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« on: August 16, 2019, 08:24:36 am »

--- Before I get into this topic, I just have to say I am sad to see how low participation in this forum has become. I had a feeling this would happen due to how one-sided this section of the forum was becoming and how the constant trolling/derailing was making this an uncivil place to debate (example of my prediction: https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50735.0). That being said, I'm happy to see the Politics & Debate section is still here and it was a joy revisiting some of my old threads and topics I participated in. ---

Now to the topic, Stacey Abrams was right when she launched lawsuits against Brian Kemp and the state of Georgia. The way the election was handled left room for her criticisms and the fact that the courts had to get involved is proof that Georgia and other states like it have a long way to go to earn back the trust of voters. While Republicans in Georgia have been unable to prove in court that there has been serious voter fraud on the left, Democrats have successfully proven the voting system in Georgia is severely outdated and that there should be a paper trail for votes. There are still some issues with how Kemp and his administration are making the changes; however, combined with the changes other judges have made in Georgia, it should be a much smoother process to vote and the attempts to suppress the vote should weaken. Other states have already followed Georgia's lead and have made various changes to their systems to ensure fairness. Those of us who do have the right to vote should not have to go through extra hurdles based on where we live, how we vote, or who we are. The days of poll taxes and other forms of voter suppression are dead so the efforts to bring back those suppression tactics need to die as well. If you're a legal citizen of the United States and you have a photo ID and are registered, you should be able to cast a ballot without any issues.

Now if only the federal government could get its act together and pass some serious legislation to further secure our elections. Hopefully, we'll soon have a president who takes election interference seriously and will take us into the future with real voter reform. The ruling in Georgia makes me somewhat optimistic that we're finally heading in a progressive direction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-georgia-must-scrap-old-voting-machines-after-2019/2019/08/15/b1c07a5e-bf5f-11e9-a8b0-7ed8a0d5dc5d_story.html?noredirect=on
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2019, 09:57:43 am »

I already did a thread on this.

1995 Georgia was completely ruled by Dems at the state level.      They passed the law that removed voters after 11 years of non-voting and/or not returning the postcards (free postage) on the odd year.    Kemp was only following the law, passed by Dems.   He suspended the removals in 2015 due to a lawsuit.  The state won the lawsuit and the removals resumed in 2017. 

Whites also get removed from voting rolls under this law.

Black people are too stupid to have an ID and register to vote.  At least that's what Dems always say, which is why they are against voter ID laws.   That's the racism of low expectations.    Every black person I know has ID and registered to vote.   There's plenty of videos on YouTube where blacks are asked if they have ID and if they know how to register to vote.   


When you exclude Chicago and East St Louis, the majority of people in Illinois removed from voting rolls for being felons are white.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2019, 01:19:22 am »

I already did a thread on this.

1995 Georgia was completely ruled by Dems at the state level.      They passed the law that removed voters after 11 years of non-voting and/or not returning the postcards (free postage) on the odd year.    Kemp was only following the law, passed by Dems.   He suspended the removals in 2015 due to a lawsuit.  The state won the lawsuit and the removals resumed in 2017. 

Mmm hmm, and how many of these "Dems" later became Republicans during the late 1990s or the next decade like many, many other conservative Democrats before them (i.e. Strom Thurmond, Sonny Perdue, etc.)? It's funny how so many on the right conveniently leave out the fact that many Southern and conservative Democrats became Republicans between the late-1960s to the mid-2000s because conservatives moved from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.

Whites also get removed from voting rolls under this law.

Black people are too stupid to have an ID and register to vote.  At least that's what Dems always say, which is why they are against voter ID laws.   That's the racism of low expectations.    Every black person I know has ID and registered to vote.   There's plenty of videos on YouTube where blacks are asked if they have ID and if they know how to register to vote.   


When you exclude Chicago and East St Louis, the majority of people in Illinois removed from voting rolls for being felons are white.



I just love how you conveniently skipped over the main point of my post: If you're a legal citizen of the United States and you have a photo ID and are registered, you should be able to cast a ballot without any issues. I know for a fact that there were people who had to face other hurdles to vote if they were black and voting Democratic in Georgia in 2018. My grandpa, aunt, two uncles, cousins, and a few family friends were harassed by state police for trying to help get people to the polls in Augusta, GA. Everyone had ID and it is not illegal to provide rides to a local precinct to vote. They weren't driving in a bus, they drove separate vehicles and were surprised at the coordinated effort to pull each car over on one day during Georgia's early voting period. It makes me question, was then-Secretary of State Kemp's office monitoring Facebook, Twitter, other social media posts of black Georgia residents who were offering rides to vote early across the state? My family wasn't the only black Georgia voters who were harassed during the 2018 midterm election, there are other stories of it happening and I'm happy to provide another example for you.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/black-senior-citizens-ordered-off-georgia-bus-taking-them-vote/42lZxIGOF1uFo637TEc9jP/amp.html

Lastly, black people are not "too stupid" to have photo ID, it was just odd that so many states decided to add that requirement following the election of the first black president who won the most votes of any candidate ever when he won over 69.4 million votes in 2008. Stacey Abrams received the most votes for a Democratic candidate for governor in the state of Georgia, a chunk of which came from black voters who did have photo ID. Your argument that black people are "too stupid" is invalid and heavily flawed.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2019, 01:31:15 am »

Let's also hope North Carolina has serious election reform after Republicans committed massive election fraud in that state while not being able to come up with any credible evidence of "Democratic voter fraud" that the President rambles about at his klan rallies.

https://time.com/5535292/north-carolina-election-fraud/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-tearful-drama-of-north-carolinas-election-fraud-hearings
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/n-c-election-fraud-case-witness-says-operative-held-800-n946831
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/21/north-carolina-voter-fraud-charges-dog-house-race-mark-harris/2938521002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/us/politics/north-carolina-vote-fraud-absentee.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voter-fraud-means-new-election-in-north-carolina
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-more-arrested-in-connection-to-alleged-north-carolina-election-fraud

Or is this all MSM fake news? North Carolina's 9th District has to have a new election next month because of right-wing thugs who broke the law to steal an election. There is now more evidence that election fraud is much more likely from Republicans than so-called voter fraud from Democrats.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2019, 03:24:27 pm »

Ah, so every Dem in Georgia was a klansman in 1995 and that explains the law.

Plenty of klansmen stayed in the Dem party, like Sen Byrd (one of Hillary's racist heros).

I never said that "blacks are too stupid to have ID".     I am saying that Dems keep pushing that shitty narrative so people can vote without any ID, which fuels corruption/fraud.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2019, 02:32:40 am »

Ah, so every Dem in Georgia was a klansman in 1995 and that explains the law.

Plenty of klansmen stayed in the Dem party, like Sen Byrd (one of Hillary's racist heros).

That's not what I said. No, it wasn't every Democrat in Georgia but you should look up just how many Democrats became Republicans between the 1960s and 2000s. A large number, like I said including future Governor Sonny Perdue, were Democrats before they became Republicans. Perdue is actually one of the Democrats you're referencing because he voted for that law as a conservative Democratic state senator. While Democrats might have made up the majority back then, it was mainly because of conservative Democrats and not Democrats of the current Democratic Party like Stacey Abrams. I'm pretty sure Senator Byrd no longer believed in the KKK by the time he died and even if he didn't, I'm sure the backward-thinking voters in West Virginia liked that about him which is why he lasted so long in a state that now mostly favors the Republican Party.

I never said that "blacks are too stupid to have ID".     I am saying that Dems keep pushing that shitty narrative so people can vote without any ID, which fuels corruption/fraud.

Okay, sorry I misunderstood your reasoning for including that before. While I don't agree that the "narrative" is shitty, I do believe it's talked about too much. It is an important argument to make because prior to the election of Barack Obama, photo ID wasn't pushed as hard by Republicans across the country. It also doesn't help Republicans that in Pennsylvania prior to the 2012 election, a sitting state senator declared they were passing photo ID to ensure Mitt Romney will become the next president. You can't honestly believe Republicans didn't set out to disenfranchise millions from voting when they passed those laws and other restrictive measures between 2009 and 2013.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/republicans-should-really-stop-admitting-that-voter-id-helps-them-win/
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/pa-pol-voter-id-helps-gop-win-state-077811

We know for a fact that there was NO voter fraud from Democrats between 2008 and 2015 because Congress was taken over in 2011 by very hostile Republicans who combed through the Obama presidency and the Democratic Party and found nothing outside of wild conspiracy theories that were never proven to be true.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2019, 07:36:44 am »

Current Democrats hate whites.   I stopped being a Dem because of the hostility of the party.   

My very existence oppresses Obama, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Beyonce, P Diddy, Will Smith,  my Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, etc, etc, etc as the Dems love to tell us.    Michael Brown was a justified kill, but Dems keep pushing the lie of "hands up, don't shoot" despite Obama's DOJ proved it was a lie.



While Dems keep demonizing whites, they keep doing the racism of low expectations when talking about nonwhites, especially blacks.   If voter fraud by conservatives is so high, then Dems should demand that voters need to have ID and other things to prevent voter fraud. 

I did a thread after trump won about 2 cases of voter fraud in Texas; 1 Dem and 1 Repub.   The Dem case was due to no ID and the Repub was an illegal who was able to register to vote because Texas allows illegals to drive.

I do question why, as a black man, you don't find the Dem narrative to be shitty.   They claim you are too stupid and useless to have an ID.    As I said many times before, in these threads, I don't know a single black person who doesn't have ID.   Also, virtually all of them support voter ID.   When I lived in Chicago, I knew some blacks on welfare and they had ID, in order to get their welfare.   The window washer for the store I worked at was one of them. 


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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2019, 06:31:36 am »

Current Democrats hate whites.   I stopped being a Dem because of the hostility of the party.   

My very existence oppresses Obama, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Beyonce, P Diddy, Will Smith,  my Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, etc, etc, etc as the Dems love to tell us.    Michael Brown was a justified kill, but Dems keep pushing the lie of "hands up, don't shoot" despite Obama's DOJ proved it was a lie.



While Dems keep demonizing whites, they keep doing the racism of low expectations when talking about nonwhites, especially blacks.   If voter fraud by conservatives is so high, then Dems should demand that voters need to have ID and other things to prevent voter fraud. 

I did a thread after trump won about 2 cases of voter fraud in Texas; 1 Dem and 1 Repub.   The Dem case was due to no ID and the Repub was an illegal who was able to register to vote because Texas allows illegals to drive.

I do question why, as a black man, you don't find the Dem narrative to be shitty.   They claim you are too stupid and useless to have an ID.    As I said many times before, in these threads, I don't know a single black person who doesn't have ID.   Also, virtually all of them support voter ID.   When I lived in Chicago, I knew some blacks on welfare and they had ID, in order to get their welfare.   The window washer for the store I worked at was one of them. 




Democrats do not hate whites, but Republicans do hate blacks unless there is a black person who hates other black people. Look at all of the black Republicans of today and what do you see in common? Well, first of all, a lot of them are resigning because they can no longer defend Trump's racist rhetoric Cheers They all have the same thing in common, they have never ever in their lives advocated for the advancement of black people. Take your pick from Mia Love to Allen West to Alan Keyes to Tim Scott to John E. James; they all have that common thread and eventually, they stop making excuses for Trump's racist behavior. Will Hurd is retiring and Republicans themselves flipped and voted Democrat in Utah last year to get rid of Mia Love. Even Tim Scott of my state has said he will not run for reelection after 2022 and I suspect he won't even finish out his next term were he to get reelected. Once he's gone, that will leave zero black Republicans in the entire Congress.

North Carolina Republicans committed massive election fraud and there will be another election next month because of it. Election fraud is on the right, not the left and thankfully people are waking up to that fact.

As a black man in the Southern United States, I'm well aware that Republicans would rather I not vote at all. They'd love it if no one black voted here because we're over 95% Democrats here due to the history of what conservatives have done to us. It was conservatives who murdered black people for trying to vote in the South all those years ago, not liberals. And it's conservatives today who commit election fraud and use intimidation tactics to keep black people from voting today. Some Republicans have admitted that voter ID laws were passed in the hopes of limiting the number of people of color who vote. Once again, it didn't work so I do believe Democrats should stop making the argument so much but we agree the origins came from the 2008 presidential election where Barack Obama won the presidency with the most votes ever cast in an election.

It wasn't liberals or Democrats who tried to stop members of my family from voting early in Georgia last year. I believe Brian Kemp's office targeted people of color online to see what they were up to and used Georgia state officers to intimidate in hopes of lowering black turnout. Thankfully it didn't work and Stacey Abrams came close to beating Kemp. Had it not been for purging voter rolls and handing out an unprecedented amount of provisional ballots, I truly believe Kemp would have lost. With all of Trump's help and constantly visiting Georgia during 2018, Kemp didn't win a Republican state in a landslide. Thanks to his crooked actions and Stacey Abrams's lawsuits, Georgia's elections will be under a microscope from now on. If only we can get some significant oversight over South Carolina's election practices. Oh, what's that? That's right, that's already in progress here:

https://www.postandcourier.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-security-improvements-for-south-carolina-elections-are-welcome-news/article_5708580c-bf5a-11e9-a3b6-a76ca45e2d62.html
https://www.wltx.com/article/news/sc-election-commission-taking-all-reasonable-measures-to-secure-our-states-election-infrastructure/101-f9d7ba00-f6a0-44ef-838b-bec562335d37
https://www.wistv.com/2019/06/10/south-carolina-upgrades-new-paper-based-voting-system/

Republicans may find themselves in much closer elections in 2020.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2019, 08:08:30 am »

You clearly have not been paying attention to what your party has been saying and doing the last 10 or so years, if you think it's not anti-white. 

As for conservatives, it's not about blacks hating blacks, it's about taking personal responsibility.   Liberals want to blame everyone else for their failures.   Jesse Lee Peterson has a YouTube and podcast channel where he talks to liberals (mostly blacks).   Anyway, he had a highly privileged black chick on there, who had 2 Harvard Law grad parents and she grew up in a well off area.   She admitted she had all the advantages.    She defended Affirmative Action saying that if it wasn't there that she wouldn't have gotten into college.    After dragging it out of her, she eventually admitted that she couldn't be bothered to do her school work and that's why she needed AA. 

It's your party that refused to extend AA to poor white boys living in these shitholes we are talking about in the other thread but giving it to uber-wealthy blacks who couldn't be bothered.

Obama's kids get AA, but I don't, even though I had none of the advantages they got and still have. 

Dems won't let AA to be extended to people like me. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2019, 01:13:03 am »

You clearly have not been paying attention to what your party has been saying and doing the last 10 or so years, if you think it's not anti-white. 

Have Democrats been using the term "infested" against white people and/or majority-white areas? Have Democrats been going around calling every white person who disagrees with them, "low IQ?" You don't have any data proving your point; therefore, your argument is flawed.

As for conservatives, it's not about blacks hating blacks, it's about taking personal responsibility.   Liberals want to blame everyone else for their failures.   Jesse Lee Peterson has a YouTube and podcast channel where he talks to liberals (mostly blacks).   Anyway, he had a highly privileged black chick on there, who had 2 Harvard Law grad parents and she grew up in a well off area.   She admitted she had all the advantages.    She defended Affirmative Action saying that if it wasn't there that she wouldn't have gotten into college.    After dragging it out of her, she eventually admitted that she couldn't be bothered to do her school work and that's why she needed AA. 

It's your party that refused to extend AA to poor white boys living in these shitholes we are talking about in the other thread but giving it to uber-wealthy blacks who couldn't be bothered.

Obama's kids get AA, but I don't, even though I had none of the advantages they got and still have. 

Dems won't let AA to be extended to people like me. 

I've always believed AA should be critiqued on a person by person basis. While some definitely should not have benefitted from it, others undeniably needed the benefit. I am a prime example of someone who would not have gotten into at least 3 of the colleges I applied to without it and I can explain why. Out of the 20+ white students from my high school who got into the University of South Carolina in 2008, I was one of only 2 black students from my high school who applied and got in. The other black student and I graduated high school with honors and had damn near excellent SAT scores. I know for a fact out of the 20+ white students, 9 of them graduated with a high enough GPA to receive honors while the rest did not. I also know for a fact that me and the other black student scored higher on the SAT than a majority of our graduating class. I know of maybe 15 other black students from my graduating class who also had higher scores and a higher GPA who applied to the University of South Carolina and were rejected. They were rejected while 11+ white students with a lower GPA and most likely lower SAT scores were accepted.

I graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2012 and I can tell you only 5 of those white students who were accepted in 2008 graduated with me and the other black student. Had it not been for AA, neither I nor the other black student would have been accepted. There would probably be one or two black people at the entire university because this is South Carolina, a state that did not willingly accept the Brown v. Board decision of 1954.

I understand that there are white children who are refused opportunities as well, but maybe their parents should stop voting against their interests in hopes of keeping black people down. The Republican Party preaches all the time about personal responsibility but forgets to tell people that there is a system in place working against poor people. Complain about the Democratic Party all you want, but it's us who actually realize there are inequities in this country and have real solutions for those inequities. Had we never had a Republican president after GHW Bush, there would be no poverty in America, everyone would have the right to vote without any schemes to stop them, and the quality of life would be much higher for everyone.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2019, 09:25:46 am »

No, but they call everyone who disagrees with then "nazi", "literally worse than Hitler" and countless other things.     Blacks who left the plantation are treated worse than whites.  My adopted sister is called all manner of nasty names from the loving left.

Let's face it, The Squad is low IQ.  Maxine Waters doesn't even remember things that happened while she was chair of the banking committee.

You guys defend beating people up if you think they might disagree you.   Even your MSM outlets and politicians support it.

There are countless videos of people like Symone Sanders saying shit like "ah, poor, poor white people"  and countless other things when non-whites are beating up white people. 

Bernie said that whites don't know what it's like to be poor.

Democrats went from supporting the working class and below, to being identitarians.   They no longer care about all people but making sure certain people do well.   

4 years ago, the Dems supported border walls, now they want open borders and welfare for illegals.   

New York state cares more about sending illegals to college than helping fallen/disabled soldiers, fallen/disabled first responders and their families.  Illegals get 10x more money to go to college than all the money there is for everything for the fallen/disabled soldiers/first responders and their families.  The woman who ran the committee who pushed the bill said she wished there was more money but it was a priority to spend money on illegals going to college. 

Dems don't care about poor white kids, which is why they have always refused to extend AA to poor white kids who are far worse than rich black people who get it.   How many decades did the Dems have before and including GWB to help poor white boys?! 

Ok, so you're a Communist Democrat.

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BTW, these arguments span the western world.   

Sweden had AA to only benefit girls.   Once their highest court said they had to extend it to boys in areas they lagged behind, the country got rid of AA completely. 

In western Europe, it's the native white boys who are doing the worst because it's all about helping everyone but them, regardless of wealth or status.

Sweden had its state retirement age at 55 but had a surplus big enough to reduce it to 50.  Due to people fro 3rd world shitholes flocking there to get welfare, they had to raise the retirement age to 69.   

The UK is raising the retirement age from 67 to 75 for the same reasons. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2019, 06:00:48 am »

Yeah, the Squad are so low-IQ that they have you and the president constantly talking about them and stressing over their existence lol. It sounds like they're actually quite smart. He told them to go back to their country when 3 of them were born here. So, who is the low-IQ individual again?

Nothing you say will change the fact that there are proud white supremacists popping up within the Republican Party all over this country. They're being led by the president, who is also a white supremacist. The cat is out of the bag and we will continue to see the number of black Republicans decrease because of it.

"Communist Democrat?" Who are you, Reagan? I guess it's only a matter of time before you refer to Africans and other black people as "monkeys" the way Reagan did, huh? Like I said, the white supremacy on the right is finally being exposed and America will have a decision to make. I'm just hoping everyone who can legally vote will be able to exercise that right and kick every single Steve King and Donald Trump the hell out of Washington next year.

Oh, and by me being a Christian who believes in Heaven and Hell, I sleep peacefully knowing Reagan and all other disgusting dead white supremacists like him are roasting like chestnuts on an open fire for eternity.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2019, 07:33:11 am »

See, you are doing it.   You get butt hurt because I don't agree with you so you claim I'm a racist.    You proved my comments in the other thread 100% correct.    If a honkey dares disagree with a non-white, they are racist, no matter what the disagreement is about. 

Also, my sister would laugh in your face if you tried to tell her I'm a racist.   The same with her husband and my niece.   


Black supremacists, along with supremacists from all other racists exist.   

Fake hate crimes are on the rise.


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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2019, 05:42:17 am »

See, you are doing it.   You get butt hurt because I don't agree with you so you claim I'm a racist.    You proved my comments in the other thread 100% correct.    If a honkey dares disagree with a non-white, they are racist, no matter what the disagreement is about. 

Also, my sister would laugh in your face if you tried to tell her I'm a racist.   The same with her husband and my niece.   


Black supremacists, along with supremacists from all other racists exist.   

Fake hate crimes are on the rise.




You called me a Democratic Communist, which is a term Reagan used a lot and Reagan is a proven white supremacist bigot who called black people "monkeys." Why are you using the white supremacist language of Ronald Reagan all of a sudden?

FYI, you can be prejudiced or a racist with a black spouse, biracial grandchildren, biracial nieces and nephews, etc.; having people of color in your family means nothing if you see people of color who aren't a part of your family as inferior and/or undeserving of natural rights.

Yeah, black supremacists exist but they don't have the bloody murderous reputation as white supremacists in America. History tells us that. Show me pictures of black people lynching white people and I'll agree with you. Show me pictures of black people enslaving white people for more than two centuries and I'll agree with you. Show me evidence of black people putting the fear of death in white people to keep them from voting for decade after decade and I'll agree with you. Show me evidence that laws had to be passed to keep black supremacists from terrorizing white people to keep white people from demanding civil rights and I'll agree with you. The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act had to be passed because of white supremacist conservatives and their disgusting bloody acts of terrorism inflicted on black people. There are people still alive---like Rep. John Lewis---who know all too well about this topic. Try telling him and other civil rights leaders that black supremacy is the exact same threat as white supremacy in America. White supremacy, conservatism, and our own federal government killed Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2019, 08:05:58 am »

Umm, "communist" wasn't and isn't only said by Reagan.   I'm sure I could find a word or 50 you have said in common with a number of child rapists.   

I agree, a person can have family that's mixed race and be prejudice.   However, when my mixed-race sister and her black inlaws don't think I'm a racist, you lost the point, unless you are saying they are white supremacists too.

You love to wallow in the past that, don't you. 

Let's not forget the history of the word "slave".   It's from the Slavonic people (now Slavic) who were enslaved en masse by the Moors and the Ottomans.   These people were sold throughout Africa and the Middle East.   Also, slavery existed long before whites got to Africa and it's still going on.   

Do you mean how Obama/Holder dropped the charges of the New Black Panthers in Philly?   You know the ones, brandishing nightsticks and spewing hate toward whites outside the polling place. 

What about the multiple scandals involving the black woman Broward County elections official.    Ballots being transferred between that black pickup and the official truck.  Ballots found in the trunk of a rental car at the airport.  Taking ballots into a private room.   Threatening monitors with arrest. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2019, 06:05:28 am »

Umm, "communist" wasn't and isn't only said by Reagan.   I'm sure I could find a word or 50 you have said in common with a number of child rapists.   

I agree, a person can have family that's mixed race and be prejudice.   However, when my mixed-race sister and her black inlaws don't think I'm a racist, you lost the point, unless you are saying they are white supremacists too.

You love to wallow in the past that, don't you. 

Let's not forget the history of the word "slave".   It's from the Slavonic people (now Slavic) who were enslaved en masse by the Moors and the Ottomans.   These people were sold throughout Africa and the Middle East.   Also, slavery existed long before whites got to Africa and it's still going on.   

Do you mean how Obama/Holder dropped the charges of the New Black Panthers in Philly?   You know the ones, brandishing nightsticks and spewing hate toward whites outside the polling place. 

What about the multiple scandals involving the black woman Broward County elections official.    Ballots being transferred between that black pickup and the official truck.  Ballots found in the trunk of a rental car at the airport.  Taking ballots into a private room.   Threatening monitors with arrest. 

It is a known fact that Reagan and his supporters, as well as those who followed Joseph McCarthy, called anyone on the left calling for equality Communist. To this very day, white supremacists who want to stop a debate with someone on the left will throw out the term Communist. It's a very recognizable dog whistle and was used by Ronald Reagan many times, who as I said, is a proven white supremacist who considered black people to be "monkeys."

I talk about the past so much because it is my people's history we're talking about here. Slavery stripped away my ancestors' original heritage and permanently severed the connection between Africa and African descendants of slaves like myself. By demanding that I or people like me forget that, you're telling us to abandon our history and our heritage. Without taking a DNA assessment for genealogy, I cannot claim I'm a direct descendant of any African cultures. My people's history is well-documented in this country and it's a history of blood and triumph. Thankfully, white supremacists have failed to erase us and our experiences. We're still here and we will continue to be here, no matter what any white supremacist says or does.

I highly doubt you talk to black people in your family on a daily basis; and if so, I highly doubt you tell them they're in the position they're in because of AA or any of the other nonsense you spout on here. If you do and they still like you, they're probably the type of black people who constantly bring up stereotypes about other black people because deep down inside, they hate being black themselves. No proud black person who has respect for the ideals Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. died for would entertain anti-black attitudes from anyone. Hmm, didn't Reagan and white conservatives like Jesse Helms (another Southern Democrat who became a Republican) oppose recognizing Dr. King for his contributions to this country? He even questioned whether it would be revealed if Dr. King was a Communist in 35 years, once again throwing out the dog whistle even as he was about to sign the proclamation for the Dr. King holiday.

I'll let words I've already said be my final words for this diversion you've taken this thread to:

Yeah, black supremacists exist but they don't have the bloody murderous reputation as white supremacists in America. History tells us that. Show me pictures of black people lynching white people and I'll agree with you. Show me pictures of black people enslaving white people for more than two centuries and I'll agree with you. Show me evidence of black people putting the fear of death in white people to keep them from voting for decade after decade and I'll agree with you. Show me evidence that laws had to be passed to keep black supremacists from terrorizing white people to keep white people from demanding civil rights and I'll agree with you. The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act had to be passed because of white supremacist conservatives and their disgusting bloody acts of terrorism inflicted on black people. There are people still alive---like Rep. John Lewis---who know all too well about this topic. Try telling him and other civil rights leaders that black supremacy is the exact same threat as white supremacy in America. White supremacy, conservatism, and our own federal government killed Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 06:58:20 am »

> it is my people's history we're talking about here

I am not an american so maybe I do not know for sure.
But am I wrong about this:

Given this:
1. original slaves were enslaved by their own people;
2. they were sold by their own people;
3. they were moved from the failed continent to the future capitalist heaven where things like law and elections exist;
4. at other places slaves were not allowed to reproduce;

What you end up thinking:
1. white people bad;
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2019, 07:52:54 am »

Ah, so you admit that the left hates blacks since they tend to love communism.   I guess that means you are admitting that you are self-loathing by supporting those who hate you.


You talk about the past as if it's the reason for everything.   I wasn't in the past and I didn't own slaved, nor have I lynched any blacks.    You haven't been a slave, nor were you lynched.

If you want to talk about slavery, then lets have it.   You ignore all the other issues surrounding it to blame whites.  Anthony Johnson was a black man and former indentured servant.  He had indentured servants but refused to let them go once their term was up.  He fought it to the high court at the time and won.  He is why the US had chattel slavery.  A black man was the reason for it.   Africans took slaves and sold them to other tribes before whites got there.  Africans sold slaves to whites. 


I talk to my sister and her family at least once a week via skype.    Of course, I don't constantly bring up AA.  That's not what families talk about.    Also, they work for what they have.   My niece didn't become the state under 10s (both genders)  judo champ due to AA.   They agree with me that AA should only apply to those that are disadvantaged, including poor white males.    They don't whine about being victims at every turn.   They believe in personal responsibility. 

You created the diversion by calling me a racist because I called you a communist.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2019, 03:48:36 am »

--- Before I get into this topic, I just have to say I am sad to see how low participation in this forum has become. I had a feeling this would happen due to how one-sided this section of the forum was becoming and how the constant trolling/derailing was making this an uncivil place to debate (example of my prediction: https://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=50735.0). That being said, I'm happy to see the Politics & Debate section is still here and it was a joy revisiting some of my old threads and topics I participated in. ---

 True

Anyway, back to Georgia's voting system and the reform efforts, I hope the reforms are in place before the special election to fill Johnny Isakson's senate seat. Along with Georgia's other senate seat, it's going to be one of the most-watched races now as Democrats try to take back the Senate in the 2020 election. Given how close the 2018 race was, I'm sure there are a lot of angry people who are still highly upset with now-Governor Brian Kemp's suppression efforts. This is going to get very interesting, especially since Georgia came within 8 points of flipping in the 2016 election.

Good riddance, Senator Isakson. And game on, Senator Perdue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-johnny-isakson-says-he-will-resign-at-the-end-of-the-year-citing-health-problems/2019/08/28/4327d4a6-c9a1-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2019, 07:48:25 am »

You derailed to have a hissy fit over me calling you a communist, own it.
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