Kevin Spacey comes out after being accused of sexual harassment 30 years ago
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« on: October 30, 2017, 06:58:37 am »

First of all, thirty years ago? Reall?  Crazy? 

Second, yum.

Thoughts?


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/kevin-spacey-gay-article-1.3598122
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 10:24:35 am »

I thought he came out ages ago (more than a decade). 
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 10:28:12 pm »

Well.  I kinda figured that, especially with all that's going on with Harvey W.  Wow is all I have to say. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 11:47:59 pm »

I thought he came out ages ago (more than a decade). 

That was also my first immediate thought, raphjd!

On one hand, I am glad that he feels able to publicly embrace his sexuality after all of these years attempting to deny. On the other, I am concern that his response was a deflection from the accusation that he molested a minor. In my opinion this is harmful to the LGBTQ community. These issues should not be conflated... being gay is not an excuse to molest a minor.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 11:56:00 pm »

In light of Rapp's allegations, and Spacey's non-denial and "if I was drunk" defense, the very notion that ol' Kevin  has "chosen" this moment to come out is offensive, and he is reaping the whirlwind of social media disgust.

Comng out?  To the blind?  As just one facet, he has taken a bevy of m-u-c-h younger men to the Emmys and Oscars...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/19/05/388E15D800000578-0-image-a-107_1474260075828.jpg

I enjoy Spacey's acting and choice of film roles -- eternally grateful for putting Gwynnie's head in that infamous box -- but I am no fan of the 26-on-14 age associated with the alleged past events.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 01:55:30 pm »

In light of Rapp's allegations, and Spacey's non-denial and "if I was drunk" defense, the very notion that ol' Kevin  has "chosen" this moment to come out is offensive, and he is reaping the whirlwind of social media disgust.

Comng out?  To the blind?  As just one facet, he has taken a bevy of m-u-c-h younger men to the Emmys and Oscars...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/19/05/388E15D800000578-0-image-a-107_1474260075828.jpg

I enjoy Spacey's acting and choice of film roles -- eternally grateful for putting Gwynnie's head in that infamous box -- but I am no fan of the 26-on-14 age associated with the alleged past events.

I'd be the first person to look for capital punishment over abusing a minor but what bugs me about this is:

1) Thirty years ago. He didn't actually rape the boy, he hit on him in an aggressive manner. If there were multiple people coming out saying he was actively raping 14-year-olds, that'd be a different matter.

2) What are his accusers saying he did? Is this a George W. Bush pat on the behind or physically holding a person down to touch their genitals? We don't know. We just know that people know he was a creep but there's no law against being a dirty old man.

3) People change. This is less about Stacey than about these accusations from decades past. There is no way to substantiate them. Even if 1000 people come forward, it's not proof. There's the famous case of the director for Jeepers Creepers. He molested a 13-year-old. The story says it was consensual, meaning he didn't physically attack the boy but took advantage of him. That also happened about 30 years ago and people boycotted his most recent film because of it. I think that's wrong, just as it is wrong to convict a man in the court of public opinion like they're doing with Stacey.

Had he done this in 2016, yeah, I'd be on board but 30 years ago?

As for his coming out, he's obviously deflecting but unless we've become God we shouldn't be judging him.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 09:42:28 pm »

Personally, it sounds like a distraction to oTHER things in the news. Blinking
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 10:34:13 am »

He's a scumbag. I liked TLo's take on it: http://tomandlorenzo.com/2017/10/behalf-lgbt-community-fuck-off-kevin-spacey/

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No. Absolutely fucking not. Coming out is a painful, exhilarating moment of truth for every LGBT person and many if not most of us have approached it with incredible fear and even reverence. It’s about stating the truth of yourself in front of a world that seeks to oppose that truth. It’s the entire reason why we have PRIDE parades; not because we’re gay or bi or trans or queer, but because we had the strength to come out and say so. To state the truth of your orientation and desires is a beautiful moment that, quite frankly, most heterosexual or cisgender people simply cannot understand fully. It’s the moment you give birth to yourself.

And it’s a moment Kevin Spacey has spent decades avoiding and denying, even after the allegations and insinuations piled up to the point where it became undeniable. Spacey never once stated the truth of himself, prefering to obfuscate, if not outright lie; and when that became untenable, he switched over to making winking jokes on the matter, all while never once stating the truth.

And all of that? His choice. Truly. We don’t respect a man of his age and standing refusing to be open about who he is, but we respect his right to make that choice. But we vehemently reject the use of the standard celebrity coming-out announcement to distract from the fact that serious allegations have been made against him. (...) Fuck you for hiding behind the rainbow flag – the very one you ran screaming from for two decades – when your shit went public. You’re revolting.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 10:01:00 pm »

OMG
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2017, 12:28:44 am »

His "apology" was anything but. I think it's insulting to side-step the whole accusation and use this attention to come out. It really does not make gay men look good.
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2017, 04:25:59 am »

And, as it so often happens, the problem wasn't one incident that happened when he was drunk 30 years ago but an on-going list of accusations over the last 30 years.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2017, 04:06:53 pm »

i'm shocked ..... not  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 03:37:11 pm »

Before Kevin Spacey, I didn't think that there was such a thing as "a bad time to come out". Now I do.
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 10:28:32 pm »

Sounds whacky, but I still think the entire thing was just a media distraction from the REAL news.  Crazy?
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