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« on: July 05, 2017, 10:19:37 pm »

The description of this Board on the Forum Home Page is " Discuss politics and debate world issues."  Take a look at the past week.  Has this happened?
The board has been dominated by mostly one user, and perhaps two.  many times the thread is simply multiple replies by the original poster, usually in the first hour and often in the first fifteen minutes. Presentation of facts by non-partisan third parties are dismissed out of hand and followed by personal attacks.  There have been intimations of civil war.
 Is this what most users want?  Is this what the site owners want?  Already the Recent Forum Topics had to be removed from the home page because even the thread topics offended users.  And they did not try to engage in discussion.
I did try.  But it has become painfully clear that the users that dominate this board are not interested in discussion, they are just interested in narcissistic platform for proclaiming their beliefs.  I am frustrated because you, Raphjd, have done nothing to promote discussion.  I am not talking about enforcing rules, per se.  You are an active member of the board and enjoy the respect of all users.  You should be intervening in threads to keep discussions on target and lower the temperature of the arguments. I noticed a moderator post to "Tone it down" in one post, but little else.

Take a look at the last week.  Is this what you want here?  Most users have abandoned the board out of frustration.  Sadly, uless things change, I will be adding myself to that list.
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 10:43:43 pm »

The description of this Board on the Forum Home Page is " Discuss politics and debate world issues."  Take a look at the past week.  Has this happened?
The board has been dominated by mostly one user, and perhaps two.  many times the thread is simply multiple replies by the original poster, usually in the first hour and often in the first fifteen minutes. Presentation of facts by non-partisan third parties are dismissed out of hand and followed by personal attacks.  There have been intimations of civil war.
 Is this what most users want?  Is this what the site owners want?  Already the Recent Forum Topics had to be removed from the home page because even the thread topics offended users.  And they did not try to engage in discussion.
I did try.  But it has become painfully clear that the users that dominate this board are not interested in discussion, they are just interested in narcissistic platform for proclaiming their beliefs.  I am frustrated because you, Raphjd, have done nothing to promote discussion.  I am not talking about enforcing rules, per se.  You are an active member of the board and enjoy the respect of all users.  You should be intervening in threads to keep discussions on target and lower the temperature of the arguments. I noticed a moderator post to "Tone it down" in one post, but little else.

Take a look at the last week.  Is this what you want here?  Most users have abandoned the board out of frustration.  Sadly, uless things change, I will be adding myself to that list.


Agreed, and agreed.  In addition, earlier today I shared with our Administrator (and am now sharing further) a request for him to be more pro-active in removing obviously flaming, off-topic threads as soon as identified.

Why for example, should we have to wade through threads such as today's THE NEW WORLD ORDER CAN SUCK MY DICK, or OBAMA: A SATANIC WHORE...?  There should be no place for such anger-baiting headlines here -- and there will likely be more to follow in coming days.  This is why we have Rants & Raves.

To raphjd, it would be very proper, and welcomed, to have a daily enforcement of your own P&D rules to identify and remove these antagonizing and vulgar threads at first sight, before they release their toxins.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 10:57:36 pm »

I would love if this board were more civil, where we can have honest and open debates about politics and political issues. Unfortunately, it appears this has become more of a rants & raves board.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 11:06:00 pm »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 11:12:27 pm »

It is not only a matter of enforcing rules.  It is about leadership.  Often that means leadership by example.  I don't mean to imply that raphjd's posts are inflammatory.  He clearly has a problem with liberals, but he usually presents his views in a reasonable manner.  I mean he should interject with remarks like "stick to the facts" or "attacking your opponent does nothing to advance the discussion," etc.  These do not have to be remarks made as an moderator.  Of course, blatant violation of the rules need to be called out and offensive threads locked or deleted..
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 11:14:54 pm »

Might I suggest not starting threads in all caps? On the internet, typing things in all caps means you're shouting.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 11:17:49 pm »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
Out of respect for raphjd, who I think is a reasonable man and has been doing this for over ten years, I would give him a chance to take action.  Failing that, I think we should appeal to someone higher up, especially if several of us do it so it does not seem the complaint of a single disgruntled user.  As far as I know, the site owner is Joker and there is no higher authority.  A post in one of the general forums should get his attention, should that become necessary.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 12:51:18 am »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
Out of respect for raphjd, who I think is a reasonable man and has been doing this for over ten years, I would give him a chance to take action.  Failing that, I think we should appeal to someone higher up, especially if several of us do it so it does not seem the complaint of a single disgruntled user.  As far as I know, the site owner is Joker and there is no higher authority.  A post in one of the general forums should get his attention, should that become necessary.

You are a fool.  When things don't go your way, you stomp your feet and pout.  Making threats and ultimatums to the moderator is a good way to find yourself looking on xtube for 15 second porn clips instead of the content that is here. 

If I don't see you on the site anymore.  Aloha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOzNiKceps
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2017, 01:02:50 am »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
Out of respect for raphjd, who I think is a reasonable man and has been doing this for over ten years, I would give him a chance to take action.  Failing that, I think we should appeal to someone higher up, especially if several of us do it so it does not seem the complaint of a single disgruntled user.  As far as I know, the site owner is Joker and there is no higher authority.  A post in one of the general forums should get his attention, should that become necessary.

You are a fool.  When things don't go your way, you stomp your feet and pout.  Making threats and ultimatums to the moderator is a good way to find yourself looking on xtube for 15 second porn clips instead of the content that is here. 

If I don't see you on the site anymore.  Aloha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOzNiKceps

Frederick, what is with the ad hominem? Why not just criticize your opponents on the content of their posts rather than being subjective and using crude remarks? Again, language like this should be banned so that this board can finally progress.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2017, 01:15:46 am »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
Out of respect for raphjd, who I think is a reasonable man and has been doing this for over ten years, I would give him a chance to take action.  Failing that, I think we should appeal to someone higher up, especially if several of us do it so it does not seem the complaint of a single disgruntled user.  As far as I know, the site owner is Joker and there is no higher authority.  A post in one of the general forums should get his attention, should that become necessary.

You are a fool.  When things don't go your way, you stomp your feet and pout.  Making threats and ultimatums to the moderator is a good way to find yourself looking on xtube for 15 second porn clips instead of the content that is here. 

If I don't see you on the site anymore.  Aloha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOzNiKceps
What gives you this sense of entitlement, that only your views are valid? Even if you owned the site, your attitude is not conducive to discussion.  You make it clear that you intend to bully anyone who disagrees with you off of this board.  And no one is threatening the moderator, but we are frustrated with the likes of you and are considering our options.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2017, 06:52:21 am »

Yes, a lot of the posts on here need to be moved to rants & raves. Topics like, "NWO can suck my dick" and "Obama a Satanic Whore" need to be moved to rants & raves immediately. There is no way we can have meaningful debate with a topics that have such toxic titles. How can we expect others on this site to want to participate in the Politics & Debate forum when it's filled with spam about nonsense? It would be okay if it was just one time but mhorndisk is posting like ten topics based on the same thing in the same day, and then he's constantly replying to himself to drown out other topics. It's becoming too much and something definitely needs to be done. Should we appeal to someone higher up?? I still want to participate here but how can we with this level of toxicity?
Out of respect for raphjd, who I think is a reasonable man and has been doing this for over ten years, I would give him a chance to take action.  Failing that, I think we should appeal to someone higher up, especially if several of us do it so it does not seem the complaint of a single disgruntled user.  As far as I know, the site owner is Joker and there is no higher authority.  A post in one of the general forums should get his attention, should that become necessary.

You are a fool.  When things don't go your way, you stomp your feet and pout.  Making threats and ultimatums to the moderator is a good way to find yourself looking on xtube for 15 second porn clips instead of the content that is here. 

If I don't see you on the site anymore.  Aloha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOzNiKceps
What gives you this sense of entitlement, that only your views are valid? Even if you owned the site, your attitude is not conducive to discussion.  You make it clear that you intend to bully anyone who disagrees with you off of this board.  And no one is threatening the moderator, but we are frustrated with the likes of you and are considering our options.

Overlooking the fact that your posts are consistently garbage.. that is not the primary issue here.
You are a fool for trying to twist someone's arm, threatening them, and tattling on them to the almighty one.  The almighty one is extremely loyal to his helpers.. which is why you won't ever find me in the chat room.  You also blatantly deny the truth - something that is called "lying" by less sophisticated people.  What you are doing is tantamount to the accusations that Trump colluded with Putin. 

I'm surprised the great thunderbolt from above has not struck you down yet.   You keep tugging on his enchanted holy robe and I expect you will get an unpleasant surprise.  There IS a button to handle such matters confidentially.  (Which you have also used).  Yet, that isn't good enough for you, and you talk as if you are a mutineer.  "Argggh!  Yo ho ho and a handful of cum!   Gobs of sixteen semen on a hairy man's chest!"  Now be a good butt pirate and behave. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2017, 07:32:46 am »

Frederick, you have consistently accused me of spouting garbage, but I have consistently backed up everything with facts published, usually by independent, non-partisan groups, which is more than I can say for you and your partner in crime.  I have used the report button to complain about individual violations, like you continuing to play with my username after being warned, and to report mhorndisk's off-topic, multi-self posting rants.

It is you and he who are uninterested in facts and see this forum as some sort of privileged private sounding board.  I'm sure you have seen the list of last week's posts.  Do you sincerely think that represents a discussion board?  Personally, I feel mhorndisk is sincere in his far-right radicalism, but I think you just enjoy flaming and trolling.  You always end up calling your critics stupid or pussies or lesbos.  Before it was banned you were one of the worst offenders with the "-tard" epithet, and even posted a topic  "If not "lib****, then what?" which closed by the moderator.

Lastly, if I wanted to go over raphjd's head, I would have done so already.  I have not and do not plan to unless forced. He is a volunteer in a thankless job, and he has been doing it for a long time.  I respect him for that.  And believe me, I do not find the views that are counter to my own offensive.  If I did, I would not be advocating true discussion. It is they way these views are presented, the way opposing views are rebutted and the clear disregard for true debate that I find frustrating.

I have confidence that raphjd will provide leadership here. I am not threatening him, but  if I do decide to appeal to a global moderator or the boss, I will do so without judgement and simply ask them to review this forum to see if it is consistent with the site's "mission." 

It appears mhorndisk has taken the day off (I personally think his fingers are cramped from overuse).  Maybe you should too and allow the rest of us to reboot.

As you can see from the posts above, I am not the only one who feels this way.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2017, 08:52:55 am »


 police Only Joker out ranks me.   police
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2017, 09:06:17 am »

police Only Joker out ranks me.   police
Is that really your only reponse to the issues raised by the thread?  I repeated on multiple occasions I was not threatening you.  There is a group here who is asking for your help, and we are not your enemies.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2017, 09:32:40 am »

I am so sorry for my opinion having offended you. I now support the impeachment of Trump and I'm watching CNN. NOT! You claim that you are upset because we aren't buying your "facts." We don't believe you, and we don't believe your "facts." We believe you are confused and promoting lies. Sorry if you don't like how we feel about the situation, but we reserve the right to disagree and defend the President. We believe that you are dead wrong and that you don't know what you're talking about. So what? We have the right to disagree. If you don't like that we are skeptical of you, sorry, not sorry. We just don't believe you or your fake facts. Get over it. We believe you are promoting propaganda. We will not change our opinion just because you "think" you are right. You are wrong. You are beyond wrong, and treading on the territory of silly. We aren't going to take your word for it. We do not Trust you. We have no reason to Trust you. You are fake news. You present fake information. You present information that we do not believe. If you don't like that we disagree with you, we don't care, obviously. It's reached the point that you guys are just whining constantly about the manner in which we disagree, rather than the content of the disagreement itself. You complain all day that we aren't agreeing with you. We just don't.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2017, 09:44:27 am »

The rules need to be enforced. Look at the list of topics, the majority of them are made by the same person, hardly any of the posts contain anything to discuss. The person who started the thread is also the person making three replies in one hour, and that's called shitposting everywhere else on the net. 

It's foul language, ad hominems, and literally contentless posts.

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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2017, 10:00:19 am »

Ok, let's discuss Hillary bleach-bitting 30,000 emails after a subpoena. What do you have to say about that? You want a discussion? Say something. You don't want a discussion. You just want to tell people what to say.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2017, 10:00:31 am »

I am so sorry for my opinion having offended you. I now support the impeachment of Trump and I'm watching CNN. NOT! You claim that you are upset because we aren't buying your "facts." We don't believe you, and we don't believe your "facts." We believe you are confused and promoting lies. Sorry if you don't like how we feel about the situation, but we reserve the right to disagree and defend the President. We believe that you are dead wrong and that you don't know what you're talking about. So what? We have the right to disagree. If you don't like that we are skeptical of you, sorry, not sorry. We just don't believe you or your fake facts. Get over it. We believe you are promoting propaganda. We will not change our opinion just because you "think" you are right. You are wrong. You are beyond wrong, and treading on the territory of silly. We aren't going to take your word for it. We do not Trust you. We have no reason to Trust you. You are fake news. You present fake information. You present information that we do not believe. If you don't like that we disagree with you, we don't care, obviously. It's reached the point that you guys are just whining constantly about the manner in which we disagree, rather than the content of the disagreement itself. You complain all day that we aren't agreeing with you. We just don't.
Yet you want us to take your word for it as to what is true, but you seldom have anything to back it up except your own beliefs.  You did correct point to a NYT piece that reduced the number of agencies involved in the Russia intelligence investigation from 17 to four, and I also admitted that was true.  That did not make the entire story a hoax, nor the existence of the report generated by those four agencies. Yet you reject the findings of the report.  You reject anything printed in the mainstream media.  You don't even cite conservative outlets, like Breitbart. You rat on and on about conspiracy theories involving the Trilateral Commission and the New World Order, but don't even give references for those theories.  You just go on and on about whatever comes into your head and when someone does not acknowledge it soon enough with a reply, you post one yourself that adds nothing to the original post
Senator Daniel Moynihan said, "Every man is entitled to his opinion, but not to his own facts."
Yet that is exactly what you do, especially when rejecting data presented by non-partisan third parties.  Your reply to the evaluation of the Clinton foundation by the independent Charity Watchdog Group was "That simply is not true."
I am not offended by your beliefs, and I do think you are sincere.  But you clearly are not here to debate, but to
proselytize,  You are like a Jehovah's Witness for the alt-right.
This is supposed to be a Politics and Debate forum, not a soapbox for those with the fastest fingers.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2017, 10:04:17 am »

Nice to see some posters have been warned, and it's the typical rule breakers.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2017, 10:04:53 am »

Ok, let's discuss Hillary bleach-bitting 30,000 emails after a subpoena. What do you have to say about that? You want a discussion? Say something. You don't want a discussion. You just want to tell people what to say.
What in the world does that have to do with anything in this thread?  You want to talk about that, fine--Post a new topic.  You are very good at that,
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