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« on: December 10, 2019, 06:12:24 pm »

Windows 7 "End Of Life" is coming on 14 Jan 2020. 

This means that Microsoft will no longer support it in anyway.   This also includes no more patches and security updates. 

Microsoft advises that you migrate to Windows 10. 


NOTE: This is about normal use, and may be different for a corporate contract directly with MS.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2019, 07:42:54 pm »

Free upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is (supposedly) available, according to some websites.  I haven't tried it, but will in the next month or so.  I have two machines that were delivered with Windows 7, and I'd stick with that, except some software will only work on Windows 10.  I have another laptop with Windows 10 and I don't see much advantage to it.

I think Windows XP was the most user-friendly OS that Microsoft had, but they had to "improve" it.  Remember Windows Vista?
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2019, 06:22:29 am »

The vast majority already upgraded to W10. I'm not sure what else is letting people remain on older versions if you're not someone to mess up with the OS. Compatibility issues? There're patch and tweaks for almost everything. And I say so while being a nostalgia fag about XP look and feel.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 06:19:45 pm »

Windows 10 is horrible.

If you are having no issues with Windows 7 no need to switch because support has stopped this doesn't even mean a great deal to most people the OS will still function just fine.

A lot of scare tactics floating around.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 08:01:56 pm »

Windows 10 is horrible.

If you are having no issues with Windows 7 no need to switch because support has stopped this doesn't even mean a great deal to most people the OS will still function just fine.

A lot of scare tactics floating around.
My computer at work has Windows 10--I don't find it horrible, but I don't see how it's an "improvement" over Windows 7 (or even XP, which has features not found in 7 or 10).

My home computer has Windows 7, and I'm tempted to leave it alone.  But I need to file US income tax, and the leading tax software brand (TurboTax) says its new version won't run under Windows 7.  Changing the operating system on a computer sounds a lot like doing a heart/lung/brain transplant, so I've held off. 

I also have a licensed copy of Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2013 on my home computer.  It works fine under Windows 7.  I have a sneaking suspicion that after installing Window 10, the license won't be recognised and I'll be "asked" to buy a new copy of Office.

Microsoft sucks....and not in the good way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2020, 02:11:21 pm »

Windows 10 is horrible.

If you are having no issues with Windows 7 no need to switch because support has stopped this doesn't even mean a great deal to most people the OS will still function just fine.

A lot of scare tactics floating around.
My computer at work has Windows 10--I don't find it horrible, but I don't see how it's an "improvement" over Windows 7 (or even XP, which has features not found in 7 or 10).

My home computer has Windows 7, and I'm tempted to leave it alone.  But I need to file US income tax, and the leading tax software brand (TurboTax) says its new version won't run under Windows 7.  Changing the operating system on a computer sounds a lot like doing a heart/lung/brain transplant, so I've held off. 

I also have a licensed copy of Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2013 on my home computer.  It works fine under Windows 7.  I have a sneaking suspicion that after installing Window 10, the license won't be recognised and I'll be "asked" to buy a new copy of Office.

Microsoft sucks....and not in the good way.


Your work may be using LTSC which is not as bad but still when you use W10 in home setting you really do notice how annoying it is.

XP was iffy when it came to 64bit so the step up for that to the likes of W7 is massive.

Just don't install the new version of the software if it is showing the new one only support W10 which is very strange that sounds more like they are trying to force the update which appears to be the case with a lot of companies i expect it's ms has been slipping some cheques around.

Installing OS is very easy just don't use the upgrade method do a clean install.

Office 2013 works on W10
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2020, 04:06:04 pm »

Thanks, every1.

I re-checked the TurboTax website.  It seems that their product will run on Win7, but they repeat the Microsoft party line, "Danger, Danger, If you keep using Win7, you'll be insecure."  It seems that their product will still run on Win7.  They go on to say that next year's product will not run on Win7.  What they probably mean is that one will need a 64 bit OS to run next year's product, but since my Win7 is the 64 bit version, I should be fine. 

My fondness for XP is for two reasons:  Some software that run under XP won't run on Win7, such as PrintKey2000 and ImageGrabber (which I've used a lot to make tiled thumbnails for torrent uploads).  There are applications with similar functionality that will run on Win7/10, but they're clunkier to use.

My other beef with Win7/10 is that in Windows Explorer, XP had the option of giving you folder size for each element in a directory; I don't see that in the newer versions, and it was a handy way to see what folders were getting too big.  Sure, I can right-click on a folder to look at its "Properties," but that's clumsy.  Also, When I open a directory (Explorer window) in Win7, the default starting view is the bottom of the list.  My default directory sort is "newest file at the top" so I always have to scroll up to see what I want.  XP would open at the top of the directory, which was much more convenient.

Finally, when you say a "clean install" rather than upgrade, do you mean wiping the disk and starting from scratch?  I have all my data backed up, but it would be massive pain to reinstall all of my applications...Office, AcrobatPro, QuickTimePro, uTorrent, Firefox, etc., etc.  If I need to do all that, I might as well get a new machine--which I hardly need, as it's a Dell "Workstation" that cost me a bundle and has all the capability I could want.

If you have any suggestions about how I can address these issues, I'd love to hear them.  Or maybe I'm just being a whiny little boy...I've been called that before.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2020, 05:36:11 pm »

Thanks, every1.

I re-checked the TurboTax website.  It seems that their product will run on Win7, but they repeat the Microsoft party line, "Danger, Danger, If you keep using Win7, you'll be insecure."  It seems that their product will still run on Win7.  They go on to say that next year's product will not run on Win7.  What they probably mean is that one will need a 64 bit OS to run next year's product, but since my Win7 is the 64 bit version, I should be fine. 

My fondness for XP is for two reasons:  Some software that run under XP won't run on Win7, such as PrintKey2000 and ImageGrabber (which I've used a lot to make tiled thumbnails for torrent uploads).  There are applications with similar functionality that will run on Win7/10, but they're clunkier to use.

My other beef with Win7/10 is that in Windows Explorer, XP had the option of giving you folder size for each element in a directory; I don't see that in the newer versions, and it was a handy way to see what folders were getting too big.  Sure, I can right-click on a folder to look at its "Properties," but that's clumsy.  Also, When I open a directory (Explorer window) in Win7, the default starting view is the bottom of the list.  My default directory sort is "newest file at the top" so I always have to scroll up to see what I want.  XP would open at the top of the directory, which was much more convenient.

Finally, when you say a "clean install" rather than upgrade, do you mean wiping the disk and starting from scratch?  I have all my data backed up, but it would be massive pain to reinstall all of my applications...Office, AcrobatPro, QuickTimePro, uTorrent, Firefox, etc., etc.  If I need to do all that, I might as well get a new machine--which I hardly need, as it's a Dell "Workstation" that cost me a bundle and has all the capability I could want.

If you have any suggestions about how I can address these issues, I'd love to hear them.  Or maybe I'm just being a whiny little boy...I've been called that before.


I took a look at that tax software you mentioned and the upgrade is not to do with x64 it is another one of those trying to force people on to Win 10 so I don't think you will be able to install the new version if you stay on Win 7 (I advise people to not rush into updates it's become standard now that people think you must be up to date which is not true if it works fine for you why update)

Printkey2000 works on Win 7 and the imagegrabber not sure which company one you are on about so many products with same name.

Those functions you mention XP has that Win7 doesn't is user error or to do with the way you have it configured you can do all that in Win 7.

Clean install means fresh install from the beginning which is always the best way.

It's easy to do the whole process is quicker then doing upgrade plus so many times when people upgrade they run into issues with software or left over junk.

Re installing software is so easy doesn't take long at all depending on your system the whole process from installing the OS and then the software hour its the backups that takes long time but you mentioned already doing that.

Does your Dell system have anything like a SSD?

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2020, 11:06:05 pm »

Thanks very much for the information!

Both my desktop workstation, and laptop ("Latitude" series, not a workstation but still high end), have SSD for the primary drive.  I have lots of backup drives, always synched (they're so cheap these days).  I'm not as concerned about losing data as I am the overall hassle, but you're giving me courage.  I might try it on the laptop first.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2020, 10:58:49 pm »

Thanks very much for the information!

Both my desktop workstation, and laptop ("Latitude" series, not a workstation but still high end), have SSD for the primary drive.  I have lots of backup drives, always synched (they're so cheap these days).  I'm not as concerned about losing data as I am the overall hassle, but you're giving me courage.  I might try it on the laptop first.


If you do give it a try make a backup image of your drive this is so it's easy to restore if you ever want to go back also recommend them to people in case they ever run into problems it's better way to revert back then using things like system restore.

I find it's better to keep Win 7 on laptop if that is what it was built for and then try out new stuff on main system which should be less hassle anyway laptops can be lot more annoying.

Don't buy Win10 if you do give it a try or activate it you have 30 days free use only if you like it then activate or purchase a key online for like $10 it's pro version you want.

I expect you may not stick with it but it's your choice i really dislike win 10 but i have it on one of my machines due to intel on latest chipset forced people to use it.

it's also worth looking into things like open-shell to give it back more of the old style



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