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« on: February 25, 2018, 01:09:31 am »

Ok, I am of an age, an age for who the word Queer is totally offensive.

It was used as a derogatory term against gay men and women.

To walk down the street and have the word directly shouted at you, and the times when gay men and women were hassled, bullied, pushed about, pushed to the ground, kicked, and beaten up, bruised and bloodied whilst having the word Queer shouted at you.

I am of an age when we fought for the term "gay" to be accepted for homosexual men and women, and it has done so.

I cannot accept that the word queer is a badge of honour. It seems that there are some who use it as a form of radical political lifestyle. Usually of the Political left. ( I am quite prepared to accept that may not be totally correct).

When I read the term queer in an article in a newspaper, or on an on-line forum, I stop reading. It is offensive to me. when I hear it used to describe a gay lifestyle on the radio or on television, I switch off. I honestly become quite upset. I am sure that there are many, especially of my age and maybe younger who also hate the use of the word.

I would be very interested to read of others views.

By the way: The term LGBT is something else I reject. I am gay. My lesbian sisters I embrace. I feel no identity with Bi-sexuals or Transexuals. I fail to understand why I have to be grouped with them. Land G is perfectly OK by me. It's even got to the ridiculous state that I read somewhere LGBTQI+! God knows who dreamt up that one.

Your views please.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 08:11:46 am »

I despise the word.   

When HuffPo purged their male employees, they got rid of "gay" and changed it to "queer".     

I did a YouTube video (later removed for "hate speech" by YouTube) where I tried to explain why gay men, especially, hate the word "queer".   The editor of HuffPo called me a sexist and homophobe because I hated the ues of "queer". 

I'm fine with LGBTI, but that is all I will accept.   The rest of the stuff is just made up shit.   
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2018, 02:43:59 am »

Given that upper-class yuppies have taken the word "gay" for their own & make fun of anyone that isn't of their financial-standing.... Yeah, be pissed at me all that you like, but I'm a queer and NOT "gay". I don't own a condo or a yacht, and do not belong to any country-clubs. "Queer" is an insult that effeminate upper-class men use against any homosexual man not in their income-level. Because of THAT, you can call it an insult - but the very ones that you insult are PROUD not to be that shallow or greedy. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2018, 08:20:53 am »

Bloody hell  - you have got issues. Welcome to the debate and trying to understand my hurt.

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2018, 11:00:55 am »

Given that upper-class yuppies have taken the word "gay" for their own & make fun of anyone that isn't of their financial-standing.... Yeah, be pissed at me all that you like, but I'm a queer and NOT "gay". I don't own a condo or a yacht, and do not belong to any country-clubs. "Queer" is an insult that effeminate upper-class men use against any homosexual man not in their income-level. Because of THAT, you can call it an insult - but the very ones that you insult are PROUD not to be that shallow or greedy. Roll Eyes

WOW, talk about butthurt and bitter.

I'm none of the things you listed in that hate filled rant.   I'm very much "middle class".   I'm far from wealthy.   I only own a "gas guzzler" 4x4 because my life doesn't end when the snow comes and all levels of government refuse to maintain the roads. 

Let me guess, you're an Antifa Communist who believes freedom of speech is white supremacy, except when you guys use it.     
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 05:37:18 pm »

I am not a fan of the word Queer and don't appreciate it when someone uses it around me but I don't object unless they are referring to me then they are told I am a gay man not Queer.

Again when I was younger Queer was a derogatory term and it has stuck with me
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 12:33:26 am »

I struggled with the word queer until I met more genderqueer people. It is very bleeding heart of me, but I liked the idea of "taking queer back" and making the community more inclusive by using queer instead of strict labels. I'm also relatively young, so what do I know?
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 08:03:16 am »

There's nothing wrong with being young, per se.  

The problem comes when you (generic) demand that everyone accept your ideas without question while refusing to listen to those you demand things from.   This is like the use of the word "queer".  

Imagine if young black people demanded that all blacks like and use the word "nigger" because they want to "reclaim" it and anyone who disagreed with them was labeled a racist, Uncle Tom, coon and every other name they can think of.  

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2018, 04:19:27 am »

I struggled with the word queer until I met more genderqueer people. It is very bleeding heart of me, but I liked the idea of "taking queer back" and making the community more inclusive by using queer instead of strict labels. I'm also relatively young, so what do I know?
Thanks for your intervention. As the OP, please do remember the hurt and distress that older gays have when they hear the word used. As I said originally, it'll never be a word that can be associated with pride by us. Sometimes when I hear it being used it's like having the term rammed down my throat violently.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 09:14:17 pm »

First off, let me say that I fully understand the weight and negativity you are associating with the use of the term 'queer'. And despite what I or others may write to try to change that negative feeling, it's possible that feeling will never go away.

I've had that same negative feeling when hearing or being calling queer, but I've decided to force myself to actively change my attitude about it because I fully support the move to take back the word and change it from a negative to a positive. And the shift in society, while slow, is actually following as younger groups now feel more empowered to use the word queer.

It takes time, but taking ownership of a word that once was used to hurt you is very liberating.

Lastly, as for your objection to being lumped in with the LGBTQ crowd, if you know the sting of being called queer, then you know that there was a time not too far back when being gay meant isolation and persecution. Banding together was one of the only ways to have enough numbers to fight for representation and change.
 Just because things are much better now doesn't mean we should conveniently purge the other letters who are still fighting for better rights. We know the pain of rejection... Let's not make the mistake of rejecting others who have fought for equality alongside us.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2018, 09:21:53 pm »

My friends use the word all the time but I dont.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2018, 08:23:32 am »

As we see from Blackwing it seems that the change from gay to queer is hatred of non-leftists, by the leftist facists.  

Calling me a homophobe for not liking "queer" and flaging my YouTube video explaining why I hate the word as "hate speech" even though I'm gay, shows the mentality of the nazi left.   It's not about reclaiming a word.  It's about a sub-group shitting on the group that fought hard to get the rights the facist left now enjoy and abuse.

So, who's gonna tell Morgan Freeman that he now has to use "nigger(s)" when he speaks about black people?!  

I know that any reply will either ignore the comparison or do some crackheaded justification for "queer" but not "nigger".  
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2018, 10:19:21 am »

There is no rule forcing you to use the word queer. I have friends who use it and friends who don't.

While there may be radical groups on the extreme left who might force the issue, you should just ignore them. Extremists will always exist on both the left AND right.

It doesn't mean that all liberals or conservatives are extremists. Neither does it negate the good intention of wanting to reclaim a once derogatory term.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2018, 12:21:14 pm »

Maybe not for "queer", at the moment.  However, let's not forget that the left has gotten Canada and NYC to make the use of certain speech mandatory, with the full weight of the law behind them.  Also, many college campuses have some extremely leftist rules for speech.

Of course, there are "radical" groups on both sides.   The problem is that moderate liberals still refuse to call out their own because they are terrified of their own people.   The left has a habit of eating their own.  We saw it here when I finally convinced liberals to condemn the violence by Antifa.

I'm a classic liberal, but to modern liberals that makes me a nazi/fascist.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2018, 03:20:57 am »

I am not use "queer" because I am not third-gendered or a member of a sub-type of my own gender.  I'm just a dude who likes dudes.  Find your revolutionary praxis elsewhere, please.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2018, 03:37:17 pm »

Most of my early exposure to the word queer is in victorian literature. Soooo, no male-on-male connotations for me.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2018, 08:44:38 pm »

Most of my early exposure to the word queer is in victorian literature. Soooo, no male-on-male connotations for me.

Damned you're old.     

I'd give you a hug, but I'm afraid you'd break a hip.
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2018, 11:32:50 am »

Queer is one of those words, likewise with homosexual, I seem accusomted to, and comfortable using. Especially when I don't know any other proper words to use.

For example with homosexual, "I was looking up homosexual history on the internet."

I can use gay yes, but that's more friendly and social and not educational or formal.

"I was looking up gay history on the internet."

 To me I don't see them as bad words.

Same with the word queer.

"I am a queer man, looking to talk to other queer men."

As queer is more umbrella to use. As the man could be gay, transgender, bisexual etc. and it's just simpler that way.

I could say LGBT aside from that, but that's not only confusing, but also puzzling. As men are not lesbian.

"I am an LGBT man, looking to talk to other LGBT men."

However, if someone does not want me using those words in their company, (as I understand that to some people they are bad words) I will refrain from doing so.

That's my take.
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2018, 03:18:36 am »

Nice of you to say that in Private conversations you'd refrain from using the word. However when you read it in magazines and newspapers, hear it on the radio and on TV and in film, the offence taken by many is not assuaged. If fact because of the lack of self censorship, the offence is compounded.

As to LGBT, I'd separate L and G from the Band T. I have no problem with my lesbian sisters being associated with me as a gay man. It is basically two people of the same sex wanting to be recognised as such.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2018, 01:39:08 am »

eh... Queer means like "Weird/Strange/Odd/Abnormal"

in my mind, when i hear queer, it conjures images of the rarer snowflake types: queens/trans/flamboyance etc... like... "not gender-typical"

queers can be straight, gay, bi or anywhere inbetween. but i know that's not really how the word is used... but this is the image it conjures.

also, etymologically, queer is kinda negative. "Gay" on the other hand just meant happy/frolicking. You can tell this from norwegian, whose word for "fun" is... Gøy...

i mean, i will let my friends get away with referring to me as "that dirty faggot" tongue in cheek, cause i know theyre taking the piss; but i would never accept that shit off a randomer.

having said that: considering almost everyone (except those with A+ gaydar) are super surprised to learn that i'm a full on homo... i'd say i'm anything BUT queer.

still... i think the whole LGBTQIWTFBBQ+ is getting a bit "overinclusive", that is... a group stops being meaningful when you can no longer relate to it's members... i honestly cannot relate to the life, struggles and pleasures or even the basic mindset of trans people. i really can't. i sympathise, but will never understand or relate.

literally all the LGBT+++++ have in common is "nonstraightness" and a history of repression by a prudish societal culture. that is all. it's not really a good basis to bond on anymore... there's not even really anything to unify *against* as a common cause. (and no, "the patriarchy" is not the answer)
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