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« on: November 03, 2017, 10:36:14 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 11:41:03 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"


Sigh.

Yes, by all means, Planned Parenthood offers abortion referral and services.  They also offer birth control services -- a nice way to reduce the former! -- along with general health care, HIV services, LGBT-focused services, pregnancy testing, and yes, even men's health services.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services

According to a 2015 CNN article updated in August, Planned Parenthood reports that 80% of its patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/health/planned-parenthood-by-the-numbers/index.html

And you can choose to believe it or not, doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.  It is a shame, though, that you feel compelled to float such an easily dismissed claim.

I realize a number of your recent political threads -- some about Trump, and all of them far more more interesting -- were commandeered to off-topic screeds about the pernicious evils of women.  But it's a very tired bandwagon.  And as far as this Planned Parenthood nonsense, I fear I must put the receiver down.

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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2017, 12:02:57 am »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"


Sigh.

Yes, by all means, Planned Parenthood offers abortion referral and services.  They also offer birth control services -- a nice way to reduce the former! -- along with general health care, HIV services, LGBT-focused services, pregnancy testing, and yes, even men's health services.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services

According to a 2015 CNN article updated in August, Planned Parenthood reports that 80% of its patients receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/health/planned-parenthood-by-the-numbers/index.html

And you can choose to believe it or not, doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.  It is a shame, though, that you feel compelled to float such an easily dismissed claim.

I realize a number of your recent political threads -- some about Trump, and all of them far more more interesting -- were commandeered to off-topic screeds about the pernicious evils of women.  But it's a very tired bandwagon.  And as far as this Planned Parenthood nonsense, I fear I must put the receiver down.

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You slithered by that one...

The name of the organization is "Planned Parenthood"  yet it's overwhelming goal is to PREVENT "Parenthood". 
I think they should try renaming it to the more appropriate "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"  and see how people react.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 12:13:15 am »

You slithered by that one...

The name of the organization is "Planned Parenthood"  yet it's overwhelming goal is to PREVENT "Parenthood". 
I think they should try renaming it to the more appropriate "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"  and see how people react.

I know, right. I go to Burger King and am waited on by mere serfs -- I came for The King. And where is the cocain in my Coca Cola? And The Pill? Pure bullshit, it's not ONE pill but an a lifetime commitment.

Planned Parenthood has a range of services. Some, like providing hormones for trans people, shouldn't be offered, imho. If you're trying to be clever with wordplay, you fell short. If you're trying to point out that the government shouldn't fund PP because part of planning for parenthood is abortion, well, that is an interesting topic.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 12:31:22 am »

Yes to both of you, government's role in abortion (probably in a dozen prior abandoned threads here), is always interesting as a topic, and nice and incendiary, lol.



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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 02:44:49 am »

You slithered by that one...

The name of the organization is "Planned Parenthood"  yet it's overwhelming goal is to PREVENT "Parenthood". 
I think they should try renaming it to the more appropriate "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"  and see how people react.

I know, right. I go to Burger King and am waited on by mere serfs -- I came for The King. And where is the cocain in my Coca Cola? And The Pill? Pure bullshit, it's not ONE pill but an a lifetime commitment.

Planned Parenthood has a range of services. Some, like providing hormones for trans people, shouldn't be offered, imho. If you're trying to be clever with wordplay, you fell short. If you're trying to point out that the government shouldn't fund PP because part of planning for parenthood is abortion, well, that is an interesting topic.

I'm not sure about this.. but my understanding is that birth control pills are only supposed to be used for a few years.  Using them for a lifetime is problematic. 
My sister-in-law didn't like the idea of taking pills, so she got implants in her arm.  Again, those are not meant to be used for a lifetime.  She used them continuously for decades and wound up with what was supposed to be terminal cancer.  I have not seen her in years.   I think she is still alive, but hanging on by a thread.   I would guess that she is on chemo, and if she discontinued the chemo she would die.  But.. chemo long-term will also kill someone.  Quite a price to pay for some birth control.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 06:18:41 am »

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  I realize a number of your recent political threads -- some about Trump, and all of them far more more interesting -- were commandeered to off-topic screeds about the pernicious evils of women.  But it's a very tired bandwagon.  And as far as this Planned Parenthood nonsense, I fear I must put the receiver down. 

LIAR!!!!!

Let's ignore for the fact that you, yourself took this thread off topic with this crap.   No one, despite your blatant bullshit has blamed ALL women for anything.   Let's be honest for a sec, if you can manage for that long.   The complaints you refer to are about feminists and their cucks.    It's never been about ALL WOMEN, as you claim.   

You are a typical religious fanatic.  Your religion gets attacked and you claim we are attacking all people. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 03:27:44 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"



Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2017, 03:44:46 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"



Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.

Someone fairly new to this forum has often chastised me for being harsh with the moonbats.  I hope he sees your comments Icc.. because your comments explain the need to treat you moonbats as insects that need to be squashed.  There is no point in trying to have a constructive, rational exchange with someone like yourself who has their bowels emptying out their head instead of their ass. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 09:36:45 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"?  

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD.  

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"



Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.


 police   Either add something of value to the conversation or leave the thread.      Your post borders on flaming because it has nothing but insults without further comment to justify what you said.   police
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 11:16:34 pm »

Why would an organization that exists to ABORT babies from UNPLANNED pregnancies be called "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"? 

I should hope that there is nothing PLANNED about an abortion  (although I can think of at least one woman who said she was going to get pregnant just so she could exercise her right to have an abortion).   Abortion does not lead to PARENTHOOD. 

I'm trying to think of a better name for their group.     Hmm...   how about "Snip My Baby's Brain Stem To Prevent Parenthood"?
SMBBSTPP
It's kind of catchy...
"S-M-B-B....   S-T-P-P"



Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.


 police   Either ad something of value to the conversation of leave the thread.      Your post borders on flaming because it has nothing but insults without further comment to justify what you said.   police

Yes, and he hurt my feelings.  I was crying my eyes out for hours.  It reminds me of when I was raped by Lacy Green!    blow nose
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 12:04:37 am »


Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.

Someone fairly new to this forum has often chastised me for being harsh with the moonbats.  I hope he sees your comments Icc.. because your comments explain the need to treat you moonbats as insects that need to be squashed.  There is no point in trying to have a constructive, rational exchange with someone like yourself who has their bowels emptying out their head instead of their ass.  

Hey, hey, hey!

One, ICC there's never a need to throw such an insult.  Spank
There's a human being on the other end of the keyboard, you know.  Spank
And two, Fred there's no need to "squash" someone for commenting like a child. Be the adult in the situation.  Crazy?
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 01:09:02 am »


Youre not very smart. You think you are but no. Just more bullshit.

Someone fairly new to this forum has often chastised me for being harsh with the moonbats.  I hope he sees your comments Icc.. because your comments explain the need to treat you moonbats as insects that need to be squashed.  There is no point in trying to have a constructive, rational exchange with someone like yourself who has their bowels emptying out their head instead of their ass. 

Hey, hey, hey!

One, there's never a need to throw such an insult.  Spank
There's a human being on the other end of the keyboard, you know.  Spank


My comment earned me two spankings!  So it was worth it!   Cheers
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Hey, hey, hey!

One, there's never a need to throw such an insult.  Spank
There's a human being on the other end of the keyboard, you know.  Spank


My comment earned me two spankings!  So it was worth it!   Cheers

No, no, dear. You get the third emoji, the scolding. ICC gets a double pounding.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 01:45:47 pm »

Since abortions are such a tiny part of what PP does (feminist narrative), then we can get rid of it and not make a difference. 

The truth is, feminist don't protest about losing "the pill" if PP is defunded.   They only protest about losing the ability to have abortion on demand. 

There's a video of Congressman Trey Gowdy questioning some vaginalist about PP and defunding it.   She admits that birth control is done through countless venues; clinics, PP, and whatnot.   In the end, she admits we only need PP to provide abortions, since all the other bits are done, and done well, in other venues.   
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 02:05:39 pm »

Since abortions are such a tiny part of what PP does (feminist narrative), then we can get rid of it and not make a difference. 

The truth is, feminist don't protest about losing "the pill" if PP is defunded.   They only protest about losing the ability to have abortion on demand. 

There's a video of Congressman Trey Gowdy questioning some vaginalist about PP and defunding it.   She admits that birth control is done through countless venues; clinics, PP, and whatnot.   In the end, she admits we only need PP to provide abortions, since all the other bits are done, and done well, in other venues.   

The question about PP is about Federal funding. If our taxes are used to fund abortion, then does that violate the religious freedoms of people whose religion says abortion is a sin punishable by their god? There might be other people out there, raphjd might be one of them, that are just against giving women access to x, y, z which PP provides.

Myself, there are enough shitty parents out there. I'm all for opening up a drive-through abortion clinic if it'll get the babies out of people who have no business raising a child. I'm all for making all forms of birth control free if it'll prevent some of the horror stories we see kids growing up in. But I'm one of 350,000,000 people. I have to be ready to compromise. What that compromise should be is the discussion.

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 03:43:19 pm »

Not just federal taxes, but any tax money.   

I'm not against women having these services, but why should I pay for it?  I'm mostly "pro choice".

Why PP?   As we saw in the previously mentioned video, vaginalists admit that these services are available elsewhere.   So why do we specifically need PP?

Why is it ok for the founder of PP to be anti-black racist (paraphrase;  blacks are weeds that need to be eradicated), because that's "historical", but a celeb can't say "nice tits" in a historical case?    Hypocrite much?!   NOTE:  not directed at anyone specific, just something I've seen when discussing PP.

OK, so you are pro death in all cases.   You support abortion and executing innocent people.   At least you are consistent, you believe in killing those who have done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 04:09:12 pm »

OK, so you are pro death in all cases.   You support abortion and executing innocent people.   At least you are consistent, you believe in killing those who have done nothing wrong.

I've been told I'm a candid SOB. Don't mischaracterize my idea. I support a system in which the guilty are locked up even if that means there are innocent people in the mix. If I want to mischaracterise you, I could say that you're for setting the guilt free to prey upon the innocent, but that isn't what you mean, is it?

Speaking of misrepresenting...

Not just federal taxes, but any tax money.   

I'm not against women having these services, but why should I pay for it?  I'm mostly "pro choice".

Why PP?   As we saw in the previously mentioned video, vaginalists admit that these services are available elsewhere.   So why do we specifically need PP?

You don't pay for PP. Your taxes go into a collective pool of money that pays for a lot of things. When people say they pay for PP or abortion, the arguments get personal. Think back to Kim Davis. She was a cog in the machine but let her ego dictate what the office she held stood for.

You and I live as one member of a nation and there are a lot of people who have said that these services are necessary for them. I haven't interest enough in the issue to look into it, so I'll take them at their word. I only see that people are pissed about abortion, which the Supreme Court upheld as a right. Fire up the stirrups and prime the morning after pills and let's cull next years crop of bad mothers 'n' fathers.
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 04:47:37 pm »

You believe in "net fishing" justice or the "kill them all, god will know his own" crap.     Maybe I should start wishing people like you get the justice you demand others suffer. 


Tax money is used to fund PP, I pay taxes, therefore I pay to fund PP. 
 

Kim Davis has nothing to do with this.   She was an office holder who violated her oath of office.  NOT THE SAME THING.


No one is denying anyone services, as the vaginalists who testified before Congress admitted that these services are available through various means and PP isn't NEEDED for this to continue to be the case.


Abortion is a right, sure, I agree.  You have not shown why I need to pay for it.     

The USSC said I have the right to get married in the US.  Using your logic, why do I have to pay to get married, you loonies need to pay for it so I don't have to.     

The USSC said I have the right to have gay sex.  Where's my fucking rent boy?   You people need to pay for my rent boys, god damned it. 


The USSC said many things are a right, so you bitches need to get to paying for my rights.  NOW, GOD DAMNED IT!!  NOW!!!   


BTW, I'm still waiting for my cute rent boys!!!!!   

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2017, 01:38:52 am »

You believe in "net fishing" justice or the "kill them all, god will know his own" crap.     Maybe I should start wishing people like you get the justice you demand others suffer. 


I don't believe in "net fishing justice". I'm telling you, factually, that there is a continuum of justice and even if you refuse to look at it the two choices I laid before you, they are exactly what every governing body, without exception, has had to choose from. If you are inclined, I suggest you read up on jurisprudence to see how different authors have presented their cases. Fred seems to have looked into it a bit.

Looking at your posts as a whole, you are angry that SJWs have made racism and rape cases require less proof so that more innocent people are harmed while the rest of the justice system requires more proof so that the guilty more often go free.


Tax money is used to fund PP, I pay taxes, therefore I pay to fund PP. 
 
Kim Davis has nothing to do with this.   She was an office holder who violated her oath of office.  NOT THE SAME THING.

Fine. Kim Davis was a poor example. The idea still that you don't personally fund all the operations of the government is still valid. Let me show you why:

  • I am a taxpayer. I pay for the police; therefore, I want you, the police, to arrest this man for rape and prosecute him to the full extent of the law because I pay for the judicial system, too.
  • I pay my tuition for this campus. I own this gate. I can say who can and can not pass through it. My brothers and sisters agree, so walk around.
  • My taxes paid for these roads. How dare you clog them when I need to get to work. Move out of my way immedietely.
  • My consumption taxes pay for this hospital so I should have a say about who gets treatment for what. I believe AIDS is a curse from God, so I demand my tax dollars be pulled from this hospital and this research.

These arguments sustain themselves on ego. I know you can do better than this.

Why should your tax dollars pay for abortion? They don't. The pool of monies collected by the government for all our benefits is used to fund PP and other organizations. So what exactly is your argument against PP? Is it only that it's a talking point for the opposing side? There are other places where they can perform such services? Fine. That's valid. As I said before, I have little interest in the topic, so I'm not doing the research to find out if this is true or not. What I have to weigh in my mind are the number of people who insist that they need these services, that some of these clinics are the only access some women have to birth control and abortion, true or not. That latter argument is more convincing to me, so I side with them -- for now.
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