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« on: March 09, 2018, 08:33:41 pm »

Do you think Trump should be impeached?  I think he has done things deserving of being impeached -  the corruption, Russia collusion, emoluments clause violations, etc.  But I'm undecided on whether I think it's a good move strategically.

Pros: It would signal the importance of rule of law and that corruption has consequences.  Removing him from office would lower the risk of nuclear war.
Cons: Pence is almost as bad.  It wouldn't work anyway, since Republicans will block the 2/3rds vote in the Senate necessary for removal.

What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 06:51:40 am »

I don't like Trump, but i also don't like Hillary, Obama Bill Clinton and many others.   

Outside of the insanity of the liberal media, there's nothing that Trump has done that meets the impeachment threshhold. 


Bill Clinton did Don't Ask, Don't Tell which created withc hunts in the military like we've never seen before.    Defense of Marriage was also another vile thing of his

Obama race baited the country into the problems we now have.   He also lied to get elected.   He promised no bid contracts, but still did them even with preplanned and scheduled things.   He expanded spying on US citizens far beyond anything GWB had, but he promised to end it if elected.

The Obama administration lied to get search warrants and spying right, based on a DNC bought "dossier" which even the FBI and CIA always maintained was crap.   

We have FBI agents who conspired against Trump. 

Hillary violated federal law with the emails.   She then violated a federal subpeona and used bitbleach to destroy emails.   

Trump called a woman a "fat pig" while running for office.   

Maxine Waters has been involved in a lot of scandals and should be eating vag in prison.   


A lot of other people have done far worse than Trump in the last 30 years.


We also don't impeach Presidents on "maybe" or "he might do something I don't like".


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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 04:57:07 am »

If they investigate him and find wrongdoing, then impeach. But they have to show the public proof.
If he has been laundering Russian money for years, then impeach and then prosecute.
If he has colluded with Russians, Then he should be impeached and the tried for treason and high crimes against the state, then publicly executed in front of a firing squad.
And if he did nothing wrong, then just torture him like every other president we have had for the past 75 years.
Ever wonder why they look so much older when they leave office?
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 10:12:21 am »

I completely agree, sorta. 

As we've seen, the FBI has been extremely biased.    They were testing how to prevent Trump for winning and how to get rid of him if he did win.   

At the same time, we saw the FBI illegally editing official documents to help Hillary keep out of prison. 

We have the Obama administration lying to the FISA court, using the DNC paid for "dossier" that they claimed they knew was bullshit from the time they got it. 

None of these people are in prison for what they did.   

The people who are supposed to investigate are corrupt and politically motivated.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 11:04:25 am »

It is without doubt that the Russian government deliberately acted to influence the 2016 US Presidential election and primaries, firstly against Clinton favouring Sanders and secondly against Clinton favouring Trump.

It is without doubt that in the second case (Clinton vs. Trump), there influence materially effected the result. That is, they got Trump elected.

It is without doubt that the Trump campaign and Trump himself colluded with Russians to bring about that result.

However, Trump will never be impeached. Trump is fully aware that he is guilty of crimes against the state and high treason. He will make every effort to shut down the investigation. That is the reason behind his recent firing of the Secretary of State and attempted instalments to the CIA. However, when he has no more plays left to try to prevent the inevitable, he will simply resign.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2018, 10:21:33 am »

I would love to see all this evidence you are claiming exists.    No one else can find it.   

I'm not saying that Russia didn't do things to affect the election, but I am disputing Trump et al collusion.   

We do know that that the Obama administration acted illegally against the Trump campaign.   We have them certifying a DNC paid for dossier that was very much like the one on former F1 boss Max Mosely, except they switched nazis with Russians.   

They then used this dossier which they never took seriously and lied to the FISA court to secretly wiretap Trump et al.

We know the FBI illegally acted against Trump.  We also know that the FBI acted illegally in favor of Hillary. 

The FBI's own Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) found that Deputy Director Andy McCabe acted illegally and unprofessionally in regards to the 2016 election.   This is why he was fired 2 days before he took early retirement.   

McCabe's wife took money from Hillary friends and backers while the FBI was investigating Hillary's emails. 

McCabe also leaked a lot of thingsto the media.

Strzok illegally altered an FBI report on Hilary's emails.  He changed the wording so that Hillary wasn't criminally responsible, but an idiot.

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The FBI did the exact same kind of shit to Trump that MI5/MI6 did back in the 70s to Harold Wilson. 



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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2018, 06:05:57 am »

It is without doubt that the Russian government deliberately acted to influence the 2016 US Presidential election and primaries, firstly against Clinton favouring Sanders and secondly against Clinton favouring Trump.

It is without doubt that in the second case (Clinton vs. Trump), there influence materially effected the result. That is, they got Trump elected.

It is without doubt that the Trump campaign and Trump himself colluded with Russians to bring about that result.

However, Trump will never be impeached. Trump is fully aware that he is guilty of crimes against the state and high treason. He will make every effort to shut down the investigation. That is the reason behind his recent firing of the Secretary of State and attempted instalments to the CIA. However, when he has no more plays left to try to prevent the inevitable, he will simply resign.

The moment #45 has Mueller fired, the process to remove him will begin. If #45 has nothing to hide then he should let the investigation continue. It appears that the investigation is near completion anyway and for all we know, Mueller may not even recommend impeachment based on his findings. Having Mueller fired at this point will be a clear case of obstruction of justice and if Congress fails to impeach and remove him once he makes that move then the 2018 midterms need to be based solely on removing the "corrupt president." The 65 million people who voted against him plus the 71 million eligible people who did not vote DO NOT support this president and enough of them will need to turn out and put a Congress in that will remove him if he has Mueller fired. As we've seen from the off-off-year (Virginia & New Jersey) and special elections (Alabama & Pennsylvania) the numbers are there for Democrats to flip over 60 Republican seats in the House alone. The pressure of a wave election may sway Republicans into removing him this year but if not, he'll definitely be removed in 2019 by a different Congress.

I have personally come to the conclusion that this president needs to resign or be removed immediately because he is compromised by scandals and money ties that foreign countries can use to influence his decisions. This whole thing could've been settled a year ago had he not fired Comey but we're way beyond that now. He's choosing to do this the hard way and history tells us how this whole thing will go. This is an election year and while those on the right want to believe impeachment talk will turn off voters, you're going to be proven wrong when the president goes out of his way to stop the investigation and everyone is left asking the questions, "what is he hiding?" and "why wouldn't he just cooperate if he's innocent?"
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2018, 10:36:48 am »

Comey should have been fired long before he was.   

I would support impeaching Trump if they find anything real.   The problem with Mueller is his investigation lost credibility when it was filled with corrupt anti-Trump people.   

Now lets talk about the things we do know and all those people that should be in prison. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 10:16:44 pm »

Comey should have been fired long before he was.   

I would support impeaching Trump if they find anything real.   The problem with Mueller is his investigation lost credibility when it was filled with corrupt anti-Trump people.   

Now lets talk about the things we do know and all those people that should be in prison. 

Okay, what we do know for a fact is that making attempts to stop any investigation before it is complete makes the person being investigated look guilty. You can yell until you're blue in the face that the investigation is corrupt, but the majority of Americans believe it is a legitimate investigation. Now you're all alleging that judges appointed by GWB are corrupt and granted Obama's administration illegal warrants based on a dossier EVEN THOUGH DOCUMENTS SHOW THE WARRANT WAS GRANTED BASED ON OTHER METHODS.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/02/02/no-internet-nunes-memo-not-show-memo-not-cause-russia-probe/

I refuse to even entertain the idea that the FISA court warrant was obtained by using a dossier that wasn't even in play in July 2016 when the president's campaign officials began being investigated. The investigation began when George Papadopoulos ran his mouth and got caught up. That's what got Carter Page investigated and that's what led to the larger investigation. Go to the Wikipedia page for the dossier and you tell me the time frame of when it was written and when certain people even knew about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

This president will most likely be removed or forced to step down and if his cult followers want to burn down the country defending him, they will lose just like the South lost during the Civil War. It should not have to get to that but if it does, history shows us how it will end up.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2018, 08:40:17 am »

It is a corrupt investigation. 

Most kids believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so it must be true.

I'm not saying the FISA court judges are corrupt, I'm saying that they were lied to.   

Wikipedia isn't a valid source.   Not while they have feminists edit-athons. 

MAybe you should read your Red State link again, and read it all the way to the end.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2018, 03:12:58 am »

It doesn't say that the dossier is the ONLY reason or even the main reason for why the investigation began. The judges were not lied to, no one can prove they were lied to, they themselves aren't saying they were lied to; therefore, that baseless allegation is along the lines of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Like I said, if the president has nothing to hide then he should let the investigation conclude on its own. If he has the special prosecutor fired then that itself will be an impeachable offense and if the Republicans try to protect him, we'll see 1974 repeated all over again. Not only will they lose this midterm, they won't have majorities in both the House and Senate again until 2038 or later because it happened to them between 1974 and 1994 after the Watergate scandal. It simply isn't about collusion anymore, it's about obstruction and borderline treason at this point. The more he meddles with the investigation the worse it will be. This is 2018 and everyone is leaking. Do you honestly believe the "deep state" can fabricate anything against a sitting president without ANYONE noticing? If you believe that then you're in the cult as well and I feel sorry for you.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2018, 09:23:14 am »

How can you trust an investigation that has been so tainted?!   Seriously. 

I don't care about the election.   I care about the law and doing the right thing. 

Th investigation, since before Trump became President, has been corrupt.   

Even though I know OJ did it, I can't convict him due to the corruption of the investigation.   Same thing here.   

Typical left, you want me to focus on impeaching Trump, while ignoring that an FBI agent illegally altered a report so he could clear Hillary of criminal acts in the email investigation.  Let's expand that to the entire FBI.   Those text messags are quite damning, as is the fact that while Andy McCabe was supposed to be investigating Hillary's emails, his wife was taking tons of cash from Hillary backers.   

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2018, 12:03:39 am »

Is this really a question??  Of course he should be impeached, right after Pence is impeached. 
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2018, 08:09:50 am »

For what?   

Give us the facts, not "because I don't like him".
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