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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2017, 03:23:44 am »

@Adam, when a hospital charges 78,000 dollars (or 5000 in my school's case), where does that money go? Doctors aren't that rich. Seems like someone's getting a larger piece of the pay than they deserve.
udents anyway.

Wait, are you saying the insurance companys don't actually pay that large amount?

Insurers pay MUCH less than the bill you receive in the mail.  A $5000 charge to you would probably be paid at around $400 by an insurance company. 

What?  Blinking

Then why do hospitals make a big show of putting those super high costs on our bills, well, your bills. One step in making the healthcare industry seem less evil would be to show them charging less.

The industry does it to force people to buy health insurance.   It's either that or go bankrupt (or die).

Let them go bankrupt.  In capitalism.. failures go bankrupt.. and should.  The moonbats like to prop up failures by throwing money at doomed disasters.  Everytime the republicans try to change healthcare at all, the moonbats start whining that people will die.  People do die.  All people will eventually die except for me.  It's just a matter of when.  The moonbats don't even wait to evaluate the changes or even read the proposed legislation. 

Why should a person die from a disease that is curable?  How much money is your life worth?  Your dads life?  Is the amount different for him?
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2017, 02:05:56 pm »

@Adam, when a hospital charges 78,000 dollars (or 5000 in my school's case), where does that money go? Doctors aren't that rich. Seems like someone's getting a larger piece of the pay than they deserve.
udents anyway.

Wait, are you saying the insurance companys don't actually pay that large amount?

Insurers pay MUCH less than the bill you receive in the mail.  A $5000 charge to you would probably be paid at around $400 by an insurance company. 

What?  Blinking

Then why do hospitals make a big show of putting those super high costs on our bills, well, your bills. One step in making the healthcare industry seem less evil would be to show them charging less.

The industry does it to force people to buy health insurance.   It's either that or go bankrupt (or die).

Let them go bankrupt.  In capitalism.. failures go bankrupt.. and should.  The moonbats like to prop up failures by throwing money at doomed disasters.  Everytime the republicans try to change healthcare at all, the moonbats start whining that people will die.  People do die.  All people will eventually die except for me.  It's just a matter of when.  The moonbats don't even wait to evaluate the changes or even read the proposed legislation. 

Why should a person die from a disease that is curable?  How much money is your life worth?  Your dads life?  Is the amount different for him?

You never know what your next day will bring up..

That's life!

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2017, 08:22:48 pm »

@Adam, when a hospital charges 78,000 dollars (or 5000 in my school's case), where does that money go? Doctors aren't that rich. Seems like someone's getting a larger piece of the pay than they deserve.
udents anyway.

Wait, are you saying the insurance companys don't actually pay that large amount?

Insurers pay MUCH less than the bill you receive in the mail.  A $5000 charge to you would probably be paid at around $400 by an insurance company. 

What?  Blinking

Then why do hospitals make a big show of putting those super high costs on our bills, well, your bills. One step in making the healthcare industry seem less evil would be to show them charging less.

The industry does it to force people to buy health insurance.   It's either that or go bankrupt (or die).

Let them go bankrupt.  In capitalism.. failures go bankrupt.. and should.  The moonbats like to prop up failures by throwing money at doomed disasters.  Everytime the republicans try to change healthcare at all, the moonbats start whining that people will die.  People do die.  All people will eventually die except for me.  It's just a matter of when.  The moonbats don't even wait to evaluate the changes or even read the proposed legislation. 

Why should a person die from a disease that is curable?  How much money is your life worth?  Your dads life?  Is the amount different for him?

You never know what your next day will bring up..

That's life!

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2017, 12:24:52 am »


To a point I agree with you: That's life. If the life choices you've made lead to a place where you're grossly obese and you're heart can't take the strain, or you have type two diabetes, etc. When someone is born with a birth defect that in previous times would have meant they die, or that life would only be physical suffering then I understand your sentiment, that's life.

But in today's America and Europe it's still possible to get the common cold and die.

There's that famous footage from Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko, where a man had to choose between one of two fingers after an accident because of the cost.

This is a philosophical topic otherwise it becomes a long branching road that leads to Sarah Palin's death panels.
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2017, 01:46:23 am »


To a point I agree with you: That's life. If the life choices you've made lead to a place where you're grossly obese and you're heart can't take the strain, or you have type two diabetes, etc. When someone is born with a birth defect that in previous times would have meant they die, or that life would only be physical suffering then I understand your sentiment, that's life.

But in today's America and Europe it's still possible to get the common cold and die.

There's that famous footage from Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko, where a man had to choose between one of two fingers after an accident because of the cost.

This is a philosophical topic otherwise it becomes a long branching road that leads to Sarah Palin's death panels.

There is a mystery about fat / obesity.   Some people eat like pigs.. and are quite thin, while other people eat like pigs and are 600 pounds of unidentifiable flesh.   I don't eat much.. and don't eat junk food or candy.. and eat healthy stuff.  I don't have any external flab.  My blood work is perfect.  My heart is perfect.  I'm surprisingly strong considering I don't work out at all (a tall, very butch neighbor found that out the hard way last month).  However, I have what is called "visceral" abdominal / internal fat that I can't get rid of.  It's a genetic thing from my Norwegian ancestry.   In Norway, there were many famines.  People without stores of body fat did not survive the famines.  Those built like Hagar The Horrible did survive.  I think it is related to having a slow metabolism.  My family members typically live into their 90's unless they were severe alcoholics and smoked all day long. 

Decades ago, there was a cocktail medication known as "PhenFen" which effectively caused people to lose weight.. but like always.. some people took WAY more of the medication than they were supposed to and died of heart attacks, so that combination of medications is no longer available for weight loss. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2017, 04:08:35 am »


To a point I agree with you: That's life. If the life choices you've made lead to a place where you're grossly obese and you're heart can't take the strain, or you have type two diabetes, etc. When someone is born with a birth defect that in previous times would have meant they die, or that life would only be physical suffering then I understand your sentiment, that's life.

But in today's America and Europe it's still possible to get the common cold and die.

There's that famous footage from Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko, where a man had to choose between one of two fingers after an accident because of the cost.

This is a philosophical topic otherwise it becomes a long branching road that leads to Sarah Palin's death panels.

There is a mystery about fat / obesity.   Some people eat like pigs.. and are quite thin, while other people eat like pigs and are 600 pounds of unidentifiable flesh.   I don't eat much.. and don't eat junk food or candy.. and eat healthy stuff.  I don't have any external flab.  My blood work is perfect.  My heart is perfect.  I'm surprisingly strong considering I don't work out at all (a tall, very butch neighbor found that out the hard way last month).  However, I have what is called "visceral" abdominal / internal fat that I can't get rid of.  It's a genetic thing from my Norwegian ancestry.   In Norway, there were many famines.  People without stores of body fat did not survive the famines.  Those built like Hagar The Horrible did survive.  I think it is related to having a slow metabolism.  My family members typically live into their 90's unless they were severe alcoholics and smoked all day long. 

Decades ago, there was a cocktail medication known as "PhenFen" which effectively caused people to lose weight.. but like always.. some people took WAY more of the medication than they were supposed to and died of heart attacks, so that combination of medications is no longer available for weight loss. 

The drug combination fenfluramine/phentermine, usually called fen-phen, was an anti-obesity treatment that utilized two anorectics.

Fenfluramine was marketed by American Home Products (later known as Wyeth) as Pondimin, but was shown to cause potentially fatal pulmonary hypertension and heart valve problems, which eventually led to its withdrawal and legal damages of over $13 billion!

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2017, 04:51:56 am »



The drug combination fenfluramine/phentermine, usually called fen-phen, was an anti-obesity treatment that utilized two anorectics.

Fenfluramine was marketed by American Home Products (later known as Wyeth) as Pondimin, but was shown to cause potentially fatal pulmonary hypertension and heart valve problems, which eventually led to its withdrawal and legal damages of over $13 billion!

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2017, 05:46:53 am »


To a point I agree with you: That's life. If the life choices you've made lead to a place where you're grossly obese and you're heart can't take the strain, or you have type two diabetes, etc. When someone is born with a birth defect that in previous times would have meant they die, or that life would only be physical suffering then I understand your sentiment, that's life.

But in today's America and Europe it's still possible to get the common cold and die.

There's that famous footage from Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko, where a man had to choose between one of two fingers after an accident because of the cost.

This is a philosophical topic otherwise it becomes a long branching road that leads to Sarah Palin's death panels.

There is a mystery about fat / obesity.   Some people eat like pigs.. and are quite thin, while other people eat like pigs and are 600 pounds of unidentifiable flesh.   I don't eat much.. and don't eat junk food or candy.. and eat healthy stuff.  I don't have any external flab.  My blood work is perfect.  My heart is perfect.  I'm surprisingly strong considering I don't work out at all (a tall, very butch neighbor found that out the hard way last month).  However, I have what is called "visceral" abdominal / internal fat that I can't get rid of.  It's a genetic thing from my Norwegian ancestry.   In Norway, there were many famines.  People without stores of body fat did not survive the famines.  Those built like Hagar The Horrible did survive.  I think it is related to having a slow metabolism.  My family members typically live into their 90's unless they were severe alcoholics and smoked all day long. 

Decades ago, there was a cocktail medication known as "PhenFen" which effectively caused people to lose weight.. but like always.. some people took WAY more of the medication than they were supposed to and died of heart attacks, so that combination of medications is no longer available for weight loss. 

The drug combination fenfluramine/phentermine, usually called fen-phen, was an anti-obesity treatment that utilized two anorectics.

Fenfluramine was marketed by American Home Products (later known as Wyeth) as Pondimin, but was shown to cause potentially fatal pulmonary hypertension and heart valve problems, which eventually led to its withdrawal and legal damages of over $13 billion!

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That is true, but it was actually a good drug combination.  The problem was that people were abusing it... taking far more than the recommended dosage.  One can die from drinking too much water or breathing pure oxygen. 
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2017, 01:01:24 pm »



The drug combination fenfluramine/phentermine, usually called fen-phen, was an anti-obesity treatment that utilized two anorectics.

Fenfluramine was marketed by American Home Products (later known as Wyeth) as Pondimin, but was shown to cause potentially fatal pulmonary hypertension and heart valve problems, which eventually led to its withdrawal and legal damages of over $13 billion!

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