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« on: September 28, 2017, 02:48:49 am »

Republicans have once again shown us how much they love ObamaCare.  They lied to the American people for 7 years.  They never had any intention on repealing it.  ObamaCare is the best they can do for a healthcare plan.  There is nothing better except single payer and they aren't going to allow that......yet.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 03:29:12 am »

Republicans have once again shown us how much they love ObamaCare.  They lied to the American people for 7 years.  They never had any intention on repealing it.  ObamaCare is the best they can do for a healthcare plan.  There is nothing better except single payer and they aren't going to allow that......yet.

What is better is government to stop forcing people to purchase healthcare that millions of them don't want nor need. 
Thank the democraps for that.   There is no way to provide healthcare to the entire country without millions of people getting screwed. 
Obamacare is, just what the Supreme Court said it was.. another tax.

Aadam101.. since you love Communism so much, why not move to North Korea? 
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 03:53:29 am »

I'm simply agreeing with what the Republicans want for America.  They want ObamaCare.  They LOVE it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 03:01:59 pm »

I'm simply agreeing with what the Republicans want for America.  They want ObamaCare.  They LOVE it.

As usual, you post misinformation and lies. 
None of the republican senators like Obamacare.  48 of the 52 of them were prepared to vote to repeal and replace it.   They need 50.  The 4 who  are hold outs want to wait until next year to deal with it. 

To be absolutely blunt, this is what happened:
John McCain has always been an idiot.  The only reason he got anywhere is because his daddy was a Navy Admiral.  McCain nearly destroyed an aircraft carrier, and in the process killed 131 people and severely wounded over 160 more.  He then did his best service to the country by becoming a prisoner of war. 
Even though Trump supported McCain in 2008 against Obama, and gave him a huge pile of money, in 2016 Trump said that McCain was no war hero.  Which is true. 
Because of that McCain hates Trump with a passion, and would do absolutely anything to screw Trump, including jeopardizing the entire republican party and the entire county.. just because he has a personal grudge against Trump.
For the past 7 years, McCain has been promising to repeal and replace Obamacare - and won re-election for another 6 year term in the 2016 election.   But then.. Trump won the presidency.. and suddenly, McCain has done everything possible to prevent Obamacare from being repealed and replaced.  What an asshole.   McCain is also extremely short-sighted, because from now on, McCain's legacy will be that of being the one that fucked healthcare for everybody.   
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 03:55:29 pm »




John McCain has always been an idiot.


So it is your belief that Conservatives nominate idiots to be President?  Hmmm.....
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 04:23:51 pm »

The real issue is that no one is fixing the health care system. For some people charging $99 for a $8 case of water is "price gouging" yet charging $800 for an $8 bag of saline is "healthcare". How to fix it:

Get the lobbyists out of Washingon by draining the swamp.
Don't make health insurance a for-profit business. Treat it like a utility.
Incentive doctors and hospitals for healthy patients. The profit is in keeping them sick and pill-addicted.
Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.


The Republican Party doesn't want the Federal government involved in health care, nor for it to be a right; the Democratic Party sees the federal government as the great protector and demands people get free healthcare even when The People haven't earned it. There's a compromise between the two where the Federal government fixes the prices the pharmaceutical companies charge by purchasing their services in bulk and giving the citizens the option to join or not join with their premiums being lower the longer they're in the program. Join when you're 65, get rapped. Join when your 21, by the time your 65 your premiums will not go up much because you've paid into the system.

Geeze, send me to Washington, already.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 06:50:44 pm »

The real issue is that no one is fixing the health care system. For some people charging $99 for a $8 case of water is "price gouging" yet charging $800 for an $8 bag of saline is "healthcare". How to fix it:

Get the lobbyists out of Washingon by draining the swamp.
Don't make health insurance a for-profit business. Treat it like a utility.
Incentive doctors and hospitals for healthy patients. The profit is in keeping them sick and pill-addicted.
Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.


The Republican Party doesn't want the Federal government involved in health care, nor for it to be a right; the Democratic Party sees the federal government as the great protector and demands people get free healthcare even when The People haven't earned it. There's a compromise between the two where the Federal government fixes the prices the pharmaceutical companies charge by purchasing their services in bulk and giving the citizens the option to join or not join with their premiums being lower the longer they're in the program. Join when you're 65, get rapped. Join when your 21, by the time your 65 your premiums will not go up much because you've paid into the system.

Geeze, send me to Washington, already.


A couple of years ago, my father had a 1 hour procedure followed by a 2 day hospital stay.  The bill for it was $78,000.   $28,000 of that was the surgeon's fee... apparently he get's paid $28,000 an hour.  For anesthesia.. a 1 liter bag of IV sedation was used.  I looked up the price on that 1 liter.. and it was $500... however.. I looked at the itemized bill, and the insurance company was billed $5000 for that liter of anesthesia..not $500.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 08:40:56 pm »

Incentive doctors and hospitals for healthy patients. The profit is in keeping them sick and pill-addicted.

That's exactly what ObamaCare did with the creation of ACO's.  Five years later and only 10 states have active ACO's and 13 more are in the works.  The other 27 have absolutely nothing.  States don't want to run healthcare. That  is why the Federal government stepped in.



Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.

This would put us all in danger.  Do you really want immigrants running around with contagious diseases?  We will all be sick.....
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2017, 01:00:34 am »

Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.

This would put us all in danger.  Do you really want immigrants running around with contagious diseases?  We will all be sick.....

I want to cut ILLEGAL immigration to zero. Honestly, I'm not pro-wall, but not against the government building one, either. (I always thought a workers exchange program would protect the peoples crossing the border, something like they had in the 50's.) So what I mean is that illegal immigrants should not have access to health care unless they pay for it. If some US citizens get sick, that might incentivize voters to push for stricter border control.

My father's family immigrated to the US from Portugal between the 50's and 60's. Once one member was in, the whole family, all 13 brothers and sisters, their wives and children, were allowed it. I love my family but I recognize that they took advantage of a great kindness extended by the US as those older aunts and uncles needed a lot of medical care when they came over -- a lot. Because of SSI, Medical, Medicaid their health care was all free. These people were in the US legally, so if you tack on the illegals the cost to tax payers grows even more.

In my families case, every single child (all of my cousins) pay taxes. A good many started their own companies, too. But illegal immigrants don't pay anything into the system, so they should be excluded, cold-hearted as that may sound.

@Frederik, I work at an international high school in Japan. Once a year they take our second year students (eleventh grade US) abroad. The students used to be taken to Los Angeles. A few years back, a few of the girls snuck out of the hotel and somehow got booze. The next morning they had their first hangover. Japan being Japan, they took them to the hospital for an IV and to double check that they were okay. The hospital didn't  recognize the Japanese health insurance and demanded 5000USD up front to even see them.

The teachers paid the money (and were later reimbursed through Japanese health care) and the fees took all that money.

The board of education canceled all school trips to the US, permanently. If schools go there now, they are private.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2017, 01:55:36 am »

Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.

This would put us all in danger.  Do you really want immigrants running around with contagious diseases?  We will all be sick.....

I want to cut ILLEGAL immigration to zero. Honestly, I'm not pro-wall, but not against the government building one, either. (I always thought a workers exchange program would protect the peoples crossing the border, something like they had in the 50's.) So what I mean is that illegal immigrants should not have access to health care unless they pay for it. If some US citizens get sick, that might incentivize voters to push for stricter border control.

My father's family immigrated to the US from Portugal between the 50's and 60's. Once one member was in, the whole family, all 13 brothers and sisters, their wives and children, were allowed it. I love my family but I recognize that they took advantage of a great kindness extended by the US as those older aunts and uncles needed a lot of medical care when they came over -- a lot. Because of SSI, Medical, Medicaid their health care was all free. These people were in the US legally, so if you tack on the illegals the cost to tax payers grows even more.

In my families case, every single child (all of my cousins) pay taxes. A good many started their own companies, too. But illegal immigrants don't pay anything into the system, so they should be excluded, cold-hearted as that may sound.

@Frederik, I work at an international high school in Japan. Once a year they take our second year students (eleventh grade US) abroad. The students used to be taken to Los Angeles. A few years back, a few of the girls snuck out of the hotel and somehow got booze. The next morning they had their first hangover. Japan being Japan, they took them to the hospital for an IV and to double check that they were okay. The hospital didn't  recognize the Japanese health insurance and demanded 5000USD up front to even see them.

The teachers paid the money (and were later reimbursed through Japanese health care) and the fees took all that money.

The board of education canceled all school trips to the US, permanently. If schools go there now, they are private.

Trump will never do that.  His own wife spit all over Americans when she worked here illegally.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2017, 01:56:37 am »

Take the non-tax payers out of the system -- no more illegal immigrants eating up services.

This would put us all in danger.  Do you really want immigrants running around with contagious diseases?  We will all be sick.....

I want to cut ILLEGAL immigration to zero. Honestly, I'm not pro-wall, but not against the government building one, either. (I always thought a workers exchange program would protect the peoples crossing the border, something like they had in the 50's.) So what I mean is that illegal immigrants should not have access to health care unless they pay for it. If some US citizens get sick, that might incentivize voters to push for stricter border control.

My father's family immigrated to the US from Portugal between the 50's and 60's. Once one member was in, the whole family, all 13 brothers and sisters, their wives and children, were allowed it. I love my family but I recognize that they took advantage of a great kindness extended by the US as those older aunts and uncles needed a lot of medical care when they came over -- a lot. Because of SSI, Medical, Medicaid their health care was all free. These people were in the US legally, so if you tack on the illegals the cost to tax payers grows even more.

In my families case, every single child (all of my cousins) pay taxes. A good many started their own companies, too. But illegal immigrants don't pay anything into the system, so they should be excluded, cold-hearted as that may sound.

@Frederik, I work at an international high school in Japan. Once a year they take our second year students (eleventh grade US) abroad. The students used to be taken to Los Angeles. A few years back, a few of the girls snuck out of the hotel and somehow got booze. The next morning they had their first hangover. Japan being Japan, they took them to the hospital for an IV and to double check that they were okay. The hospital didn't  recognize the Japanese health insurance and demanded 5000USD up front to even see them.

The teachers paid the money (and were later reimbursed through Japanese health care) and the fees took all that money.

The board of education canceled all school trips to the US, permanently. If schools go there now, they are private.

Good for them!  There was a similar incident a year ago involving school trips to Washington DC.    I forget the circumstances, but they decided to stop doing school trips to Washington DC.

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I don't think moonbats understand the word "ILLEGAL".   Moonbats want to allow people do to illegal stuff.  
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2017, 02:32:20 am »


What are you saying Trump will never do? It's not clear to me from the context.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2017, 03:51:55 am »


Trying to figure out his his context is like trying to figure out what someone ate for dinner by smelling their farts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2017, 04:08:10 am »


Trump will never eliminate illegal immigration.

1. He married a woman who spit all over Americans when she worked here illegally.
2. You can't grow the economy if you reduce the population.  Immigrants (legal and illegal) buy things.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2017, 04:22:21 am »


Trump will never eliminate illegal immigration.

1. He married a woman who spit all over Americans when she worked here illegally.
2. You can't grow the economy if you reduce the population.  Immigrants (legal and illegal) buy things.

Spitting?  really?   You sure do like to throw around absurd, exaggerated piffle, don't you? 

Bigger economy doesn't mean better.. so as always, you are wrong.   Trump is IMPROVING the economy. 
Let me break this down into an extreme example that you can understand:

a country of        1,000,000 people with a GNP of $1 trillion has a better economy than
a country of  1,000,000,000 people with a GNP of $2 trillion. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2017, 04:32:15 am »

Trump will never eliminate illegal immigration.

1. He married a woman who spit all over Americans when she worked here illegally.
2. You can't grow the economy if you reduce the population.  Immigrants (legal and illegal) buy things.

It seems that you agree with me. Since you say Melania spat all over America by working here illegally then illegal immigrants do the same thing. At the very least you're saying that you disagree with illegal immigration, is that fair to infer?

It's true illegal and legal immigrants make purchases but only legal immigrants pay taxes that build and maintain the infrastructure and economy for long-term stability. Illegal immigrants are more likely to send their earnings back home as remittances and/or save their salary to later take back home.

I don't know of any study that shows the relative effects of legal vs illegal immigration but I'm willing to bet you that the effect of legal immigration is stronger and more long-lasting. In addition, keeping a strong immigration policy emphasizes that the law matters.
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