didn't release the emails Trump asked for). If anything her equipment was more secure than the government's.
 
Duplicates of many of those e-mails were found on the computer of pedophile Anthony Weiner who is the husband of Huma Abedin (who is Hillary's top aide and rumored lesbian lover).

They were client side copies.

WikiLeaks began publishing batches of these e-mails which were extremely damaging to Hillary.

They weren't in and of themselves. There was nothing remotely damaging in them. All the damage was done because the media kept reporting on emails even though there wasn't a story there. The Hillary Clinton email saga was actually three different things, none of which actually amounted to a real scandal. So for a year and a half all the public heard was "Hillary Clinton something something something emails." And that was the damage.

She wisely didn't even attempt to refute these e-mails, but started waving the "Red Flag" and claiming that Russia was trying to destroy her. 
Several times, the head of WikiLeaks stated that the source of the e-mails was NOT a state run agency, NOT Russia.. and Assange has a reputation for never lying. 

Of course he does. He has a reputation for being a pathological liar. He will say or do anything for attention. Anywho, the hacking has been confirmed by anyone who looked at the evidence to be obviously Russia's handiwork.


I was going to take the time to reply to Loki100, but he is so full of shit that he doesn't deserve a response. 

Bro, this is part and parcel with debate and politics. If you don't want to do it, consider not posting to begin with.

Personally, I think that the Russia witch hunt is red baiting 2.0, and it's both unsurprising and annoying that the Democrats are doing it. That said, and I don't know why I have to say this, but it's possible that both Hillary and Trump are doing dumb fucking shit that deserves investigation.

I don't think Trump is covering up anything more than using the presidency as a glorified platform for his business interests, because at the end of the day he's surprised he even won and he was kinda banking more on losing the presidency so he could do work as a private citizen and spread the Trump brand.

Hillary, my god, she's incredibly corrupt and of course she used a private server to run her own money laundering tit for tat through the Clinton Foundation, and if we had access to those deleted emails we'd see how she ran the State Department as a piggy bank.

Fuck 'em both.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2017, 02:42:56 am »

Well you say follow the money, so why don't you follow the evidence, and where collusion has actually occurred? It just seems like a huge distraction from the REAL story.


We have evidence.  We have a confession from Jr.
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