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« on: July 09, 2017, 11:30:28 am »

http://www.mz-web.de/mitteldeutschland/landfriedensbruch-in-oschersleben-angriff-aus-dem-hinterhalt-23466450

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A group of up to 25 men, who were suspected of being left behind, attacked a group of ten men on Saturday afternoon at the station in Oschersleben. As the Police Directorate in Magdeburg announced on Sunday morning, four people were attacked with iron bars, baseball batons and wooden boards. A 34-year-old man had suffered severe head injuries and had to be operated afterwards.


One man had his head caved in and had to be rushed to the hospital for emergency surgery. 

Can we admit there is a problem yet... please? 
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 11:45:49 am »

Since you want to talk about Germany:
"There were 142 recorded criminal complaints filed after right-wing incidents targeting Germany's main political party offices or their politicians in 2016, more than ever before. That's according to figures collated by the German government"
http://www.dw.com/en/more-right-wing-attacks-on-german-politicians-than-ever/a-37491252

"MUNICH ― An election night celebration in Munich for the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party turned violent last week as right-wing extremists attacked protesters and journalists outside the event." .... " here were 1,408 acts of far-right violence and 1,608 far-left attacks in Germany in 2015, up from around 990 and 995 respectively the previous year, according to a government report released in late June"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/afd-right-wing-popularity-germany_us_57d31694e4b06a74c9f4b4c7

Seems about even to me.  But I would much prefer to talk about American politics.  I don't think you can leftist violence in Germany to advance a thesis of increasing leftist violence in the USA.

so, in answer to your question...I am not convinced.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2017, 11:55:51 am »

here were 1,408 acts of far-right violence and 1,608 far-left attacks in Germany in 2015, up from around 990 and 995 respectively the previous year, according to a government report released in late June"

Even by HuffPo's numbers, far-left violence is higher.  And they are certainly skewing that to shit, given their open left wing bias.  And you know what the funniest part about it is?  Here is the first image they cited of "right wing violence"

http://i.imgur.com/WCM7ujS.jpg
25 far-left attacked conservative activists with iron bars, baseball bats


So a lone individual who obviously isn't any real threat to you know, the group of at least three who are clearly harrassing him and clearly have fear of him whatsoever.  Yes, that is totally on the same level as a coordinated ambush by 25 men with baseball bats and other blunt objects.  This is the example of right-wing violence that HuffPo decided to lead with.  

You are being willfully ignorant.  
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 12:18:26 pm »

I am sure we could find gorier photos for both sides if we looked. There is clearly violence on both sides in Germany.  But I am uninterested in discussing German politics.  I know very little about it and don't care to educate myself. Let's get back to American politics.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 12:37:38 pm »

I am sure we could find gorier photos for both sides if we looked. There is clearly violence on both sides in Germany.  But I am uninterested in discussing German politics.  I know very little about it and don't care to educate myself. Let's get back to American politics.

Look at the pictures, 1 guy vs 3, did he even connect a single time lol?  The point being the extent of right wing violence is clearly manufactured.  

This is not even close to the same level as caving in someone's skull, setting officers on fire with molotovs, or bashing and cutting someone's face with a beer bottle.  

The real proof in the pudding is that even with the manufactured numbers, they STILL skew towards more liberal violence than conservative violence, and also a massive increase year over year.  And I KNOW you understood this.  
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 12:46:02 pm »

You are cherry-picking incidents and I am too tired to find some horrific right wing attack in Germany. I already debunked your beer-bottle bar brawl as nothing more than a guy pushing another guy's girl and getting into a fight.  Oh, yeah, he was wearing a MAGA hat.   That makes it a hate crime!.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 10:21:32 pm »

You are cherry-picking incidents and I am too tired to find some horrific right wing attack in Germany. I already debunked your beer-bottle bar brawl as nothing more than a guy pushing another guy's girl and getting into a fight.  Oh, yeah, he was wearing a MAGA hat.   That makes it a hate crime!.

Here's what you "debunked":

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"Val ( the victim) says he was dancing for a few hours on the dance floor when his red MAGA hat fell off. As he went to pick up his hat, a woman identified as Emma Rodriguez was stepping on his hat and told Val she hates the hat and hates him.

Val  pushed her away to retrieve his hat when he got into a fight with Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Leonardo Heinert. Val was then struck in the face with a beer bottle by Heinert. Rodriguez also struck Val in the back of the head with a beer bottle.

Val, Rodriguez and Heinert were all arrested and subsequently released."

Are you serious?  And you're trying to make him out to be the aggressor lol. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 10:33:39 pm »

I am not saying he was the aggressor, I am saying he was attacked because of a perceived slight against the aggressor's girlfriend. The MAGA hat comes into the story only because that';s why the girl gave Val sass.  The guy who hit him could care less about the hat.  If he as an innocent victim, or reacted only in self defense, he would not have been arrested with the other two.  Get it?
Not a political crime, anymore than a guy wearing a MAGA hat being the victim of a pickpocket.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 11:13:51 pm »

I am not saying he was the aggressor,

You very clearly chose your diction to suggest that the victim was the initial aggressor.  Here are words in case you forgot:

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I already debunked your beer-bottle bar brawl as nothing more than a guy pushing another guy's girl and getting into a fight.

I respect your intelligence enough to respond as best I can with citations and statistics.  Respect mine enough to not playing these retarded word games and lie about what you said, because this is uninteresting and tedious. 
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