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« on: June 01, 2017, 07:26:48 am »

I think it's time to talk about the politics and debate subforum.

Looking at that cesspool is just disheartening. I can live with people who have strong emotions, but what is the point of having to scroll through endless threads of people shouting, and cursing and blaming others. Hardly any arguments are made, it's all empt yelling and petty gloating. Maybe it's because I'm not into the political divide that has grabbed Americans, because I don't subscribe to the black and white morality of that system... but dear lord, that forum is a dumpster fire.

All in my humblest of opinions, of course.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 10:55:30 am »

A lot of us feel the same way. I don't bother posting over there since it would feel pointless aside from getting extra seed points.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 03:54:51 pm »

 police It's an active forum section, so it will stay. police


True, in many cases, it's just pathetic name calling.   However, there are some proper discussions, such as the fight for/against free speech.

In most cases, morality can be/is black and white.    Setting someone's hair on fire because they are wearing a Trump hat is extremely evil.   Covering your face and smashing someone over the head with a bike lock because they disagree with you, is extremely evil.  
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 05:53:00 pm »

I have stopped posting there long before the US elections.

Maybe it can be moved to the "rave and rants" forum with the prefix [rants] Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 06:22:00 pm »

I feel like a lot of the threads/comments are being posted by the same people.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 06:37:21 pm »

I've just started posting in there, and it is a dumpster fire because it's allowed to be a dumpster fire.  When I post, I state my argument, linguistic term not meant to illicit emotion, and I let it stand.  If someone starts to act like an emotional baby, I just respond point by point rationally, and they go away.

The problem is both sides are overheated and logic cannot prevail.  Both sides have valid points, but neither is willing to concede any ground whatsoever, whereas the truth in most issues lies somewhere in the middle.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 04:24:10 am »

I would highly encourage the staff to eliminate the politics section. It adds no value to this site and if people want to go discuss politics, there are plenty of sites for it.

While I was posting and reading that forum, it became apparent to me that there was little intention of the members to actually participate in intelligent discussions and it was nothing more than a flame war.

However, there are some proper discussions

Not while I posted there. Looking there now, it hasn't changed. Edit: Actually, it seems worse now.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 04:27:50 am »

Now that you're losing big time and can't handle the realization of how wrong you were?
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 08:17:36 am »


True, in many cases, it's just pathetic name calling.

You are a moderator... why don't you moderate? Everytime we see someone call someone else a libtard, you should hand out infractions. Same goes for Trumplodyte, or conservatard, or whatever the equivalent for libtard is.

Same goes for the constant spamming and contentless posts. There is literally no debate when someone posts what can arguably be called a reply, as a seperate thread. These are management issues, and in the sub "Politics and Debate" there is a lack of management. You can jump high, you can jump low, but tell me what the exact value is of the following topics:

https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50202.0
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50204.0
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50203.0
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50098.0
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50097.0

It's either a hit and run shitpost, dumping a link without context, without arguments, without an actual opinion attached, or it's gloating over an election that ended months ago. Not only that, but if you look into the threads themselves, it's the topic starter who is replying to himself, multi-posting till the cows come home. Some threads have the thread-starter posting 3 messages, with someone else posting one message, and nobody else. So of a 4-post topic, three of the posts belong to the topic-starter.

Take a look at the page, take a look the sub... can you point out even two topics that are NOT about Trump or Hillary?

You can't.

The argument "because it's active" doesn't float either, the activity consists of shitposting, people jumping in dumping something, and then jumping out, or making one-line replies to themselves. It's active, sure, but its the same five people dominating the board with content-less garbage posts, that are repetitive as fuck, because it's the same topic over and over and over again.

So, yeah, dumpsterfire, surrounded by hobos who want to toss another tire onto the fire. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 08:33:47 am »

Quit being such a sensitive Nancy. I bet you're listening to Madonna singing EXPRESS YOURSELF, dancing, and then when it has to do with ACTUALLY expressing something you don't AGREE with personally, it's like OH NO! DON'T EXPRESS YOURSELF. The argument you are stating is total nonsense. People clearly love to express themselves and you just don't want to hear something you disagree with. Whether you like it or not, people are going to, and you are trying to create a "safe space" where you only hear the things you want to hear. I'm sorry but it's stupid.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 09:01:57 am »

Quit being such a sensitive Nancy. I bet you're listening to Madonna singing EXPRESS YOURSELF, dancing, and then when it has to do with ACTUALLY expressing something you don't AGREE with personally, it's like OH NO! DON'T EXPRESS YOURSELF. The argument you are stating is total nonsense. People clearly love to express themselves and you just don't want to hear something you disagree with. Whether you like it or not, people are going to, and you are trying to create a "safe space" where you only hear the things you want to hear. I'm sorry but it's stupid.

Point in case, that is an ad hominem.

if you don't know what that is... that's also called a personal attack.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 09:05:44 am »

So I am calling you out. You are being ridiculous. So what? I think so. I think you are being dumb and silly and have nothing relevant to say other than you don't like what others have to say so you want to try to crybaby and say they shouldn't be able to speak because you don't like what other people have to say. It's stupid. Everyone has a right to say what they want. You telling people that you think others shouldn't have that right is disrespectful and outright silly. Let the people speak and if you don't like it, change the channel.
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 09:17:27 am »

Quit being such a sensitive Nancy.

Sensitive nancy is a non-productive term to diminish the person, not the message. Personal attack #1

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I bet you're listening to Madonna singing EXPRESS YOURSELF, dancing, and then when it has to do with ACTUALLY expressing something you don't AGREE with personally, it's like OH NO! DON'T EXPRESS YOURSELF.

That's an assumption based on absolutely nothing. You have absolutely no clue as to how my views line up with yours or against yours. In fact, I bet you can't even tell you what what I think about American politics, because you haven't read any of the posts I made on the subject. Go ahead, dig through the forum, I'll wait... and again, by describing me as someone listening to Madonna, and dancing, you're venturing close to personal attack #2.

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The argument you are stating is total nonsense.

I think you don't even know the argument that I'm making. Surprise me. Summarise the argument you think I'm making.

Also, stating that an argument is "total nonsense" is not a counter-argument. Its a statement that is dismissing any message, without having to respond to it.

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  People clearly love to express themselves and you just don't want to hear something you disagree with.


That's not what I'm saying AT ALL. But hey, nice misrepresentation of what I'm saying. My argument is about quality. About people not replying to themselves four times in a row, to not pump-and-dump threads where people create threads that have no opening post beyond a link, or beyond petty yelling. My argument is that people should think about how they post, and what they post, before dumping Trump/Hillary-is-Evil thread #4657392 onto the forum.

And again, you make an assumption that I don't want to hear a different opinion, that's personal attack #3.

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Whether you like it or not, people are going to, and you are trying to create a "safe space" where you only hear the things you want to hear. I'm sorry but it's stupid.

The only one trying to create a "safe space" is you. Namely a place where youcan dump whatever you want, without any sense of style or decorum, you want to yell at clouds angrily, go ahead. Just don't use the subforum for that, tumblr is a better place. A forum labelled debate, needs debate. Debate has rules, rules need to be followed.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 09:42:05 am »

Shut up! I was saying "I bet you're dancing to EXPRESS YOURSELF," not because I thought you ACTUALLY were. It was a statement, you idiot. It was me saying HEY YOU ARE BEING A HYPOCRITE. God! Why do I have to explain things on such a base level to these morons!!!! This doesn't even have anything to do with the subject!!! Why are they trying so hard to just not answer the questions!!!
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 10:24:51 am »

 police tone down the language  police
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2017, 02:48:51 pm »

"Tone the language down?"  There is no "debate" in these threads. No one can think that is taking place. Do they?  This has become a sad state of affairs on this board. People hiding behind their computer screens spewing whatever they want.

On a personal note. As someone with a family member with Down Syndrome anytime the word "tard" is used in any form added to any other word is offensive and hurtful but would any of the people using it here even care? Now some of you will probably make a comment about me being a liberal for being politically correct but until you hear someone call someone you love a retard or "tard" to their face and or in passing "tard" is up there with any other derogatory word.


Sad what is happening/happened to GT.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2017, 05:26:10 pm »

I agree that the moderators should crack down on the "tard" language. There's nothing clever about calling someone a "libtard" or "conservatard" and implying there's something shameful with being "retarded".   It's a childish insult. 
It's similar to appending "fag" to a word to make something disparaging by implying that to be gay is something shameful.

Anyone who knows someone with Downs Syndrome knows how mean and spiteful that cheap "tard" insult is.  The people I've met with Down's Syndrome are good people have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike the twisted angry individuals who use their prejudices about a condition as a cheap shot to try and hurt someone's feelings.

I wish I could just block the entire politics and debate forum from my home screen.  There are things there in the subject lines that are more offensive scat or straight porn, and I can block those in my settings.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 05:27:23 pm »

Shut up!

Should I point out the hypocrisy of you telling someone to shut up?

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HEY YOU ARE BEING A HYPOCRITE.

That is a claim I am asking you to prove. Give me actual proof that I am a hypocrit, go ahead... I will wait. This is what is a debate is about. Providing proof of claims made. If you cannot provide proof, I will accept your concession.

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Why are they trying so hard to just not answer the questions!!!

Meanwhile I asked you a couple of questions... which you haven't answered yet. And you haven't actually asked any questions that can be answered.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 06:31:24 pm »

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Sad what is happening/happened to GT.

It's a reflection of the outside world we live in. 

At least no one is bashing people over the head with bike locks or setting someone's hair on fire.
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