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« on: June 12, 2017, 03:18:29 am »

Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly in favor of statehood on Sunday in a referendum that begins the steps toward sending representatives to Washington, D.C.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 97 percent voted for statehood, though turnout was only about 23 percent. One and a half percent voted for independence from the United States, according to Decision Desk HQ, while 1.3 percent voted to keep the current status of a territory of the United States.

Hahaha Trumpkins! A new Democrat state coming! Republicans will never win again!!! HAHAHA!

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/337347-puerto-rico-votes-in-favor-of-statehood
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 05:08:40 am »

Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly in favor of statehood on Sunday in a referendum that begins the steps toward sending representatives to Washington, D.C.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 97 percent voted for statehood, though turnout was only about 23 percent. One and a half percent voted for independence from the United States, according to Decision Desk HQ, while 1.3 percent voted to keep the current status of a territory of the United States.

Hahaha Trumpkins! A new Democrat state coming! Republicans will never win again!!! HAHAHA!

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/337347-puerto-rico-votes-in-favor-of-statehood


3 electoral votes for Puerto Rico would not mean diddly squat.  By the way, the reason Puerto Rico now wants to be a state is because they are bankrupt.

Trump won the 2016 election with 306 to 232 electoral votes.   When you factor in the electors that flipped, that comes to (306 -3 + 5) to (232 + 2 -5)   or 308 to 229.. a difference of 79 electoral votes.  Trump got 35% more electoral votes than Hillary, which is astonishing because all the polls had her winning by 20%.   A gap of 55%!  Looks like the polls were quite WRONG. 

Anyway.. take you 3 electoral votes and stuff them.  he won by 79 electoral votes.

It's interesting that the big push for electors to change their votes backfired.  Eight electors attempted to flip their vote from Hillary - with 5 succeeding.  Three electors attempted to flip their votes from Trump - with 2 succeeding and 1 more that resigned rather than cast a vote that nobody got.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 05:28:24 am »

Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly in favor of statehood on Sunday in a referendum that begins the steps toward sending representatives to Washington, D.C.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 97 percent voted for statehood, though turnout was only about 23 percent. One and a half percent voted for independence from the United States, according to Decision Desk HQ, while 1.3 percent voted to keep the current status of a territory of the United States.

Hahaha Trumpkins! A new Democrat state coming! Republicans will never win again!!! HAHAHA!

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/337347-puerto-rico-votes-in-favor-of-statehood


3 electoral votes for Puerto Rico would not mean diddly squat.  By the way, the reason Puerto Rico now wants to be a state is because they are bankrupt.

Trump won the 2016 election with 306 to 232 electoral votes.   When you factor in the electors that flipped, that comes to (306 -3 + 5) to (232 + 2 -5)   or 308 to 229.. a difference of 79 electoral votes.  Trump got 35% more electoral votes than Hillary, which is astonishing because all the polls had her winning by 20%.   A gap of 55%!  Looks like the polls were quite WRONG. 

Anyway.. take you 3 electoral votes and stuff them.  he won by 79 electoral votes.

It's interesting that the big push for electors to change their votes backfired.  Eight electors attempted to flip their vote from Hillary - with 5 succeeding.  Three electors attempted to flip their votes from Trump - with 2 succeeding and 1 more that resigned rather than cast a vote that nobody got.


You are forgetting that Puerto rico would get 5 reps in Congress, which will definitely upset the republicans! Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 05:50:07 am »

Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 06:41:32 am »

Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

Welp, USA and colonialism goes hand in hand.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 07:26:31 am »

OMG sutieday, are you serious? You're embarrassing humanity. How can you be so misinformed? You really don't actually know anything, do you?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2017, 09:12:00 am »

Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

I remember that long ago, Puerto Rico consistently resisted becoming a state.  I'm not sure that they can become a state just because they want to become a state. 

I'm sure that all flag manufacturers would love it.. so they could sell new flags to everybody.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2017, 09:21:08 am »

As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.   
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2017, 11:23:02 am »

As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.   

Just like we bail out the red states!
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2017, 11:52:54 am »

You don't bail out anyone. We all bail out each other. It's socialist to a degree like that. You just want to spread it so thin that it won't be possible anymore and you won't realize it until it collapses. God, so asinine.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2017, 12:49:37 pm »

As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.   

Just like we bail out the red states!

Tax payers subsidize heating for the North East, which includes blue states.   

We don't subsidize heating for other parts and definitely we don't subsidize cooling. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2017, 12:05:23 am »

You don't bail out anyone. We all bail out each other. It's socialist to a degree like that. You just want to spread it so thin that it won't be possible anymore and you won't realize it until it collapses. God, so asinine.

Nice, contradiction mate!
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2017, 04:09:08 am »

Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

Why boycott?  Isn't voting against it a better idea?

Also, why do they hold elections on Sunday? Wouldn't a weekday election be better since elections are usually held in schools and people bring their kids to schools?  What am I missing?
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2017, 05:16:48 am »

Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

Why boycott?  Isn't voting against it a better idea?

Also, why do they hold elections on Sunday? Wouldn't a weekday election be better since elections are usually held in schools and people bring their kids to schools?  What am I missing?

The boycotters were essentially recognizing the futility of the referendum, as Congress has failed to act on previous referenda favoring statehood. https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/19860/why-would-people-protest-the-puerto-rico-statehood-referendum-by-boycotting
Having it on a Sunday probably was to increase turnout.  In Puerto Rico, the voting process is very different then here.  The voters check into a room and the doors are closed and then everyone votes by paper ballot.  The entire process can take 4 hours or more.  If it were held on a weekday, people would have to miss work.  Also as I mentioned, about 50% support statehood, so they turned out less than half of their base.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2017, 05:24:18 am »

As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.   
There has been a strong statehood movement in Puerto Rico for more than 50 years.  The main argument is based more on security than economics.  Most Puerto Ricans would suffer financially under statehood since they would be liable to pay federal taxes.  Under the no taxation without representation concept, they are exempt from federal taxes now.
It could be argued that statehood with give them protection under Title 9 of the bankruptcy clause, but Congress could do that alone by law.  There is certainly no guarantee that statehood would prompt a bailout.  Remember President Ford and NYC?
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2017, 06:00:59 am »

As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.   
There has been a strong statehood movement in Puerto Rico for more than 50 years.  The main argument is based more on security than economics.  Most Puerto Ricans would suffer financially under statehood since they would be liable to pay federal taxes.  Under the no taxation without representation concept, they are exempt from federal taxes now.
It could be argued that statehood with give them protection under Title 9 of the bankruptcy clause, but Congress could do that alone by law.  There is certainly no guarantee that statehood would prompt a bailout.  Remember President Ford and NYC?

You hit the nail on the head there...    NOT being a state makes them exempt from Federal taxes, and who wants to pay taxes?   A LOT of people move to Florida to avoid state taxes. 
One thing about taxes.. tax RATES should technically never change.   However, in Florida, the sales tax used to be 4%, and now it is typically 7% 

I think the conditions now that make Puerto Rico WANT to be a state are the same reason why they won't become a state anytime soon.  They need to be more enthusiastic about being a state when they are not in a state of bankruptcy. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2017, 11:29:15 am »

it's basically another hawaii meaning it wont do squat in the grand scheme of things. christ you lib***** are desperate for any shred of hope


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