Is asking a person out on a date who has already said no again sexual harassment
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 12:45:29 am »

Bump, as this has gotten buried and I'd like to hear what you have to say.

I feel you're misrepresenting my argument.

Your original argument was that there is a long history in literature giving positive images of asking a person out after they've said 'no' which implies it's permissable.  I replied that there's a long history in literature of things that we would recognize as rape being romanticized.

Now you say, I should use examples from the past to justify present behaviour.  Which you were doing.

I hate to break it to you.  YAOI, Bodice-Rippers, and M/M are still being written.

You and I are miscommunicating then.

What I've been trying to say, repeatedly, is that you can't go back in time and lense a story like Beauty & The Beast as supporting rape culture. No. It doesn't work. Those stories were written in a different time which had a different culture from today so if your argument is that there is a long unbroken line of rape culture stretching back millennia, I'm calling bullshit and hypocrisy: If you go that route then the Chrisitan Right and Constitutional Originalists are correct, I don't believe you think that.

I brought up Yaoi because, unless you're fluent in Japanese as I am (20+ year veteran here), then you're pulling the biggest act of white privilege there is and telling another culture what their stories mean.

(To be clear, I don't support the idea of White Privilege but they go hand in hand with reinterpreting the past.)

What I've been saying is that there is an unbroken line from the Troubadours forward that has determined what these stories mean, so that when Disney reimagines B&tB it is connected to the intent of the source material, not the revisionists.

Given all that, I do enjoy cultural critiques using Feminism and Post-Colonial theories but they can not be used to rewrite history, just give an alternative vision to help us think -- that's useful. The problem is that cultural critiques are trying to write legally binding laws.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 02:24:23 am »

In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go.  And it's from the UK, no less:

https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community   Cool
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 11:48:38 pm »

In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go.  And it's from the UK, no less:

https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community   Cool

In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2017, 02:30:34 am »

In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go.  And it's from the UK, no less:

https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community   Cool

In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.

Yes, and  Thank you

What's nice about that "Consent" thread -- as of this writing -- is that the posters are sharing their own interesting stories about consent, and it's very focused, on-topic, and almost free of hyperbole.  Unfortunately, it still has some classless vulgarity, a trend that seems to have increased as of late, and does nothing to prove a point or lend credibility to the individual.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2017, 11:33:23 pm »

In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go.  And it's from the UK, no less:

https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community   Cool

In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.

Yes, and  Thank you

What's nice about that "Consent" thread -- as of this writing -- is that the posters are sharing their own interesting stories about consent, and it's very focused, on-topic, and almost free of hyperbole.  Unfortunately, it still has some classless vulgarity, a trend that seems to have increased as of late, and does nothing to prove a point or lend credibility to the individual.



Yes. But not so bad as before. Much easier to read here now. I maybe getting more comfortable to post my opinions here.
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