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« on: July 13, 2017, 11:55:06 pm »

The President of the United States still believes the Central Park Five---5 exonerated men who spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit as teenagers---deserve to be executed and has continuously called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." This is disgusting and indefensible. There is a new documentary film being made about this situation and it will focus on the president's continuing fight against these five innocent men. The current Attorney General backs up this disgusting opinion by our president. How can anyone support the condemnation of innocent men who were wrongfully convicted for a crime they had absolutely nothing to do with? #45's supporters want us to view him as an honorable man and someone deserving of the presidency, yet he supports the idea that five innocent men should be executed or imprisoned for life for something they did not do. Further, he calls their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." They were wrongfully convicted and lost years of their lives because of a wrongful conviction. Forensic evidence has exonerated them. Why does our president and his Attorney General believe otherwise and will they do something to harm the lives of these five innocent men?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-park-5/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/donald-trump-central-park-5_n_5517784.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/08/donald-trumps-doubling-down-on-the-central-park-five-reflects-a-bigger-problem/
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sen-sessions-praises-donald-trump-central-park-5-controversy-article-1.2756902
http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-central-park-five/
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 12:09:58 am »

The President of the United States still believes the Central Park Five---5 exonerated men who spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit as teenagers---deserve to be executed and has continuously called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." This is disgusting and indefensible. There is a new documentary film being made about this situation and it will focus on the president's continuing fight against these five innocent men. The current Attorney General backs up this disgusting opinion by our president. How can anyone support the condemnation of innocent men who were wrongfully convicted for a crime they had absolutely nothing to do with? #45's supporters want us to view him as an honorable man and someone deserving of the presidency, yet he supports the idea that five innocent men should be executed or imprisoned for life for something they did not do. Further, he calls their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." They were wrongfully convicted and lost years of their lives because of a wrongful conviction. Forensic evidence has exonerated them. Why does our president and his Attorney General believe otherwise and will they do something to harm the lives of these five innocent men?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-park-5/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/donald-trump-central-park-5_n_5517784.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/08/donald-trumps-doubling-down-on-the-central-park-five-reflects-a-bigger-problem/
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sen-sessions-praises-donald-trump-central-park-5-controversy-article-1.2756902
http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-central-park-five/

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 12:23:31 am »

This issue was brought up several times during the campaign.  No one seemed to care....
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 12:43:26 am »

This issue was brought up several times during the campaign.  No one seemed to care....

No one cared because then-candidate now president #45 said so many outrageous things, real instances of his disgusting behavior like this one got ignored by the majority of the population. So many were focused on "pizza restaurant child prostitution rings" and "Podesta's emails." I'll never let this go because he is now president and he (a) has not apologized for the disgusting things he's said about these five innocent men and (b) is a sitting U.S. President that still holds the belief that five innocent men should be executed with the backing of a sitting Attorney General. Until there is an apology or at least a walking back of his disgusting claims and comments related to this situation, I and others will continue to call it out. I'm glad the documentary is being made and I hope they shine the right amount of light on the president's comments and the belief he still currently holds. Like I said, it's indefensible.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 03:27:46 am »

He believes a lot of things that aren't true.  My grandpa got like that too.  We had to put in a home.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 04:27:00 am »

The President of the United States still believes the Central Park Five---5 exonerated men who spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit as teenagers---deserve to be executed and has continuously called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." This is disgusting and indefensible. There is a new documentary film being made about this situation and it will focus on the president's continuing fight against these five innocent men. The current Attorney General backs up this disgusting opinion by our president. How can anyone support the condemnation of innocent men who were wrongfully convicted for a crime they had absolutely nothing to do with? #45's supporters want us to view him as an honorable man and someone deserving of the presidency, yet he supports the idea that five innocent men should be executed or imprisoned for life for something they did not do. Further, he calls their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." They were wrongfully convicted and lost years of their lives because of a wrongful conviction. Forensic evidence has exonerated them. Why does our president and his Attorney General believe otherwise and will they do something to harm the lives of these five innocent men?

By the way.. it is impossible to PROVE someone is innocent.  You can only fail to prove that they are guilty.  I would agree that Trump should have kept his mouth shut in this case.. but we are talking about an event that happened 28 years ago. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-park-5/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/donald-trump-central-park-5_n_5517784.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/08/donald-trumps-doubling-down-on-the-central-park-five-reflects-a-bigger-problem/
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sen-sessions-praises-donald-trump-central-park-5-controversy-article-1.2756902
http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-central-park-five/

Not so quick there... all 5 of them confessed, and implicated each other.  While it is true that the DNA found in the woman's cooch was not a match for any of them means what?  It means that none of those 5 had an orgasm inside that woman.  There are things called "condoms" there is also the possibility that they raped her without having an orgasm, or that the 5 of them didn't rape her at all, but took part in the beating.  Yes, some other guy did cum forward and confessed to raping her and his DNA was a match.  So, that guy is definitely guilty.. although was not charged because of the statute of limitations had expired.  Trump was outraged over the $41 million settlement handed over to those hoodlums.   The rape was in 1989.  The other guy came forward 13 years later.  

You must really be desperate to attack Trump about this.   If you want to attack someone.. attack the crooked cops and crooked judicial system.  HOWEVER.. I do agree that Trump has a tendency to stick up for the cops way too often.  I wouldn't feel too sorry about those 5 hoodlums that were convicted of the crime.  Granted, had that other man come forward 13 years earlier, the other 5 probably would not have been convicted, but that doesn't mean they didn't beat the crap out of that woman - and possibly even raped her.  

Go make up some other fake news to attack Trump with.   They had tornados in Texas.. that must be Trump's fault as well.  
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 05:13:19 am »

What Frederick  says is true, but it was Trump who injected him into the case for political gain.  At the time, he used it to promote the death penalty.


After they were exonerated of the rape by DNA evidence, he refused to acknowledge it because they had "confessed."
Although they were exonerated in 2002, the city did not settle the case until 2014, and Trump managed to inject it into the Presidential campaign
"Despite Reyes' confession, Donald Trump was campaigning to be President in October 2016 when he refused to acknowledge the Central Park Five's innocence and stated that their convictions should never have been vacated. Trump told CNN: "They admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same."
So, Fred, we are not blaming Trump for everything.  He revived the case as apolitical talking point.  That is why we can talk about it. Why he would bring up that case during the campaign is anyone's guess, but I can think of a few.



 

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 09:09:49 am »

Like I said, this is indefensible. All five were exonerated of EVERYTHING INVOLVING THE CASE. Our president has called for the deaths of five innocent men who spent years of their lives in prison for something they did NOT do. Whether they were coerced into confessing by crooked cops is beyond the fact. Whether the judge truly believed their pleas and handed down his honest sentencing is beyond the fact. The problems were corrected by releasing the men and by settling the wrongful convictions lawsuit. What's screwed up about this is our president STILL WANTS THEM DEAD and has called the settlement a "disgrace."

Also, how is this fake news? Show me evidence that the president has walked back his statements of wanting five innocent men executed. Do you have that evidence, Frederick?
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 09:42:25 am »

In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime.  They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit.  For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 10:28:38 am »

In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime.  They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit.  For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy

The president still holds the belief that they should be executed to this day. He has not walked back his position and last year, he doubled-down on it. Election or not, he is on the record calling for the execution of five innocent Americans. He has the backing of our current Attorney General. Once again, this is indefensible. Am I missing something? Did he walk back his statements or even apologize for currently holding the belief? How is it okay for a sitting U.S. president to call for the executions of people who were exonerated? What happens if he decides to collude with some hate group or makes a top secret order to have those men killed? This president has no credibility whatsoever and he is loyal to no one, not even himself. This is quite scary. If anything happens to any of those men, he should be the prime suspect since he's on the record calling for their deaths.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2017, 10:41:11 am »

Obama and Clinton pardoned domestic terrorists.

On the grand scale of things, which is worse; a belief that 4 people are guilty or pardoning a large number of domestic terrorists?
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2017, 10:53:36 am »

In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime.  They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit.  For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy

There should be no death penalty..
It is cheaper to keep them in prison than to execute them.
There have been a LOT of mistakes made in which a person was executed and later found to be not guilty. 
The judicial system is far too corrupt and faulty to be making such decisions.
It's barbaric and medieval.

In fact, any penalty that is extremely severe - such as life in prison, or execution - creates more crime because instead of raping someone, kidnapping someone, or committing a burglary and letting the victim go free.. they wind up killing the victim so that the witness is silenced.    Believe it or not, the purpose of incarceration in the USA is supposed to be rehabilitation, not punishment.   It is punishment, but that is not it's stated intent.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2017, 11:04:01 am »

In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime.  They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit.  For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy

The president still holds the belief that they should be executed to this day. He has not walked back his position and last year, he doubled-down on it. Election or not, he is on the record calling for the execution of five innocent Americans. He has the backing of our current Attorney General. Once again, this is indefensible. Am I missing something? Did he walk back his statements or even apologize for currently holding the belief? How is it okay for a sitting U.S. president to call for the executions of people who were exonerated? What happens if he decides to collude with some hate group or makes a top secret order to have those men killed? This president has no credibility whatsoever and he is loyal to no one, not even himself. This is quite scary. If anything happens to any of those men, he should be the prime suspect since he's on the record calling for their deaths.

It's heartwarming how you stick up for those five shit stains in NYC in a 28 year old crime.   You think it's a good idea to hand over $41 million to 5 thugs.. great.

As for "doubling down", let's talk about a much more recent case of someone "doubling down" which has resulted in the deaths of several million innocent people.  Your heroine.. Hillary Clinton.. in the 3rd and final presidential debate in 2016, doubled down on her support of guilt-free, taxpayer subsidized, abortions on demand, of babies in the THIRD trimester, which would have survived if a c-section was done, up until the very day of delivery.    I would say that anybody who believes in a heaven and a hell, earned themselves a one-way ticket to hell if they voted for Hellary. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2017, 11:17:55 am »

Obama and Clinton pardoned domestic terrorists.

On the grand scale of things, which is worse; a belief that 4 people are guilty or pardoning a large number of domestic terrorists?
Are you talking about Oscar Lopez Rivera (I lived i Puerto Rico for 8 years, so I am quite familiar with his crimes) who already served 35 years of a 55 year sentence? And Clinton's FALN Commutation of 1999 for those that had served 20 years.
You are technically accurate, but these domestic terrorists had already served major time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 06:38:56 pm »

I knew this would happen, 100% deflection and severely  off topic Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated. Instead of defending the president's disgusting comments and actions, there has been a huge deflection to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and for some reason, abortion. Where in any of my initial or proceeding comments did I mention Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or abortion? Why was domestic terrorism brought into this discussion? Can anyone please give a straightforward answer to why our president currently wants five innocent men in this country dead for something they did not do?
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2017, 07:18:18 pm »


As for "doubling down", let's talk about a much more recent case of someone "doubling down" which has resulted in the deaths of several million innocent people.  Your heroine.. Hillary Clinton.. in the 3rd and final presidential debate in 2016, doubled down on her support of guilt-free, taxpayer subsidized, abortions on demand, of babies in the THIRD trimester, which would have survived if a c-section was done, up until the very day of delivery.    I would say that anybody who believes in a heaven and a hell, earned themselves a one-way ticket to hell if they voted for Hellary. 
You accept without question whatever Trump feeds you like a sub gobbling up his master's cum.
Trump misstated Hillary's position on late-term abortions:
" Clinton’s position on abortion is that it should be legal and accessibility should be in line with Roe v. Wade, which guaranteed a woman’s right to procedure up until the fetus is viable, another murky term, as viability can vary among pregnancies, but is generally understood to be between 24 and 28 weeks. It also said that any restrictions to post-viability abortions should include exemptions for women’s health.
In the past, Clinton has suggested she would be open to late-term abortion restrictions."
Some stats:
Only 1.3 percent of abortions occur at the 21st week or later, according to the Guttmacher Institute, and only 16 percent of abortion providers offer the procedure through the 24th week.

I, too,  personally oppose abortion at any time on moral and religious grounds  I think everything should be done to avoid them. But that does not mean they should be illegal.  The Supreme Court has already ruled.




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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2017, 07:23:45 pm »

You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?   

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2017, 08:41:12 pm »

You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?   



Raphjd, he still currently holds the belief that they should be executed AFTER they were exonerated. YEARS AFTER. He is on the record saying he still wants them dead because they are guilty. He wants innocent men dead for something they did not do and have been proven to have not done. Further, he called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." Yes, I personally hold him responsible for calling for their deaths prior to them being exonerated; however, that can be defended because they did confess to something they didn't do whether it was by coercion or manipulation by the police, they confessed. However, our president CONTINUES to believe they should be executed KNOWING that they have been exonerated and he's calling the settlement a "disgrace." Can you provide me with evidence that (a) those five men are without a doubt CURRENTLY guilty of that crime or (b) the president has walked back the disgusting statements he's made AFTER they were exonerated? The stuff he said BEFORE they were exonerated was also disgusting but that's not the big problem here. The big problem is that he's still calling for their deaths. This is disgusting and I will keep saying it's indefensible because it truly is indefensible.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2017, 08:53:35 pm »

Notice in this thread I have not called those who oppose me derogatory names. I've called the president's words disgusting because they are disgusting, but I have not personally called those who support his opinion on these five innocent men disgusting. I'm not calling those who support him on this issue disgusting because there could be a million reasons why you support him on this; however, you need to define those reasons instead of deflecting to other things wholly unrelated to this topic. So far, this thread has been largely civil but please refrain from making flaming personal statements such as calling me "butt hurt" and also refrain from major deflections. It is clear what this thread is about and if you cannot make an argument for what our president stands for then you are not here to have an open and honest discussion. I still want more civil discussions like this one but we can't get there unless we all take it seriously and call out bad actors on here when we see them.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2017, 10:22:50 pm »

We are fighting a loosing battle. People who talk like this in an online forum are venting in a way that would be socially unacceptable in real life. They get ot off their chest by doing it here. I think we need to pick our battles in this regard.
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