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« on: November 12, 2017, 01:45:54 pm »

I was just scrolling through the posts and an Admin was complaining about a comment I made about the thumbs up/down button. Another member keeps emphasizing here that the reputation is all that matter. What do you think?

What I know is this:

An admin gave me ONE minus reputation for a post I made and I lost 20 plus points of reputation and am now in the red. That means one plus or minus is not equivalent to one good or bad post and so the system is inherently biased and therefore meaningless. 

Thumbs up and down can be abused but it's a better indicator over time, especially when who's given the most thumbs to a person. If four to six people have abused it you can easily see and with a little mental math get a better idea (assuming you care that much, this is a forum in a porn torrent site, after all).

The thumbs up or down on a given post are a better indicator. They tell the general mood.


Personally, I don't care about any of it. I'm posting this because my comment got into someone's psyche and they obsessed on it all weekend. I've set this post up to let all of you say what you think and let him vent all he wants.
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 05:49:27 pm »

A complete answer to this is:

The accumulated "thumbs" mean nothing, since just one person can (and have) hit people with over 20,000 thumbs down without even reading the messages.  However, a thumbs up or down on a SPECIFiC message  can signify whether that message is good or bad if that one message has multiple thumbs. 

The reputation is accumulated over time.  Reputation means a lot, because it shows the credibility of the poster.  It should be noted that the people with the worst red reputations are all notorious moonbat morons who consistently lie, omit facts, and otherwise post fake news.

Far more important than either of those statistics is to actually READ the messages.   When you see a long green line, stop and read that message.. because it is likely to impart some great wisdom. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 06:31:46 pm »

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Personally, I don't care about any of it. I'm posting this because my comment got into someone's psyche and they obsessed on it all weekend. I've set this post up to let all of you say what you think and let him vent all he wants.

You really do worship yourself, don't you.   
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 09:46:06 pm »

The accumulated "thumbs" mean nothing, since just one person can (and have) hit people with over 20,000 thumbs down without even reading the messages.  However, a thumbs up or down on a SPECIFiC message  can signify whether that message is good or bad if that one message has multiple thumbs. 

You're arguing from extremes again. That's not the norm. And if there are one or more people who are doing that then you can see the name and the number of thumbs up/down.


The reputation is accumulated over time.  Reputation means a lot, because it shows the credibility of the poster.  It should be noted that the people with the worst red reputations are all notorious moonbat morons who consistently lie, omit facts, and otherwise post fake news.

It doen't mean anything because one poster can give or take a lot of reputation points in one post and his or her whim. If the reputation were given as one point plus or minus, then it would have meaning. The second part of your statement is opinion about another person's opinon.



Far more important than either of those statistics is to actually READ the messages.   When you see a long green line, stop and read that message.. because it is likely to impart some great wisdom. 

The bolded is the correct answer. The second half is a nice bit of humor.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 10:16:16 pm »

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Personally, I don't care about any of it. I'm posting this because my comment got into someone's psyche and they obsessed on it all weekend. I've set this post up to let all of you say what you think and let him vent all he wants.

You really do worship yourself, don't you.   

This is an example of trying to start a fight. You didn't make any contribution to the topic though it is important to you. Instead, you made an unrelated comment. As an Admin you should do better. You are supposed to be the one setting the correct tone on how to behave and yet here you are giving an example of how not to behave.

This is a good example of why the red/green reputation bar has no meaning. You have a long green bar but you go off topic constantly. The number of thumbs up/down correctly reflect your contribution.

Still, I won't put a thumb down because I reserve that for bad content related to the topic. That's why I have given so few.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2017, 10:35:52 pm »

I'll travel from the personal to the more general.

My alluring, long red reputation line (and always looking for a little more) was established by two persons.

Meanwhile, I've been assigned 360 "thumbs and emojis" as of this writing, with the top six contributors totaling 222 of these marks, and the sixth position tallying at 21 marks.  Other members assigned the remaining 138 marks, which, while unlisted, must tally from the teens downward through single digits.

Thus, I've received thumbs and emojis from more than a dozen members.  I'll take that larger gene pool over the "reputation" kissing cousins any day.  And for whatever it's worth, my marks run about five-to-one positive.

I wish this thread would act as a long-term catch-all for remarks about either evaluation system.  Unfortunately, so many political topics are diverted and derailed by endless mention of reputation, in particular.  It's a sad and weak refuge when one's argument is being shredded for lack of citations, the poor quality of citations, biased premise, off-topic meanderings, and so on.

That sums it up for me.  Oh, except to say that none of it means much in the grand of scheme of things -- for self-actualized people, anyway.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2017, 11:43:46 pm »

I'll travel from the personal to the more general.

My alluring, long red reputation line (and always looking for a little more) was established by two persons.

Meanwhile, I've been assigned 360 "thumbs and emojis" as of this writing, with the top six contributors totaling 222 of these marks, and the sixth position tallying at 21 marks.  Other members assigned the remaining 138 marks, which, while unlisted, must tally from the teens downward through single digits.

Thus, I've received thumbs and emojis from more than more a dozen members.  I'll take that larger gene pool over the "reputation" kissing cousins any day.  And for whatever it's worth, my marks run about five-to-one positive.

I wish this thread would act as a long-term catch-all for remarks about either evaluation system.  Unfortunately, so many political topics are diverted and derailed by endless mention of reputation, in particular.  It's a sad and weak refuge when one's argument is being shredded for lack of citations, the poor quality of citations, biased premise, off-topic meanderings, and so on.

That sums it up for me.  Oh, except to say that none of it means much in the grand of scheme of things -- for self-actualized people, anyway.

Wrong again.
It is extremely easy to click on a thumb - too easy.. which is why you have a dozen people giving you thumbs. 

One flaw in the "thumbs" is that you can see how many thumbs up and thumbs down you have..  but while it does show you who gave you a thumb, it doesn't specify which members gave you a thumbs up and which gave you a thumbs down. 

I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that. 

But.. beyond all of that, just read the messages.  Anybody with a functional brain can figure out who is astute and who is just an ass.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 12:00:14 am »


I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that. 


I'm afraid I'm going to have to call "bullhockey" on that fabrication.

As we have not "spoken" privately to my memory, can you simply provide the threads where I "lied" in comments about giving you/not giving you "a thumbs down"?

But you can't provide them, can you?  So much for your special ways.  As an aside, you've probably received about five percent "up" from me in the world of thumbs -- a number that has clearly reached its plateau.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 12:22:48 am »


I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that. 


I'm afraid I'm going to have to call "bullhockey" on that fabrication.

As we have not "spoken" privately to my memory, can you simply provide the threads where I "lied" in comments about giving you/not giving you "a thumbs down"?

But you can't provide them, can you?  So much for your special ways.  As an aside, you've probably received about five percent "up" from me in the world of thumbs -- a number that has clearly reached its plateau.

As always, you are wrong. 
I can provide them.  Here is one from 2.5 months ago!:
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=52326.msg284701#msg284701

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 01:03:51 am »

As always, you are wrong. 
I can provide them.  Here is one from 2.5 months ago!:
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=52326.msg284701#msg284701


No.  Your point was that I "lied" about making a thumbs down -- that somewhere I denied it, and you had the ability to prove otherwise:

"I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that."

Your reference link only alleges the giving of a thumbs down.  I've given you a fair share, including in that thread.

Saying I lied about it is, ironically, the lie.  Pony up a citation where I have lied to you regarding thumbs, and stop shifting your claim.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 02:32:54 am »

One flaw in the "thumbs" is that you can see how many thumbs up and thumbs down you have..  but while it does show you who gave you a thumb, it doesn't specify which members gave you a thumbs up and which gave you a thumbs down. 

I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that.  

You don't need to know who voted you up or down for each post. You have anonymity online whereas I use my real photo and have my real webpage making it easy for people to find me, so I have to take responsibility for anything callous I say here. Unless you feel your real name should be used in this forum for you take full responsibility for everything you've said, the anonymity of the thumbs is a good thing.

The second sentence is irrelevant.

If someone gives you a thumbs down that you don't think you deserve, you can disregard it. However, if you get multiple thumbs down, rethink. Let me phrase this differently, if someone is getting hate on and offline, that person has to either think the world is crazy or they're not fitting in. How they chose to think about it is up to them. The same is true with any feedback one gets in a forum.


I will say this, the person who gave me minus reputation put as a comment for the reason SJW. That's it. The post it was attached to had nothing to do with anything SJW. That kind of caprice is why the reputation is bs.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 03:04:00 am »

As always, you are wrong. 
I can provide them.  Here is one from 2.5 months ago!:
https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=52326.msg284701#msg284701


No.  Your point was that I "lied" about making a thumbs down -- that somewhere I denied it, and you had the ability to prove otherwise:

"I would also point out that you have lied to me several times about giving me a thumbs down. I have my own special way of knowing that."

Your reference link only alleges the giving of a thumbs down.  I've given you a fair share, including in that thread.

Saying I lied about it is, ironically, the lie.  Pony up a citation where I have lied to you regarding thumbs, and stop shifting your claim.

You did lie about it.   You were not aware that I could tell who was downvoting me, and you kept denying it.  You were lying. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 03:35:25 am »


You did lie about it.   You were not aware that I could tell who was downvoting me, and you kept denying it.  You were lying

Where is my denial of giving you a thumbs down?  What specific words did I use to lie to you about thumbs?

As well, kept denying it?  You've got multiple instances on record to share with us?

Quite sure you're able to follow this line of simple logic.  But you made a claim out of thin air (because it sounded good), and when pressed, you've got nothing.

You're boring me, and collectively, we're boring all passers-by.  So I'm done with it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 09:05:56 am »

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This is an example of trying to start a fight. You didn't make any contribution to the topic though it is important to you. Instead, you made an unrelated comment. As an Admin you should do better. You are supposed to be the one setting the correct tone on how to behave and yet here you are giving an example of how not to behave.

This is a good example of why the red/green reputation bar has no meaning. You have a long green bar but you go off topic constantly. The number of thumbs up/down correctly reflect your contribution.

Still, I won't put a thumb down because I reserve that for bad content related to the topic. That's why I have given so few.   

My comment in that thread was not "off topic" because YOU mentioned thumbs down and I explained it, then you got all prissy. 

And fuck off with your constantly telling me what I must and must not do.   

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 09:46:34 am »

I'll give you guys a hint.   

Despite what someone says publicly, running to the helpdesk crying about something shows you care.     
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 12:39:01 pm »

I'll give you guys a hint.   

Despite what someone says publicly, running to the helpdesk crying about something shows you care.     

Are you talking about me?

I went to the Help Desk to ask how the points are given. Go read the message yourself. You gave me a minus rep. I never noticed the rep until Fred started pointing it out, so I started giving rep around. I had 20 points. Then you gave me a minus rep and I was in the negative. I wanted to know 1) how the points for the rep are given and 2) if you were using your status as admin to take off more points than you should. Those are fair questions, no?

So, let's find out what the rules are since you're on the inside.


1. How does the system decide who gets how many points of reputation?

2. Does the reputation depend on the level of the user (admin, hero, etc)?

3. What do those Stars mean next to our avatar and how do we get them?

4. And what do those titles mean, lurker, hero member, etc?

I still maintain that reputation is meaningless because one user can take away 20+ points on a whim whereas the thumbs up and down are fairer.
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 12:58:06 pm »

1.  The more rep you have, the bigger the hit/boost is to the other person. 

2.  NOPE.  Everyone is treated equally.    If an admin has 10k rep and a user also has 10k rep, the effect on others is the same. 

3.  The stars are your forum level, as are the colors.   Newbs have the lowest with admins having the highest.

4.   Titles (except staff) are based on post counts. 

Thumbs mean nothing either when a handful  of users can destroy over 15k in thumbs up surplus in a few months, simply by following their enemies around and down voting EVERYTHING they post, even filling porn requests and helping others use the site.   

Anyone can ruin a positive thumbs rating, but it's harder to do that to reputation.    The same goes the other way, anyone can artificially inflate their thumbs rating when they clump together, but it's a lot harder to do that with reputation. 



Let me just point out, if you didn't care, you wouldn't be asking.    I don't care about the tax rates in INDIA, so I don't look it up or ask.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 02:20:46 pm »

1.  The more rep you have, the bigger the hit/boost is to the other person. 

2.  NOPE.  Everyone is treated equally.    If an admin has 10k rep and a user also has 10k rep, the effect on others is the same. 

3.  The stars are your forum level, as are the colors.   Newbs have the lowest with admins having the highest.

4.   Titles (except staff) are based on post counts. 

Thumbs mean nothing either when a handful  of users can destroy over 15k in thumbs up surplus in a few months, simply by following their enemies around and down voting EVERYTHING they post, even filling porn requests and helping others use the site.   

Anyone can ruin a positive thumbs rating, but it's harder to do that to reputation.    The same goes the other way, anyone can artificially inflate their thumbs rating when they clump together, but it's a lot harder to do that with reputation. 



Let me just point out, if you didn't care, you wouldn't be asking.    I don't care about the tax rates in INDIA, so I don't look it up or ask.

No offense but you didn't answer with specifics. And my history says otherwise with reputation.

Well, I suppose I do care a little. I guess this means you deeply care about me considering all the attention I've gotten from you the past few days. I'm just not into S&M, so can we stop?
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 03:34:42 pm »

I think it's obvious.   

A group of people with very little reputation and very low thumbs up ratings (compared to what I had) were able to destroy my over 15k thumbs up rating.   All combined, their thumbs and reputation scored didn't add up to even a quarter of what I had. 

However, because their relatively low reputation scores, they weren't able to do the same thing to my reputation rating. 

With the thumbs ratings, you can have the absolutely worst rating and still destroy another person's rating.    The same can't be said for reputation. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:31 pm »

I think it's obvious.   

A group of people with very little reputation and very low thumbs up ratings (compared to what I had) were able to destroy my over 15k thumbs up rating.   All combined, their thumbs and reputation scored didn't add up to even a quarter of what I had. 

However, because their relatively low reputation scores, they weren't able to do the same thing to my reputation rating. 

With the thumbs ratings, you can have the absolutely worst rating and still destroy another person's rating.    The same can't be said for reputation. 

No, but since the reputation is given as some kind of percentage of an existing reputation (or perhaps posts, you didn't specify how rep is rated) you have the exact same problem in reverse: One or a few people can obliterate another person reputation. I saw this first hand twice.

This is important because certain people use the reputation as proof that they're posts are good and others are not. That's false. That's demonstrably false.

The only thing that matters is the post at hand.

If you, or someone, could actually answer questions one - four with details, I'd like to know.
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