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« on: September 22, 2017, 04:25:21 am »

North Korea seems determined to provoke the USA into attacking them. 
My current theory about this is that China is behind it, and will protect NK so that NK can overtake South Korea.. and then China will have all of Korea as their puppet to antagonize Japan and Guam. 
I also think that North Korea and China are in for a big surprise and will wish they had stuck to eating dogs and cats. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/21/north-korea-could-test-hydrogen-bomb-in-pacific-top-diplomat-says.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 12:08:53 pm »

North Korea seems determined to provoke the USA into attacking them. 
My current theory about this is that China is behind it, and will protect NK so that NK can overtake South Korea.. and then China will have all of Korea as their puppet to antagonize Japan and Guam. 
I also think that North Korea and China are in for a big surprise and will wish they had stuck to eating dogs and cats. 

You're theory has some flaws.   
 
China is the worlds biggest economy and relies upon both Japan and the US to manufacture there while, at the same time, Japan and the US consume Chinese made products. Any attack against either the US or Japan would destabilize China's economy and all their development would come to a halt. South Korea is further down the list of strong economies and unifying with the North, with all the expenses required in developing the North, would also pull that economy down. In short, what you're suggesting is that China wants to destroy both itself and the Asian economic miracle.

A different way to see what's going on in the North is that they are looking for food aid. They've undergone yet another drought this year. North Korea has zero food reserves. In the past, touting their nuclear program has gotten them food but not this time and none of the countries involved know how this is going to play out.

North Korea is also aware that a nuclear power commands respect on the world stage, one of the reasons they won't give it up. If and when NK can prove it's a nuclear power it can exercise more power on the world stage, much like we only pay attention to Pakistan now because they have nukes.

If you step back and refocus you might see that North Korea is where they are economical because western powers, led by the US after the Cold War, isolated NK. They have never been able to rule themselves without outside forces trying to destabilize them. Perhaps, had they been allowed to trade they wouldn't be so antagonist and feel they need nukes to protect themselves. But people cry that we can't support that kind of regime! Lord knows the worlds been dealing with another odious country these past thirty years: Saudi Arabia. Yes, we could have kept our noses out of the Koreas and the world today might have been safer for it.
 
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 12:36:28 pm »

While I support North Korea for being one of the only nations in the world without a global centralized banking system run by the Rothschild empire, I also understand that nukes are totally fake. Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They said nobody could live their for a million years without dying of cancer, yet they are bustling cities. Nukes are fake. The elements are a valuable resource, and they want to act like they are dangerous to monopolize them. Same thing in Chernobyl. The areas have big green plants growing and people living there without cancer. It's fake news. The infamous scientist Galen Winsor went on a tour in the 80s eating uranium and swimming in the pools at nuclear reactors. The US knows this as well, obviously. The whole show is just a big play. It's China's way of threatening the US propaganda machine AKA CNN that controls the public.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 02:19:34 pm »

North Korea seems determined to provoke the USA into attacking them. 
My current theory about this is that China is behind it, and will protect NK so that NK can overtake South Korea.. and then China will have all of Korea as their puppet to antagonize Japan and Guam. 
I also think that North Korea and China are in for a big surprise and will wish they had stuck to eating dogs and cats. 

You're theory has some flaws.   
 
China is the worlds biggest economy and relies upon both Japan and the US to manufacture there while, at the same time, Japan and the US consume Chinese made products. Any attack against either the US or Japan would destabilize China's economy and all their development would come to a halt. South Korea is further down the list of strong economies and unifying with the North, with all the expenses required in developing the North, would also pull that economy down. In short, what you're suggesting is that China wants to destroy both itself and the Asian economic miracle.


First of all... the one's to blame for the disaster in North Korea is North Korea.   They screwed themselves.   

As for who is the biggest economy, that would be the United States which is 24.32% of the world's economy.   China is a distant second at 14.84%     Considering that China has over 4 times the population of the USA... that is pretty pathetic!   Per capita, China only has about 3.7% of the world's economy. 
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 03:40:59 pm »


First of all... the one's to blame for the disaster in North Korea is North Korea.   They screwed themselves.   

As for who is the biggest economy, that would be the United States which is 24.32% of the world's economy.   China is a distant second at 14.84%     Considering that China has over 4 times the population of the USA... that is pretty pathetic!   Per capita, China only has about 3.7% of the world's economy. 
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

Like all statistics, they read based on which data you pull the numbers from. There are two principle ways banks and governments judge which is the bigger economy and both what you and I wrote are correct. I'm talking about **real terms** in which The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, and other financial/governmental entities declared in 2014 that China surpassed the US. You're talking GPD in which China is forecasted to overtake the US as early as next year. Neither set of numbers disproves what I said: Your thinking about China's motivations is flawed, unrealistic, and suicidal.   

And why do you feel a need to call another country "pathetic"? I don't see the point. 
   
China raised its people out from abject poverty and turned itself into a global superpower in twenty years -- 20. China in the 1990's was still largely dirt roads leading into and out of destitute villages where hunger was common and there was no infrastructure. Last year China landed their own rangers and telescopes ON THE MOON.

China is an amazing country you ought to visit. Myself, I was in Tibet for summer vacation. The Chinese are modernizing the country. It's incredible what they've been able to do.

As for North Korea, my point is only that the US has no business dictating other countries politics, especially when they've/we've been hypocritical with countries like Saudi Arabia.
   
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 03:48:24 pm »

While I support North Korea for being one of the only nations in the world without a global centralized banking system run by the Rothschild empire, I also understand that nukes are totally fake. Just look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They said nobody could live their for a million years without dying of cancer, yet they are bustling cities. Nukes are fake. The elements are a valuable resource, and they want to act like they are dangerous to monopolize them. Same thing in Chernobyl. The areas have big green plants growing and people living there without cancer. It's fake news. The infamous scientist Galen Winsor went on a tour in the 80s eating uranium and swimming in the pools at nuclear reactors. The US knows this as well, obviously. The whole show is just a big play. It's China's way of threatening the US propaganda machine AKA CNN that controls the public.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Fake news is useful when discussing bias but if you're actually saying that nuclear radiation is harmless -- if you really mean that -- I will pay for you to come here to Japan, I will volunteer your to go into one of the pools where the nuclear fuel rods are sitting to clean it up. You will get a hero's reward for your trouble -- you'll also be dead.

The reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki are habitable is that the bombs were detonated way up in the air. The fire bathed the ground; the fuel blew in many directions. In Fukushima the topsoil was literally scrapped off and in storage while the Japanese government builds a storage facility to bury it.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 07:09:57 pm »


First of all... the one's to blame for the disaster in North Korea is North Korea.   They screwed themselves.   

As for who is the biggest economy, that would be the United States which is 24.32% of the world's economy.   China is a distant second at 14.84%     Considering that China has over 4 times the population of the USA... that is pretty pathetic!   Per capita, China only has about 3.7% of the world's economy. 
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/

Like all statistics, they read based on which data you pull the numbers from. There are two principle ways banks and governments judge which is the bigger economy and both what you and I wrote are correct. I'm talking about **real terms** in which The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, and other financial/governmental entities declared in 2014 that China surpassed the US. You're talking GPD in which China is forecasted to overtake the US as early as next year. Neither set of numbers disproves what I said: Your thinking about China's motivations is flawed, unrealistic, and suicidal.   

And why do you feel a need to call another country "pathetic"? I don't see the point. 
   
China raised its people out from abject poverty and turned itself into a global superpower in twenty years -- 20. China in the 1990's was still largely dirt roads leading into and out of destitute villages where hunger was common and there was no infrastructure. Last year China landed their own rangers and telescopes ON THE MOON.

China is an amazing country you ought to visit. Myself, I was in Tibet for summer vacation. The Chinese are modernizing the country. It's incredible what they've been able to do.

As for North Korea, my point is only that the US has no business dictating other countries politics, especially when they've/we've been hypocritical with countries like Saudi Arabia.
   

Glad to see that China landed a telescope on the moon in 2016.   The USA landed men on the moon 48 years ago.
Maybe they will get around to inventing indoor plumbing soon.

I don't know where you are getting your information from.   Here is a link to the World Bank Rankings of 2016.   By the way, China's economy is slowing down.   
http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 07:43:38 pm »

The US did land them on the moon 48 years ago -- then never went back and has only recently looked towards Mars.   
   
By contrast, China's economy and infrastructure were similar to the US circa 1790 in 1969. Plus they were in the middle of a huge population explosion with massive hunger and Mao's great idea was to starve 20 - 45 million of his people to death. (numbers vary)   
   
To say China has made great strides forward does not diminish the United States accomplishments. The US should learn from China because we're sliding backward into poverty with a failing infrastructure and we're taking on more people with unnecessary immigration.    
   
As for numbers, the difference is real vs nominal. This article explains it simply. http://www.businessinsider.com/china-overtakes-us-as-worlds-largest-economy-2014-10   

(If you look for them you can read the original reports from The World Bank, etc.)
 
Perhaps it wasn't big news in the US but in 2014 when China entered the number one slot Japan was bumped to number three -- the news was all over the airwaves here. I got a great education into our economies are intertwined then.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 04:44:02 am »

The US did land them on the moon 48 years ago -- then never went back and has only recently looked towards Mars.   
   
By contrast, China's economy and infrastructure were similar to the US circa 1790 in 1969. Plus they were in the middle of a huge population explosion with massive hunger and Mao's great idea was to starve 20 - 45 million of his people to death. (numbers vary)   
   
To say China has made great strides forward does not diminish the United States accomplishments. The US should learn from China because we're sliding backward into poverty with a failing infrastructure and we're taking on more people with unnecessary immigration.    
   
As for numbers, the difference is real vs nominal. This article explains it simply. http://www.businessinsider.com/china-overtakes-us-as-worlds-largest-economy-2014-10   

(If you look for them you can read the original reports from The World Bank, etc.)
 
Perhaps it wasn't big news in the US but in 2014 when China entered the number one slot Japan was bumped to number three -- the news was all over the airwaves here. I got a great education into our economies are intertwined then.



Actually.. the USA's first manned mission to the moon was in 1969.   And we DID return. 
12 men have walked on the moon.. all USA.
Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17.  What is the point in going back to the moon over and over again, when the objective has been reached?
The reason for going to the moon was not to find some funny rocks, but as an excuse to fund the development of ICBMs. 
Similarly, the space shuttle program had a secret side.. The X-37B.   Those are unmanned shuttles that stay in orbit for years. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7qgZKh5X0U

That link you gave about the Chinese economy reveals the discrepancy in numbers.   It states that it is cheaper to buy the same products in Shanghai than in San Francisco.   Why?  because China is communist, and they rigidly control all prices.  Chinese people are virtually unable to purchase anything outside of China because their money isn't worth squat outside of China.  Their money basically only has value inside of China - which is typical of Communism.  In other words.. their economy is quite fake. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 04:58:58 am »

Well, their economy is fake enough that every bank on the planet is indebted to them. What are you trying to prove? I'm simply stating a fact. Depending on the numbers you use China and the US are interlocked between the number one and two slots and every forecast predicts that China will overtake the US as the world's largest economy in the short-term. 
   
As for communism, there are different kinds and it's really about the degree to which certain policies are implemented. So my question to you is what kind of Communist practices are you saying that China practices?   

By contrast, the US is a capitalist democracy but the policies we've put into place make ours blend something uniquely American, neither wholly capitalist nor democratic. China is no difference blend of economics and government it practices are not classical communism.   
 
But again, I don't understand what you want to say. You seem to be trying to dismiss anything positive about another country because it would imply the US is somehow lacking if you concede that another country has a positive? Is that your feeling?
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 05:36:38 am »

Well, their economy is fake enough that every bank on the planet is indebted to them. What are you trying to prove? I'm simply stating a fact. Depending on the numbers you use China and the US are interlocked between the number one and two slots and every forecast predicts that China will overtake the US as the world's largest economy in the short-term. 
   
As for communism, there are different kinds and it's really about the degree to which certain policies are implemented. So my question to you is what kind of Communist practices are you saying that China practices?   

By contrast, the US is a capitalist democracy but the policies we've put into place make ours blend something uniquely American, neither wholly capitalist nor democratic. China is no difference blend of economics and government it practices are not classical communism.   
 
But again, I don't understand what you want to say. You seem to be trying to dismiss anything positive about another country because it would imply the US is somehow lacking if you concede that another country has a positive? Is that your feeling?

I don't know why you keep praising China.
Throughout history, Japan has ALWAYS kicked China's ass even though China is a massive land mass with 1.3 billion people vs. 127 million people in Japan.  When one is dominated by a country less than 1/10th the population.. something is gagootz. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 05:56:59 am »

I'm stating facts. We all need to understand the realities in order to think about what's going on in the world, in order have an informed opinion. Stating the facts about China isn't praise, though it is true China has done a lot since the 80's that I admire in building its country.   
   
Your facts are wrong.   
 
In the 1800's Great Britain forced China to buy opium in trade for its goods. Opium. The UK caused an epidemic of drug addiction and colonized parts of its territory. You're right, China was fucked hard from the outside but it eventually got control of itself and has utterly transformed itself.   

And for historical accuracy, Japan occupied Manchuria, not the whole of China. Part of the reason Japan was able to do this (and part of the reason China and Taiwan were able to recover after WWII) is that Japan built infrastructure and focused on education. It could do this because of proximity. Contrast Japan's colonial results to what the UK did to India. 
 
Going back further in time, Japan got a lot of its culture from China. When China was a unified whole it shaped all of Asia. China didn't modernize at the same rate as the European powers. That, combined with the difficulties in maintaining a huge land mass at a time before electricity and effective communication, fragmented the country. I'm not going into it here but read the history of China before you assume it's some weak, hick backwater.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 06:31:15 am »

I'm stating facts. We all need to understand the realities in order to think about what's going on in the world, in order have an informed opinion. Stating the facts about China isn't praise, though it is true China has done a lot since the 80's that I admire in building its country.   
   
Your facts are wrong.   
 
In the 1800's Great Britain forced China to buy opium in trade for its goods. Opium. The UK caused an epidemic of drug addiction and colonized parts of its territory. You're right, China was fucked hard from the outside but it eventually got control of itself and has utterly transformed itself.   

And for historical accuracy, Japan occupied Manchuria, not the whole of China. Part of the reason Japan was able to do this (and part of the reason China and Taiwan were able to recover after WWII) is that Japan built infrastructure and focused on education. It could do this because of proximity. Contrast Japan's colonial results to what the UK did to India. 
 
Going back further in time, Japan got a lot of its culture from China. When China was a unified whole it shaped all of Asia. China didn't modernize at the same rate as the European powers. That, combined with the difficulties in maintaining a huge land mass at a time before electricity and effective communication, fragmented the country. I'm not going into it here but read the history of China before you assume it's some weak, hick backwater.

I assume you live in Japan.. are you asian / japanese yourself?    One negative thing I have heard about Japan is that if you are not japanese, you are an outcast in society. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 07:53:28 am »

Oh, I'm a very white American expat. I've been living here for twenty plus years -- and will never go back.   
   
Perhaps what you said was true before the 90's but not being accepted and welcome into the society isn't the norm now. Let's put a caveat on that.   
 
If you live here and do not speak the language, you will not assimilate. Without understanding and speaking the language you will not be able to socialize. The people I've met who believe that Japan is a racist country are the people who expect Japan to bend its culture to suit them and speak English with/to them.

Since I learned the language I have never once been spoken to or treated unkindly or excluded. When I couldn't speak the language I often felt apart. 

These days more and more Japanese abled Western people are on TV. There was even a woman who was cast in the lead of a major Japanese TV series a couple of years ago. Japan knows it needs foreign workers and they're laying the groundwork.   
 
One more caveat: Generation snowflake. Oh, I hate these people. These pompous little shits who come here and expect everyone to bend over backword to their will -- oh, and they want to educate, too.

"Oh, women are so mistreated here. You should...". 
"Oh, you can't refuse me service, you have to work with me and my dictionary. I don't care if you have other customers...".
" Oh, what do you mean there's no vegetarian option? You have to accommodate me cry, cry, cry." 

A few weeks ago I was coming home from the airport by bus. This 30-ish-year-old woman ran to the bus with two young kids in tow, banged on the door as the bus was pulling away and demanded to be seated. The bus driver stopped and put her luggage in the outdoor compartment and let her board. She claimed to get car sick and requested the people in the front move so that she and her kids could sit up front. No one moved and she had to sit herself and her kids in various empty seats loudly complaining the whole time about how rude Japanese are.

The point is, pay attention to what kind of people say X is Y.


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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2017, 08:01:16 am »

Correction: NASA NEVER went to the moon. That is a total fabrication.

The obvious is obvious.

Don Pettit (Astro-Not) explains that NASA can't go back to the moon. Because they destroyed the technology. OK, we as taxpayers give them $18 Billion a year. They went 29 times to the moon, 6 times landing in person, and 30 years later they say, "We forgot how to go." AFTER going to Saturn. What a joke!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxJbQpdYINg&t

The reason they are saying this is because of so many people calling them out, and they can't fake it anymore.

Number 2, they lost all the videotapes of the original moon landing, because we have Photoshop now. What a disgrace. They DID NOT go to the moon. The Earth is Flat.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2017, 11:40:46 am »

Correction: NASA NEVER went to the moon. That is a total fabrication.

The obvious is obvious.

Don Pettit (Astro-Not) explains that NASA can't go back to the moon. Because they destroyed the technology. OK, we as taxpayers give them $18 Billion a year. They went 29 times to the moon, 6 times landing in person, and 30 years later they say, "We forgot how to go." AFTER going to Saturn. What a joke!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxJbQpdYINg&t

The reason they are saying this is because of so many people calling them out, and they can't fake it anymore.

Number 2, they lost all the videotapes of the original moon landing, because we have Photoshop now. What a disgrace. They DID NOT go to the moon. The Earth is Flat.

You
Are
Fascinating.

Do you know Poe's Law? Your posts are pitch perfect reflections: I can't tell if you're serious or not: I don't know whether to laugh or cringe.   

Bravo! This is as good as performance art.  Cheesy
If you're for real, however...  afraid
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2017, 01:12:05 pm »

Oh, I'm a very white American expat. I've been living here for twenty plus years -- and will never go back.   
   
Perhaps what you said was true before the 90's but not being accepted and welcome into the society isn't the norm now. Let's put a caveat on that.   
 
If you live here and do not speak the language, you will not assimilate. Without understanding and speaking the language you will not be able to socialize. The people I've met who believe that Japan is a racist country are the people who expect Japan to bend its culture to suit them and speak English with/to them.

Since I learned the language I have never once been spoken to or treated unkindly or excluded. When I couldn't speak the language I often felt apart. 

These days more and more Japanese abled Western people are on TV. There was even a woman who was cast in the lead of a major Japanese TV series a couple of years ago. Japan knows it needs foreign workers and they're laying the groundwork.   
 
One more caveat: Generation snowflake. Oh, I hate these people. These pompous little shits who come here and expect everyone to bend over backword to their will -- oh, and they want to educate, too.

"Oh, women are so mistreated here. You should...". 
"Oh, you can't refuse me service, you have to work with me and my dictionary. I don't care if you have other customers...".
" Oh, what do you mean there's no vegetarian option? You have to accommodate me cry, cry, cry." 

A few weeks ago I was coming home from the airport by bus. This 30-ish-year-old woman ran to the bus with two young kids in tow, banged on the door as the bus was pulling away and demanded to be seated. The bus driver stopped and put her luggage in the outdoor compartment and let her board. She claimed to get car sick and requested the people in the front move so that she and her kids could sit up front. No one moved and she had to sit herself and her kids in various empty seats loudly complaining the whole time about how rude Japanese are.

The point is, pay attention to what kind of people say X is Y.




In many areas of the USA, the opposite is true.   In my own experience, there are areas of Miami, Tampa, and NYC where if you don't speak SPANISH... you get treated like you just landed from Mars. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2017, 01:55:02 pm »

I've heard. 
 
I couldn't live in the US if I wanted to. The US is one big trigger for me: I have a short fuse for idiocy. On the plus side, watching Japanese news anchors have to explain why American suddenly started wearing vagina pink hats on their heads was priceless.

Watching America unravel while I've been over here broke my heart. I could rant at length but I have a hunch you'd already know my gripes.
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