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« on: June 28, 2017, 06:59:38 am »

There were all sorts of allegations about the election being rigged by different groups - including the DNC that blatantly stole the nomination away from Bernie Sanders.  Donald Trump pointed out how their was fraud on BOTH sides of the campaign which was all working to prevent him from being the nominee, and after being the nominee to prevent him from being elected.  Trump also pointed out that the election was rigged against Bernie.  It's safe to say that there was a lot of allegations being made, some of them provable, some needed to be investigated, etc. 

BUT Obama did NOTHING!
Why?
Because it was universally expected that Hillary would win the election easily.. in a landslide.  Obama wasn't about to risk doing anything at all because that might change the lead that Hillary THOUGHT she had. 
In other words, rather than do the right thing, and what he was obligated to do.  Obama chose to IGNORE all the allegations just to play it safe and preserve Hillary's lead.  Well. that plan BACKFIRED!
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 07:02:42 am »

He was in on it. Liberals always blame Conservatives for what they are doing. Rules for Radicals. That's their playbook.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 08:06:18 am »

He was in on it. Liberals always blame Conservatives for what they are doing. Rules for Radicals. That's their playbook.
He was in on what? The Russian meddling?  Are you starting to believe the wackiness of our President?  Really, he could say the moon is made of cheese and you guys would be calling for import taxes on lunar cheese!
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 08:17:08 am »

There were all sorts of allegations about the election being rigged by different groups - including the DNC that blatantly stole the nomination away from Bernie Sanders.  Donald Trump pointed out how their was fraud on BOTH sides of the campaign which was all working to prevent him from being the nominee, and after being the nominee to prevent him from being elected.  Trump also pointed out that the election was rigged against Bernie.  It's safe to say that there was a lot of allegations being made, some of them provable, some needed to be investigated, etc. 

BUT Obama did NOTHING!
Why?
Because it was universally expected that Hillary would win the election easily.. in a landslide.  Obama wasn't about to risk doing anything at all because that might change the lead that Hillary THOUGHT she had. 
In other words, rather than do the right thing, and what he was obligated to do.  Obama chose to IGNORE all the allegations just to play it safe and preserve Hillary's lead.  Well. that plan BACKFIRED!


You find debating easy because you ignore facts.  We now know that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign for possible ccooperation with the Russian meddling since July of 2016, but all indications are that they kept that information from the White House.  (that was back in a day when the WH did not try to intervene or be kept abreast of FBI investigations).  Apparently, Obama did not become aware of the Trump campaign ties to Russia until a month AFTER THE ELECTION.  The fact that Russia was behind the hack of the DNC was made public at the beginning of October.  So you can't state that he did nothing.  You guys are again swallowing whole whatever Trump tweets out without examining it critically.
And the whole Hilary-Bernie thing came out before the convention and was well litigated there.  You can't argue that Obama hid anything.
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 04:10:49 pm »

There were all sorts of allegations about the election being rigged by different groups - including the DNC that blatantly stole the nomination away from Bernie Sanders.  Donald Trump pointed out how their was fraud on BOTH sides of the campaign which was all working to prevent him from being the nominee, and after being the nominee to prevent him from being elected.  Trump also pointed out that the election was rigged against Bernie.  It's safe to say that there was a lot of allegations being made, some of them provable, some needed to be investigated, etc. 

BUT Obama did NOTHING!
Why?
Because it was universally expected that Hillary would win the election easily.. in a landslide.  Obama wasn't about to risk doing anything at all because that might change the lead that Hillary THOUGHT she had. 
In other words, rather than do the right thing, and what he was obligated to do.  Obama chose to IGNORE all the allegations just to play it safe and preserve Hillary's lead.  Well. that plan BACKFIRED!


You find debating easy because you ignore facts.  We now know that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign for possible ccooperation with the Russian meddling since July of 2016, but all indications are that they kept that information from the White House.  (that was back in a day when the WH did not try to intervene or be kept abreast of FBI investigations).  Apparently, Obama did not become aware of the Trump campaign ties to Russia until a month AFTER THE ELECTION.  The fact that Russia was behind the hack of the DNC was made public at the beginning of October.  So you can't state that he did nothing.  You guys are again swallowing whole whatever Trump tweets out without examining it critically.
And the whole Hilary-Bernie thing came out before the convention and was well litigated there.  You can't argue that Obama hid anything.

Your response contradicts itself.  First of all.. if the FBI knew something since July 2016 and didn't say anything - the head of the FBI should have been fired.  What you are referring to  is that they think Russia managed to hack into Hillary's e-mails and get them and post them.   They say that as many as 7 different parties / countries did the same thing.  WikiLeaks got them from someone other than Russia.  How about this?  Why not focus on Hillary Clinton deleting 30,000 government e-mails from the server she illegally had in her house AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over?  That should have put her in prison instantly.  "Oh dear!  Someone has hacked Hillary's computer and found what she illegally deleted!" 

The theft of the nomination from Bernie Sanders was not litigated.  Bernie just didn't complain because as we now know, Bernie and his wife are whores for money and can easily be bought.  Right after endorsing Hillary, Bernie magically pulled $600,000 out of thin air to purchase house #3. 

Your saying that Obama did not keep abreast of FBI investigations.  Hmm.. that is part of the job of being president.  The president has daily briefings about such things.  If that information wasn't important enough before the election (when he was certain Hillary would win), why did it suddenly become so important that he would antagonize Russia with sanctions after the election?  Sanctions he knew would be rescinded because they were absurd. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 05:40:07 pm »

There were all sorts of allegations about the election being rigged by different groups - including the DNC that blatantly stole the nomination away from Bernie Sanders.  Donald Trump pointed out how their was fraud on BOTH sides of the campaign which was all working to prevent him from being the nominee, and after being the nominee to prevent him from being elected.  Trump also pointed out that the election was rigged against Bernie.  It's safe to say that there was a lot of allegations being made, some of them provable, some needed to be investigated, etc. 

BUT Obama did NOTHING!
Why?
Because it was universally expected that Hillary would win the election easily.. in a landslide.  Obama wasn't about to risk doing anything at all because that might change the lead that Hillary THOUGHT she had. 
In other words, rather than do the right thing, and what he was obligated to do.  Obama chose to IGNORE all the allegations just to play it safe and preserve Hillary's lead.  Well. that plan BACKFIRED!

This is surprisingly toned down from your usual embellishments and charades. Thank you for that.

Another possibility is he chose not to rock the boat. I'm not 100% convinced he was pro-Hillary as much as he was/is anti-Trump. Creating a potential divide in the party at the time might've seemed like a bigger risk that Trump would be elected than just allowing the DNC to do what they did.

The idealist in me wishes he said something. I've disliked Hillary since she started her campaign.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 07:25:09 pm »

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This is surprisingly toned down from your usual embellishments and charades. Thank you for that.

Do you mean how you called me a white supremacist/racist in the other thread because I didn't buy the liberal narrative?   
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 10:02:08 pm »

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This is surprisingly toned down from your usual embellishments and charades. Thank you for that.

Do you mean how you called me a white supremacist/racist in the other thread because I didn't buy the liberal narrative?   


No, but since you wanted clarification, you're demonstrating exactly the type of behavior I was referring to.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 10:45:31 pm »

There were all sorts of allegations about the election being rigged by different groups - including the DNC that blatantly stole the nomination away from Bernie Sanders.  Donald Trump pointed out how their was fraud on BOTH sides of the campaign which was all working to prevent him from being the nominee, and after being the nominee to prevent him from being elected.  Trump also pointed out that the election was rigged against Bernie.  It's safe to say that there was a lot of allegations being made, some of them provable, some needed to be investigated, etc. 

BUT Obama did NOTHING!
Why?
Because it was universally expected that Hillary would win the election easily.. in a landslide.  Obama wasn't about to risk doing anything at all because that might change the lead that Hillary THOUGHT she had. 
In other words, rather than do the right thing, and what he was obligated to do.  Obama chose to IGNORE all the allegations just to play it safe and preserve Hillary's lead.  Well. that plan BACKFIRED!


You find debating easy because you ignore facts.  We now know that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign for possible ccooperation with the Russian meddling since July of 2016, but all indications are that they kept that information from the White House.  (that was back in a day when the WH did not try to intervene or be kept abreast of FBI investigations).  Apparently, Obama did not become aware of the Trump campaign ties to Russia until a month AFTER THE ELECTION.  The fact that Russia was behind the hack of the DNC was made public at the beginning of October.  So you can't state that he did nothing.  You guys are again swallowing whole whatever Trump tweets out without examining it critically.
And the whole Hilary-Bernie thing came out before the convention and was well litigated there.  You can't argue that Obama hid anything.

Your response contradicts itself.  First of all.. if the FBI knew something since July 2016 and didn't say anything - the head of the FBI should have been fired.  What you are referring to  is that they think Russia managed to hack into Hillary's e-mails and get them and post them.   They say that as many as 7 different parties / countries did the same thing.  WikiLeaks got them from someone other than Russia.  How about this?  Why not focus on Hillary Clinton deleting 30,000 government e-mails from the server she illegally had in her house AFTER being ordered by Congress to turn them over?  That should have put her in prison instantly.  "Oh dear!  Someone has hacked Hillary's computer and found what she illegally deleted!" 
If you can prove that any of Hillary's emails were hacked and posted online, please provide the link.
The theft of the nomination from Bernie Sanders was not litigated.  Bernie just didn't complain because as we now know, Bernie and his wife are whores for money and can easily be bought.  Right after endorsing Hillary, Bernie magically pulled $600,000 out of thin air to purchase house #3. 

Your saying that Obama did not keep abreast of FBI investigations.  Hmm.. that is part of the job of being president.  The president has daily briefings about such things.  If that information wasn't important enough before the election (when he was certain Hillary would win), why did it suddenly become so important that he would antagonize Russia with sanctions after the election?  Sanctions he knew would be rescinded because they were absurd. 

Frederick, you really do need a civics lesson.  The FBI investigation into Russian meddling has two parts.  One is a counter-intelligence investigation, which perhaps would find its way into the President's daily briefing.  The other was a domestic criminal investigation into possible collusion.  The White House and DOJ ethics rules are supposed to be kept separate, for obvious reasons.  There is a great potential for abuse of power if the president were to try to get his friends off easy or if he were to sic the FBI on his enemies.  The president should not and Obama was not briefed on the collusion aspect.  The sanctions imposed were for the hacking, not for any possible collusion (which I agree has not been proven....yet) . I have pointed out multiple times that the Obama administration did make the Russian meddling public before the election.  One could argue that he should have imposed sanctions at that time, but to say he did nothing is simply not true.
And now for your history lesson.  Russia, nor any foreign entity ever hacked Hillary's e-mails.  Donald Trump called on them to do it, but they were never successful. I will not defend the deletions.  That was not a good idea.  But of the 35,000 that were examined by the FBI, only 3 were marked classified when they were sent, and another 100 were retrospectively classified. But Hillary is not president. She is not Our Lady of the Liberals.
You have conflated Hillary's and Podesta's emails.  Only Assange has claimed that Russia is not his source--do you believe him or do you believe 17 intelligence agencies in the US?
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 09:43:54 am »

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No, but since you wanted clarification, you're demonstrating exactly the type of behavior I was referring to.

Ok, I get it.

You can call me a racist, but I can't react to it.   
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