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« on: July 04, 2017, 08:36:38 am »

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/nyt-finally-retracts-russia-gate-canard/

That's right. And yet they keep on keepin' on with this retracted story by the New York Times that "17 Agencies Found Trump in Collusion with Russia."

It was FAKE, Very FAKE, and FRAUDULENT. It was NEVER True. But you guys believed them and used it to base ALL your conclusions. Sorry, you LOST AGAIN! And I'm really sorry for those of you who aren't paying attention to the REAL news, just because it isn't what you WANT to hear!
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 08:40:04 am »

Of course we knew it was a hoax from the start, because it was the same line of bull used by Collin Powell over a decade ago that "sounded convincing." It was NEVER True. We tried to tell you, but you didn't want to hear it, but now the NYT has ADMITTED that they MADE IT UP. And how do you keep listening to them after all these fake stories are being exposed? It's really sick. I think you might have some sort of condition. Oh that's right, maybe you should see my other post about ANOTHER retracted story where they blamed conservatives for being psychotic and authoritarian back in 2012, but two days ago, retracted THAT as well and said that liberals were actually the psychos.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 08:49:33 am »

Edit: I said I'm sorry for those of you who aren't paying attention to the real news... NYT is fake news, and you didn't even listen to them when they retracted it!!! WOW. You just listen to the mouthpieces that spew your nonsense, just because you don't want to have sex with Trump and would rather have some shallow dumb jock who you'd like to suck off as President. Sorry, but that's what it all comes down to. You don't want to have sex with him. So you don't agree with anything he says. And it's easy to make shit up to justify your garbage. It's obvious that it's that simple. But regardless of that, you were WRONG again. You believed a lie. You believed it without thinking twice. You just believe whatever they tell you, and honestly that makes you totally pathetic. No offense, that's just what I Truly believe. You believe lies, without question. You did believe that lie. You did not question it. It turned out to be a lie. Now you are exposed as naïve. It's that plain and simple.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 09:08:42 am »

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/nyt-finally-retracts-russia-gate-canard/

That's right. And yet they keep on keepin' on with this retracted story by the New York Times that "17 Agencies Found Trump in Collusion with Russia."

It was FAKE, Very FAKE, and FRAUDULENT. It was NEVER True. But you guys believed them and used it to base ALL your conclusions. Sorry, you LOST AGAIN! And I'm really sorry for those of you who aren't paying attention to the REAL news, just because it isn't what you WANT to hear!

Here is the correction:

Correction: June 29, 2017

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

So I guess you don't believe the CIA, FBI, DNI and NSA?  The others did not deny the intelligence, they just did not approve it.  Keep dreaming.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 09:11:59 am »

Yet one of those four, Comey of the FBI came out and denied it totally. So that gives you even less credibility. The other three were Obama appointees. You just can't admit when you're wrong can you? They didn't approve it??? What the hell do you THINK that means??? Do you even hear the words coming out of your mouth? Then you have the DNI, which doesn't even collect intelligence itself, it just collects what the agencies report to it. So it doesn't even have it's own independent investigation going on, leaving you two. So go ahead and trust the CIA, which basically nobody trusts after all the garbage they've pulled. Are you really supporting them??? You have many former NSA heads coming out and blowing the whistle on how corrupt that agency is... does that make you feel they're credible? Look, you went from 17, to basically two untrustworthy agencies who don't give a rat's ass about you and nobody thinks they do.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 09:18:11 am »

Yet one of those four, Comey of the FBI came out and denied it totally. So that gives you even less credibility. The other three were Obama appointees. You just can't admit when you're wrong can you? They didn't approve it??? What the hell do you THINK that means??? Do you even hear the words coming out of your mouth?
Because we are not wrong.  You have selctive hearing.  Comey said he told Trump that he was not personally under investigation.  He did not say that Russia did not meddle in our electoral process by hackin emails, etc.  In fact he repeated it many, many times, and emphasized it was going to happen again.

As for Fake news, the NYT, when it finds it printed something untruthful, offers a correction.  When has Trump ever done that for the gadzillion things that he gets wrong?  He is the worst provider of fake news ever, because he never admits he was wrong, even when proven so.  Much like yourself.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 09:20:44 am »

Just admit it. You acted like Trump was going against 17 agencies. You were wrong. The "story" was retracted. Can't you even admit that? You were hung up on the whole idea that Trump was a rogue agent going against ALL the intelligence agencies, and you were wrong. You believed a false narrative. You did. You are now proven corrected. You don't pay attention. And that's why Trump is our President. You need to stop focusing on what you WANT to hear, and realize that the Truth doesn't care about that.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2017, 09:30:27 am »

Your words:

"BTW, do you even accept the conclusion of 17 out of 17 US intelligence agencies that Russia hacked the DNC, Podesta's emails, tried to hack voter rolls and embarked on a true "fake news campaign via social media to undermine Hillary and try to elect Trump?  I suspect you are with Trump on supposing it was a 400 pound man sitting on his bed."

So... NO, I do NOT accept the conclusion of "17 out of 17" US Intelligence Agencies that Russia blah blah blah. Just to answer your ridiculous question that is based on a false narrative that you just WANT to believe and don't question. You have shown yourself to be naïve in believing whole-heartedly a FAKE story, without questioning it. You have lost cred, brah.  

And what's even worse, is the fact that it doesn't matter WHO hacked the DNC. What matters is the content that proves they acted unethically and corruptly, and you guys ALL day and ALL night just try to blame the hacker rather than ACCEPT that the corruption has been EXPOSED. It's INSANE. It really is. You don't wanna talk about that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 09:36:24 am »

So go ahead. Suppose hypothetically that the Russians DID hack the DNC. Suppose it was even in favor of Trump. So........ My question is, and drumroll please! I've been waiting for ONE liberal to explain it to me... How can you ABSOLVE yourselves from the CONTENT of the emails? They PROVED corruption, REGARDLESS of WHO hacked them. So I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for someone to explain to me, how you can sit there and blame Russia for hacking, but not answer the question about the CONTENT of the emails. Please, I'm still waiting...
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 10:21:23 am »

I'm sure if the Russians had hacked the RNC they would have found damaging content as well. Emails are supposed to be private.But the real meddling was done by Russian social media bots planting fake stories that gullible people like you ate up. And what does it matter if it was 17 agencies or only the top four? Does that make it any less true?   Does that make the story Fake News?  And if a domestic person or agency had carries out the hacks, they would be prosecuted.  IF Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians it was to avoid that very real fact.

I will have to agree that I was taken in by the number 17, not that the assessment of the four top agencies with purview is any less significant.  But is you look at the other 13, many do not cover this area.  The are the Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of State – Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Department of Homeland Security – Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Drug Enforcement Administration – Office of National Security Intelligence, Department of the Treasury – Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Department of Energy – Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence,  National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance,  Army Military Intelligence, Office of Naval Intelligence, Marine Corps Intelligence,  and Coast Guard Intelligence.  You can see that they would know little about Russian meddling in the first place.  I think the confusion came from the statement in the report that "it is the unanimous conclusion of the US intelligence community..."  That got conflated to mean all 17.  The NYT now realizes it and has corrected the story.  It shows they are committed to the truth, not that they are fake news.

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2017, 10:26:51 am »

NO, it doesn't. Did you not read the report? Here's the part you missed (the last part).

Even after the correction, the Times quickly returned to its pattern of deceiving its readers regarding the U.S. intelligence assessment. On June 30, a Times article reported: “Mr. Trump has repeatedly cast doubt on the unanimous conclusion of United States intelligence agencies that Russia sought to interfere in the 2016 race.”
The phrasing “unanimous conclusion” again suggests that all 17 intelligence agencies are in accord, albeit without specifically saying so, a journalistic sleight of hand that raises further doubts about the objectivity and honesty of the Times on this issue.
The Times’ belated correction — and its new deceptive formulation — underscore the growing sense that the U.S. mainstream media has joined in a political vendetta against Trump and has cast aside professional standards to the point of repeating false claims designed to denigrate him.
That, in turn, plays into Trump’s Twitter complaints that he and his administration are the targets of a “witch hunt” led by the “fake news” media, a grievance that appears to be energizing his supporters and could discredit whatever ongoing investigations eventually conclude.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2017, 10:38:02 am »

You really have to learn to use that edit button.  Replying to your own posts is like talking to yourself and makes the thread unreadable.  The declassified report was entitled Intelligence Community assessment, but in the first paragraph of scope, it specifies that it represnets intelligence gathered by the CIA, NSA and FBI.  You really should read it yourself, so you know what you are up against.  Follow this link.
 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2017, 10:57:32 am »

Wow. What's missing from that report is WHO wrote it. Who was the AUTHOR? If you don't have someone to counter-question, it's useless. They are vaguely making a masked and cowardly report, and it's also an OLD report. You can't just make blanket statements and accusations and expect that everyone JUST BELIEVE YOU. That's been your problem from the start. That's why you admitted that the narrative was wrong, that 17 agencies didn't say what you said they did. Without the ability to question the author, it's just as fake as fake news, ANONYMOUS. It has no relevance if the person making "factual statements," can't be questioned, and I do not Trust the intelligence community. They have already been caught in too many lies.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2017, 11:01:15 am »

Hey! It's me! God! Just believe me! And if you have questions I'll be in Heaven.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2017, 11:22:13 am »

Ok, I'm still waiting. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz stepped down not because the Russians hacked her. Not because Seth Rich exposed the emails. But BECAUSE she KNEW that the exposed emails PROVED their FRAUD. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. You want to sit there and continue blaming Russia, but you NEVER admit that Debbie stepped down BECAUSE of the CONTENT, where they LITERALLY committed FRAUD. You don't get it. It doesn't matter if someone hacked us. What matters is what they EXPOSED. You still refuse to answer that. It's a deflection of the worst degree and magnitude. You will not, and cannot ADMIT that what was revealed, regardless of who hacked them, was fraud. That's why you lost the election. And that's why you will lose in 2020. That's why you've lost all the special elections since. Because it doesn't matter that you were hacked or exposed, what matters is that the CONTENT of the exposure PROVED your beloved liars were corrupt and fraudulent, and that's why we say LOCK HER UP!
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2017, 10:37:13 pm »

Did you read the report, or even skim it?  You dismiss the report by 4 major national intelligence agencies out of hand, but repeat the debunked conspiracy theory that Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails, which evn Fox ans Sean Hannity had to retract.  Talk about selective hearing!
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2017, 11:54:39 pm »

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/nyt-finally-retracts-russia-gate-canard/

That's right. And yet they keep on keepin' on with this retracted story by the New York Times that "17 Agencies Found Trump in Collusion with Russia."

It was FAKE, Very FAKE, and FRAUDULENT. It was NEVER True. But you guys believed them and used it to base ALL your conclusions. Sorry, you LOST AGAIN! And I'm really sorry for those of you who aren't paying attention to the REAL news, just because it isn't what you WANT to hear!

Here is the correction:

Correction: June 29, 2017

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

So I guess you don't believe the CIA, FBI, DNI and NSA?  The others did not deny the intelligence, they just did not approve it.  Keep dreaming.
Pussi,
You are really stupid..  But then, so are a lot of people.
I'm not going to waste my time dissecting all of this, but let's be aware of some things.   Those 17 organizations or 4 organizations do not go making assessments, nor can they make assessments on information that they haven't even investigated to any degree.  Even when they do make assessments, they not only don't make them public, they don't even share their assessments with the other agencies!  The FBI and CIA are notorious for not sharing any information with each other. 
Also, at the time, the FBI had that nitwit Comey as it's director, whom neither the left nor the right nor other FBI agents trusted.    The rest of those buffoons were appointees of Osama's eight years occupying the White House. 

So.. go plant your turnip in Rosie O'Donnell. 
 Stop altering user names to be rude.
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2017, 01:12:09 am »

The four agencies did investigate it.  They could not make public the details of the investigation because it would have compromised sources and methods. Comey is high respected by his fellow FBI agents.  In fact, they recently wore "Comey is my Homey" T-shirts to celebrate Family Day.
 You can go chop up your turnip and cook it in a stew.
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2017, 06:36:13 am »

"They" wore Comey is my Homey shirts... How many? Did you see it? Doubtful. Another hearsay story. You're just full of fake news aren't you? No proof just slinging around garbage. That's what you wanna believe. Hell no, I do not Trust the four agencies you mentioned. The Vatican infiltrated the CIA long ago, at it's inception. They are PEDOS. When WWII was happening, the Vatican was in between Germany and Russia, and the CIA went to Rome to spy on the fascists who the Pope signed concordances with. As a reward, the Vatican gave all the CIA agents a blanket "Knights of Malta" Title for helping them spy on Stalin and Hitler. The KOM are the only landless sovereignty in the world. And all the CIA are a part of that organization now, meaning the Catholic Church OWNS the CIA. So you guys sit here all day and bash religion, then when it comes to the intelligence community, you only listen to them when it comes to bashing Trump. It's really just a bunch of ignorant-speak when you don't have a grasp on the whole picture, of who these people are, where they came from, what their agenda is. You just don't like Trump because he's mean. I hate to say it, but it's pathetic. You don't understand how this world works. I'm embarrassed of people like you pppuci. You don't know anything about Maritime Admiralty Law and how the global system is set up to take over. Trump is aware and fighting that. You are ill-read, uninformed, pea-brained, and unfortunately, you just need to go back to watching entertainment because you're a follower, not a leader.
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2017, 07:03:13 am »

"They" wore Comey is my Homey shirts... How many? Did you see it? Doubtful. Another hearsay story. You're just full of fake news aren't you? No proof just slinging around garbage. That's what you wanna believe. Hell no, I do not Trust the four agencies you mentioned. The Vatican infiltrated the CIA long ago, at it's inception. They are PEDOS. When WWII was happening, the Vatican was in between Germany and Russia, and the CIA went to Rome to spy on the fascists who the Pope signed concordances with. As a reward, the Vatican gave all the CIA agents a blanket "Knights of Malta" Title for helping them spy on Stalin and Hitler. The KOM are the only landless sovereignty in the world. And all the CIA are a part of that organization now, meaning the Catholic Church OWNS the CIA. So you guys sit here all day and bash religion, then when it comes to the intelligence community, you only listen to them when it comes to bashing Trump. It's really just a bunch of ignorant-speak when you don't have a grasp on the whole picture, of who these people are, where they came from, what their agenda is. You just don't like Trump because he's mean. I hate to say it, but it's pathetic. You don't understand how this world works. I'm embarrassed of people like you pppuci. You don't know anything about Maritime Admiralty Law and how the global system is set up to take over. Trump is aware and fighting that. You are ill-read, uninformed, pea-brained, and unfortunately, you just need to go back to watching entertainment because you're a follower, not a leader.
Where is Frederick's proof that other FBI agents did not trust Comey? The Deputy Director praised him to high heaven and stated that was the general feeling in the Agency.  Trump had to cancel a visit to the FBI headquarters after he fired Comey because the WH feared he would not be well received.
You and Frederick should both be happy.  I am sick of trying to argue on a factual basis with you two.  You simply refuse to believe any facts that don't agree with your concept of the world.  An You, mhorndisk have a very dark view.

You two can respond to each other's posts. Have fun.
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