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« on: June 10, 2017, 02:22:27 pm »

I wanted to write this because of how much I've been seeing the politics thread show up on the sites home page.

I consider myself to be much more liberal with my world views right now, but unlike a lot of people I try to focus on the views and ideas being discussed more than the people being discussed. I see people freaking the fuck out all the time about Trump, whether it's his supporters bashing liberals and calling them all sorts of names, or liberals making a spectacle about something he said or did which may or may not be offensive, depending on your own personal views. If people would start to focus more on the issues being debated and less on the people, things could improve faster and there would be more focus on things that matter. Who the fuck cares about the person, care about the ideals and beliefs being pushed forward because that actually affects peoples lives.

A big one I've noticed all over the place lately is the Kathy Griffith thing. She was just as wrong as everyone who was involved in the burning of Obama effigies back when he was elected. Only major difference is she's famous, so people made it a huge media sensation. Both are wrong, or if you support one of them then you gotta support both or you're a hypocrite.

Another hot topic is equality rights and social services, and who should have access to what. Something I see a lot is anti abortion discussions, while also seeing laws trying to get passed that are denying free healthcare supports to prevent the pregnancies in the first place. If a woman doesn't want to have a kid, can't afford a kid, but is forced to have it anyway.. that's just fucked up. There are enough kids in unfortunate situations already, why support any policies that are forcing people to have more? Why support any policy that takes control away from a women about their own body? It's their body to decide what to do with.

Sorry if this got a little long, I'm just trying to get people to stop jumping down each other's throats for petty shit and to start working towards actually improving things in both their own countries and globally where possible. I tried to avoid using political labels because It's not someone's political label that makes them a shitty person, it's their own beliefs. I know that sounds obvious but just look through the last few pages of posts on here and you'll see a lot of generalization and bashing against entire groups of people, and not against just the ideas and why they are good or bad. I know a lot of people are more in the middle, and don't believe in the "far left" or "far right" policies, so there's definitely lots of room for discussion about how to improve America or any other country that you may reside in. Calling all liberals stupid is never going to help fix anything, just like constant attacks on conservatives and/or Trump isn't going to help either. There's so much hate already, stop adding to this shit and find some common ground to work towards.
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 02:38:16 pm »

Another hot topic is equality rights and social services, and who should have access to what. Something I see a lot is anti abortion discussions, while also seeing laws trying to get passed that are denying free healthcare supports to prevent the pregnancies in the first place. If a woman doesn't want to have a kid, can't afford a kid, but is forced to have it anyway.. that's just fucked up. There are enough kids in unfortunate situations already, why support any policies that are forcing people to have more? Why support any policy that takes control away from a women about their own body? It's their body to decide what to do with.
The abortion issue should NOT be what is determining who is leading the country, but it has become very close to that.  A massive amount of Hillary's support came from women who want to protect their god given right to have as many guilt-free, taxpayer paid for, abortions on demand as they want.  There are far too many bitches having abortions.  I agree that having an abortion in the first trimester is better than crippling many lives in the future.. however.. Hillary was boldly defending the right to have an abortion up until the very day of delivery!  That is NUTS.  If a woman hasn't made her mind up by 6 months.. well.. you waited too long bitch.  How's this for an idea?  What if the man doesn't want the baby?  Should he be allowed to force the girl to have an abortion?  If not, should he be allowed to disavow himself of any responsibility for the baby? 
Breeders are quite often fucked up in the head.  Who could stick their dick in a vagina, knowing that a baby could result, and they have no intention of keeping that baby?  SICK! 

There are some things that should NOT be political issues.. religion is one.. abortion is another..

By the way.. what triggers the messages from this group to show up on the front page of the site?
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2017, 02:38:24 pm »

 I agree, I'm more left of center and would like to have some common ground.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2017, 02:40:58 pm »

I agree, I'm more left of center and would like to have some common ground.

You are way left Sutieday!

If you want some common ground, you can start by getting your facts straight, stop spamming, stop clicking "thumbs down" on everyone that you don't like regardless of what they post, stop making things up, and stop lying.

I know damn well you put that "Thumbs Down" on the message I just posted, and you will do the same with this one Sutieday. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2017, 02:43:07 pm »

I agree, I'm more left of center and would like to have some common ground.

You are way left Sutieday!

If you want some common ground, you can start by getting your facts straight, stop spamming, stop clicking "thumbs down" on everyone that you don't like regardless of what they post, stop making things up, and stop lying.

Posts like these are why it's difficult to find any common ground. People claiming they want free speech until it goes against them.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2017, 02:59:51 pm »

I agree, I'm more left of center and would like to have some common ground.

You are way left Sutieday!

If you want some common ground, you can start by getting your facts straight, stop spamming, stop clicking "thumbs down" on everyone that you don't like regardless of what they post, stop making things up, and stop lying.


Posts like these are why it's difficult to find any common ground. People claiming they want free speech until it goes against them.

Who said I don't want free speech?  I'm not allowed to have free speech because of underage dweebs such as yourself constantly complaining.  Yes.. I know.  There are words I'm not allowed to say, and topics I'm not allowed to comment about.. because they hurt your little feelings when you are wrong - which is all the time.

By the way, free speech does NOT include blatantly lying about things and making up your one imaginary facts - which is what you always do.

Moonbats demand that everybody else plays nicely and obeys the rules.. but they also demand to have the right to do whatever they want and get away with it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2017, 03:41:56 pm »

The abortion issue should NOT be what is determining who is leading the country, but it has become very close to that.  A massive amount of Hillary's support came from women who want to protect their god given right to have as many guilt-free, taxpayer paid for, abortions on demand as they want.  There are far too many bitches having abortions.  I agree that having an abortion in the first trimester is better than crippling many lives in the future.. however.. Hillary was boldly defending the right to have an abortion up until the very day of delivery!  That is NUTS.  If a woman hasn't made her mind up by 6 months.. well.. you waited too long bitch.  How's this for an idea?  What if the man doesn't want the baby?  Should he be allowed to force the girl to have an abortion?  If not, should he be allowed to disavow himself of any responsibility for the baby? 
Breeders are quite often fucked up in the head.  Who could stick their dick in a vagina, knowing that a baby could result, and they have no intention of keeping that baby?  SICK! 

There are some things that should NOT be political issues.. religion is one.. abortion is another..

By the way.. what triggers the messages from this group to show up on the front page of the site?

I agree abortion should not be the main political driving force, but sadly it seems to be a constant issue. It would make the most sense if abortions were still government funded but there was a limit to it so people couldn't abuse the system. This way everyone has access to it and there's protection against abuse. There always needs to be checks for government benefit systems so people can't abuse them. Having proper preventative care available to people to stop the pregnancies is the easiest way to stop the abortions.

I also agree abortions should not be allowed past 4-5 months. Unless it's going to cause serious health problems to the mother or baby if it's carried to term, and these issues aren't known prior, people shouldn't be aborting in trimester 3.

Mens involvement and responsibilities if they don't want the baby is a messy situation I haven't thought about too much, but most people seem to be fine with going along with the "if you consent to creating it you consent to caring for it", even if it was conceived accidentally.

The most recent forum threads with activity all show up on the home page and the login page. I noticed recently it has been dominated by political discussion which I thought was weird since this is a place for gay porn torrents.   
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 04:19:15 pm »

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The most recent forum threads with activity all show up on the home page and the login page. I noticed recently it has been dominated by political discussion which I thought was weird since this is a place for gay porn torrents.  

Just because I like gay porn doesn't mean I'm not interested in politics and vice versa.

Clearly, politics is much more popular than the other forum sections.   
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 05:18:26 pm »

Common ground is extremely difficult to achieve when people refuse to see other viewpoints. For example, I have condemned awful behavior on the left even though I am liberal. I have yet to see any condemnation by members here who are more right or center-right on awful behavior on the right. I've literally prompted people to see if they would condemn disgusting acts committed by people on the right and every single time there was zero condemnation. Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2017, 05:36:54 pm »

Common ground is extremely difficult to achieve when people refuse to see other viewpoints. For example, I have condemned awful behavior on the left even though I am liberal. I have yet to see any condemnation by members here who are more right or center-right on awful behavior on the right. I've literally prompted people to see if they would condemn disgusting acts committed by people on the right and every single time there was zero condemnation. Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

Same here, I thought what Kathy Griffin did was appalling, but it was a form a free speech. The right, especially on this forum, does not condemn violent anti-muslim/minority violence on their side and just avoids discussing it.

Also there is a lot of shilling for better Putin/Trump relations, even though Putin's country oppresses gays.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 06:19:43 pm »

Another hot topic is equality rights and social services, and who should have access to what. Something I see a lot is anti abortion discussions, while also seeing laws trying to get passed that are denying free healthcare supports to prevent the pregnancies in the first place. If a woman doesn't want to have a kid, can't afford a kid, but is forced to have it anyway.. that's just fucked up. There are enough kids in unfortunate situations already, why support any policies that are forcing people to have more? Why support any policy that takes control away from a women about their own body? It's their body to decide what to do with.
The abortion issue should NOT be what is determining who is leading the country, but it has become very close to that.  A massive amount of Hillary's support came from women who want to protect their god given right to have as many guilt-free, taxpayer paid for, abortions on demand as they want.  There are far too many bitches having abortions.  I agree that having an abortion in the first trimester is better than crippling many lives in the future. however.. Hillary was boldly defending the right to have an abortion up until the very day of delivery!  That is NUTS.  If a woman hasn't made her mind up by 6 months.. well.. you waited too long bitch.  How's this for an idea?  What if the man doesn't want the baby?  Should he be allowed to force the girl to have an abortion?  If not, should he be allowed to disavow himself of any responsibility for the baby? 
Breeders are quite often fucked up in the head.  Who could stick their dick in a vagina, knowing that a baby could result, and they have no intention of keeping that baby?  SICK! 

There are some things that should NOT be political issues.. religion is one.. abortion is another..

By the way.. what triggers the messages from this group to show up on the front page of the site?


I guess the first thing I should do is BEG you to do a little reading, watch a news program other than the ilk of Breitbart/Fox News/Etc. The biggest problem we have right now is the dissemination of false and misleading information (and yes I'm sure it happens on all sides, but for now I'm going to focus on your statement)


"The abortion issue should NOT be what is determining who is leading the country, but it has become very close to that" I believe you're right ONLY in the fact that abortion shouldn't be the only issue as the U.S. has SOOOOO many other issues that should be included with abortion./ BUT abortion is a hot button issue and should be included in this discussion. Why? Because to strip away Roe V. Wade would lead to the death and illness of COUNTLESS women - we've seen that through history outlawing something NEVER stopped it, think speakeasies during prohibition (which lead to a huge spike in violent crimes) and the illegalization of homosexuality (which lead to police beatings, and killings by both police and civilians) Look up the film "If these Walls Could Talk" and see the repercussions of not only illegal abortions but also the backlash of certain groups who strongly opposed the legalization (and these are true stories reenacted by actors)

Planned Parenthood provided MULTIPLE medical services for women. ONE percent of that is abortions and thanks to recent laws NO Federal funds can be used for those abortions (PLEASE look u the Hyde Amendment) so the only thing defunding planned parenthood will do is stop women from getting STI testing and treatment, breast and cervical scans that will hopefully stop cancer before it can kill these poor women who usually have no insurance or insurance that doesn't cover these services. So Hillary's "tax free abortions" is a load of BS. Also she doesn't support full term abortions. She is not advocating the murder of babies. Late term abortions are only permissible "Jen Gunter, an OBGYN who trained in late-term abortions, pointed out on Twitter, “There is no such thing as a ninth month abortion.” Those who seek late-term abortions are seeking them before a pregnancy reaches full term but often and unfortunately after they have discovered in the second or third trimester some problem with the fetus or danger to the mother." NO ONE is ripping out (to anyone's knowledge) healthy full tern children and then doing whatever murder technique is being lauded about out there.

I also find it hilarious that the same people that scream about "all babies should be born" are the VERY SAME people who show no support for a single program that would keep that child alive once it IS born! (I think we both agree on that one)

Religion is also an issue ONLY in the sense that we as a government are supposed to stay out of religion (within reason so long as a church is not breaking a law) and the CVhurch is supposed to stay put of law - but we see quite clearly that isn't happening when public organizations/bussinesses/government officials are given rights to discriminate based on religion not to mention the recent influx of religious freedom laws that protect people from religious presecution (really only Catholics/Christians since we have NO problem going after Muslims)



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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 06:42:12 pm »

Common ground is extremely difficult to achieve when people refuse to see other viewpoints. For example, I have condemned awful behavior on the left even though I am liberal. I have yet to see any condemnation by members here who are more right or center-right on awful behavior on the right. I've literally prompted people to see if they would condemn disgusting acts committed by people on the right and every single time there was zero condemnation. Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

I was the first person to call out the violence by both sides.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 09:14:50 pm »

Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

It is literally only you condemning bad behavior on the left, from the left.  The majority of "your side" refuses to say anything.  Also, you've yet to say anything on Evergreen.  If you want "the right" to condemn something post a link here. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2017, 10:05:11 pm »

Democrats still haven't woken up yet.  There's a culture war going on between the stupid and the smart.  There are tens of millions of people, manipulated by the rich and powerful, fighting to drag the world back to the dark ages.  Democrats need to realize that being "smart" or "right" isn't enough, they have to fight and win.

Democrats have 68% of the economy, they give 300 billion in federal taxes to republican states.  Kentucky needs handouts from New York to survive - democrats need to stop enabling republicans.

No compromise, no common ground.  Don't be friends with republicans, don't hire republicans, don't shop anywhere that has a Trump sign.  Don't fix the opiod crisis, every one that dies is one less Republican stealing your Democrat money.  Republicans, the party of stupid, must be defeated anywhere and everywhere their fascist ideology takes hold.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2017, 10:30:06 pm »

Democrats still haven't woken up yet.  There's a culture war going on between the stupid and the smart.  There are tens of millions of people, manipulated by the rich and powerful, fighting to drag the world back to the dark ages.  Democrats need to realize that being "smart" or "right" isn't enough, they have to fight and win.

Democrats have 68% of the economy, they give 300 billion in federal taxes to republican states.  Kentucky needs handouts from New York to survive - democrats need to stop enabling republicans.

No compromise, no common ground.  Don't be friends with republicans, don't hire republicans, don't shop anywhere that has a Trump sign.  Don't fix the opiod crisis, every one that dies is one less Republican stealing your Democrat money.  Republicans, the party of stupid, must be defeated anywhere and everywhere their fascist ideology takes hold.

It is true, that some of the poorest states in the USA are run by Republicans.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2017, 11:02:49 pm »

The abortion issue should NOT be what is determining who is leading the country, but it has become very close to that.  A massive amount of Hillary's support came from women who want to protect their god given right to have as many guilt-free, taxpayer paid for, abortions on demand as they want.  There are far too many bitches having abortions. 

Again, a conservative myth. You are pretending that abortions are commonplace, and that women would rather get an abortion than use a condom.

That is just INSANE.

Stop and think about the insane things you believe about other human beings, and realize that since they are so insane, they are probably not true!



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I agree that having an abortion in the first trimester is better than crippling many lives in the future.. however.. Hillary was boldly defending the right to have an abortion up until the very day of delivery!  That is NUTS.

Yes, it's nuts. and it's a lie. It is a lie told by right-wing media, one of so many that you blindly believe as long as it makes Hillary look bad. What she, and all rational people, support is partial birth abortions in incredibly rare and critical cases where the life of the mother is in danger.


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There are some things that should NOT be political issues.. religion is one.. abortion is another..

Correct- that is why the issue should be up to the pregnant woman or girl to decide, not any of is.
THe ONLY rational position is pro-choice.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2017, 11:08:16 pm »

It's hard to have a reasoned conversation with people who have been trained to shut down their critical thinking and instead recite talking points, blindly defend their side, and make broad brush insults at large groups of people they disagree with. People also need to be willing and able to try to grasp the other side's point of view, at least for the sake of argument, but that again requires reflection and thought, which is anathama to many people. This is true of both the left and the right (certainly in the USA). Even when I meet people like this that I at least partially agree with, talking with them is sort of numbing because of this zombie-like mentality.

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You are way left Sutieday!

Who said I don't want free speech?  I'm not allowed to have free speech because of underage dweebs such as yourself constantly complaining.  Yes.. I know.  There are words I'm not allowed to say, and topics I'm not allowed to comment about.. because they hurt your little feelings when you are wrong - which is all the time.

By the way, free speech does NOT include blatantly lying about things and making up your one imaginary facts - which is what you always do.

Moonbats demand that everybody else plays nicely and obeys the rules.. but they also demand to have the right to do whatever they want and get away with it.

You left out the word "libtard." You're slipping.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2017, 11:20:07 pm »

Therefore, it's only me condemning bad behavior on the left and absolutely no one but fellow liberals condemning bad behavior on the right. That has to change or we can't even start to reach common ground in this forum. It cannot be this one-sided.

It is literally only you condemning bad behavior on the left, from the left.  The majority of "your side" refuses to say anything.  Also, you've yet to say anything on Evergreen.  If you want "the right" to condemn something post a link here. 

Nope, I've posted bad behavior from those on the right and there was ZERO condemnation by those on here who consider themselves conservative. Instead, I've seen either a doubling-down of the bad behavior or complete deflection from the topic. And at least I am condemning bad behavior by those on the left, even if it's just me. There are NO conservative or conservative-leaners on here that will do the same for bad behavior on the right.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2017, 12:27:51 am »

It is true, that some of the poorest states in the USA are run by Republicans.
Red states are poorer than blue states
Red states are less educated and more stupid than blue states
Red states are fatter than blue states
Red states are more diseased with diabetes than blue states
Red states are more addicted to opioids than blue states
Red states' people die younger than blue states

Republicans are the party of stupid, the party of failure, the party of addiction and early death.  Yet we give them 300 billion in free federal money from blue state taxpayers.  We can use that money to pass universal healthcare for everyone in blue states and let the red state-ers die off in their short miserable lives.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2017, 12:48:10 am »

It is true, that some of the poorest states in the USA are run by Republicans.
Red states are poorer than blue states
Red states are less educated and more stupid than blue states
Red states are fatter than blue states
Red states are more diseased with diabetes than blue states
Red states are more addicted to opioids than blue states
Red states' people die younger than blue states

Republicans are the party of stupid, the party of failure, the party of addiction and early death.  Yet we give them 300 billion in free federal money from blue state taxpayers.  We can use that money to pass universal healthcare for everyone in blue states and let the red state-ers die off in their short miserable lives.

You forgot to mention the richest blue states (California and New York) make up a large percentage of the U.S. GDP. California also produces most of America's food. Without them the US would be nothing.
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