Why liberals love so much islam?
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« on: June 06, 2017, 01:58:09 pm »

Islam is like the opposite of liberalism, in the islamic world women are literally considered like objects and gays are condemned to death penalty or years in prison (and in most countries homosexuality is illegal). So why all the left-wing liberal politicians both in eu and usa seem to be so tolerant toward this religion? It doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 03:02:43 pm »

Some on the extreme left hate anything to do with the establishment, and therefore like to see the introduction of a little anarchy. OTOH some on the extreme right seem to be rather militantly islamic in their worldviews (extreme conservatism, conspiracy theorist, totalitarian etc.)
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2017, 03:05:30 pm »

It's rooted in inter-sectionality and virtue signaling, along with a lot of anti white hatred.    

If you don't hate white people and are POC, then you are a race traitor.  

If you don't hate whites and you are white, then you are the most evil piece of shit to ever exist.  
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2017, 03:15:33 pm »

It disgusts me when people on the right want to persecute peaceful Muslims, ban their books, close their mosques, etc. Sickening that this is the world we live in.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2017, 03:18:51 pm »

Clearly you live under a rock. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 03:27:10 pm »

A lot of the right wing doesn't get that Islam is separate from the culture in the Arab world, some Arab countries are more repressive (conservative) and implement policies that require women to wear burqas, while some Arab countries are more liberal when compared to their conservative counterparts and don't require the burqa.

The right wing will point that they know Islam, but I doubt they have ever taken a course in world religions, or have ever spoken to an Imam. But, they will cherry pick portions of the Quran that fit their anti-Islamic narrative.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 03:44:38 pm »

Aren't you cherry picking by refusing to admit that the quran has some evil shit in it? 

The Guardian is an ultra left UK "news"paper has an article about a survey of muslims.   Half of muslims in the UK say that homosexuality should be illegal. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 03:54:01 pm »

Aren't you cherry picking by refusing to admit that the quran has some evil shit in it? 

The Guardian is an ultra left UK "news"paper has an article about a survey of muslims.   Half of muslims in the UK say that homosexuality should be illegal. 

Not sure what you mean by "evil", but I will say that Religions like Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have religious texts that could be considered extreme.

"Half of muslims in the UK say that homosexuality should be illegal." So what? Half of UK Muslims don't represent an entire religion of varying sects.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2017, 04:12:51 pm »

People are worried about the rise of militant Islam though, and not without reason. Open slather migration from islamic countries hasn't seemed to achieve anything useful, westerners are less secure, and strictish Muslims feel highly uncomfortable with western norms. I realize that Anglo-American foreign policy and military interventions have contributed to this, but it's fair to say that Islam is not a force for good anywhere on the planet. Realize I'm generalizing, but wherever Islam is entrenched,
1. Human rights are diminished, especially the rights of women and minorities
2. Weird repressions and abuses are evident, such as taboos on touching women in public, widespread molesting of young boys (e.g. bacha bazi), right to marry prepubescent girls (see 1)
3. General and inexplicable acts of terror, often against coreligionists.

Now whether or not American neocons 'get' the quran, certainly ISIS feel they do and can quote plenty of textual support in their favour...
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2017, 04:37:32 pm »

The left knows these so called refugees will vote for them.  It also pushes the left's agenda forward of progress toward communism where the working man is taxed to death to pay for others who refuse to work he'll eventually need government assistance.  Obama's plant to fundamentally transform America is to eliminate the middle class.  If the left gets its way we'll all be living in cities in the same shitty projects.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2017, 05:11:27 pm »

Isn't it the same for all of the Abrahamic religions? They promote all sort of evils, are hypocritical and are the cause of the majority of homophobia in the world.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2017, 05:19:25 pm »

Mohamed married a 6yo and fucked her when she was 9yo.    Like the old creepy slogan, "old enough to bleed, enough to breed".   

We also had the issue of US and UK soldiers getting in trouble in Afghanistan for complaining about their custom of fucking young boys.

As already pointed out, ISIS has direct quotes from the quran on their side to justify their deeds. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2017, 05:44:09 pm »

Mohamed married a 6yo and fucked her when she was 9yo.    Like the old creepy slogan, "old enough to bleed, enough to breed".   

We also had the issue of US and UK soldiers getting in trouble in Afghanistan for complaining about their custom of fucking young boys.

As already pointed out, ISIS has direct quotes from the quran on their side to justify their deeds. 

Okay, so you just pivoted from you point about Islam being anti-gay, which I challenged and you brought no opposition to.

Now, you are claiming that Islam promotes pedophilia, which is not true. Many of the old religious texts were written at a time where the average human life span was very young compared to now. To compare their standards to our mother standards does not do it any justice.

We could go back and forth over this, but you've brought little, if any evidence at all as to why Islam is any worse verses any other Abrahamic faith.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 06:19:56 pm »

I'm against any form of religious extremism/fundamentalism. I don't think it is just to say that Islam its self is an extremist religion.

The truth is most people who follow Islam, or any of the Abrahamic faiths don't necessarily follow the text as it is written, and their is usually an emphasis on "figurative language" used in the text.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2017, 06:47:52 pm »

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Not sure what you mean by "evil", but I will say that Religions like Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have religious texts that could be considered extreme.

The HUGE difference : the religious text like the bible is the word of men and so can be interpreted. The religious  text of islam is the direct word of God hence cant be interpreted.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2017, 07:04:47 pm »

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Not sure what you mean by "evil", but I will say that Religions like Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have religious texts that could be considered extreme.

The HUGE difference : the religious text like the bible is the word of men and so can be interpreted. The religious  text of islam is the direct word of God hence cant be interpreted.

Do you know that texts from the bible are shared by Islam? For example, the creation story and stories in Genesis.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2017, 07:29:23 pm »

Islam is extremely anti gay.    Name a non muslim country that has the death penalty for being gay.   

Spin it how you want, but Mohamed married a 6yo and fucked her when she was 9yo.   That is a fact and your justifications won't change that.

I'm not sure why you are being a muslim apologist. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2017, 10:11:57 pm »

Islam is extremely anti gay.    Name a non muslim country that has the death penalty for being gay.   

Spin it how you want, but Mohamed married a 6yo and fucked her when she was 9yo.   That is a fact and your justifications won't change that.

I'm not sure why you are being a muslim apologist. 

Well.. he DID wait 3 years before he fucked her.   laugh

Muhammad also had sex with young men and boys..
http://www.siotw.org/news_english.item.11/mohammed-and-the-young-pearly-boys.html
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2017, 01:13:52 am »

I'm a liberal blue state resident and I don't "love" islam or know any non-muslim here who "loves" islam.  I would describe liberals' opinion towards islam as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Liberals think that terrorists are scum that should be killed, the more the better.  We also think people who are jerks to muslims who aren't committing any crimes are pretty bad people.  Because being a big jerk to anyone who isn't committing a crime is a jerk move.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2017, 02:14:35 am »

Christianity doesn't call for the murder of gays. Whilst the west is importing Muslims, more atrocities will occur. Because 'some people' insist that 'all faiths are the same', there can be no 'discrimination' in migrant intake, whereas blind freddy can tell you that certain types of migrants will commit more of certain types of crimes, ergo those of an islamic background are behind the phenomenal spike in mass killings in Europe. Yet for some, merely to identify this fact is 'islamophobia'
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