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« on: December 02, 2020, 08:30:51 am »

We already discussed that fat black chick from The New Yorker who lied about the disabled vet's tattoos.  She also liked to brag in her social media posts that she often lied to push the liberal agenda.  She is part of the fact-checkers, still, that Facebook and Twitter use despite this.

Anyway, Candace Owens sued Politi-Fact over one of their fact checks.  Candace said that Biden is not the President-Elect until the Electoral College meets and he is declared by them as such.   She said that the media does not declare who is or is not the President-Elect.   Politi-Fact declared this to be a false statement and refused to budge on that.  Well, that was until she filed a lawsuit against them, as well as Facebook and Twitter.   After being served with the lawsuit paperwork, Politi-Fact removed their ruling that her statement was false.  They also claimed it had nothing to do with the lawsuit. 

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 09:26:14 am »

And now for the real story:

PolitiFact labelled false a video by Candace Owens in which she claimed that President-Elect Joe Biden was not yet legally the President-Elect. Ms Owens submitted a claim to them and also got lawyers involved, requesting it was reviewed. PolitiFact duly reviewed the video and agreed with Ms Owens and removed the censorship.

Not really very much of a story... but the right-wing brigade, who seem to all feel attacked all the time, are very pleased because they think it shows the bias of fact checkers.

Reality: shows that everyone can make mistakes and that PolitiFact has good appeal systems.  Also shows that right-wing folks are a bit precious and like to get lawyers involved... when there’s no need to. Where do they get the money from? Or is it all just no-win, no fee?
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 10:25:05 am »

Second response as it deserves one entirely.

What on Earth does the fact that Talia Lavin is either fat or black have to do with this story? Are you suggesting that because she is fat, she made this mistake? Or because she is black? Or does it have to be both?

I’m really hopeful that those very simple questions - which toy should have asked yourself before posting - should show you that starting a posting like that is either a) ignorant or b) racist.

Which one are you?

And now for the real story of that one...

A New Yorker associate, who made a personal inaccurate assumption about a veteran’s tattoos on her personal Twitter page, has had the tweet taken down and has had the anew Yorker distance themselves from her.

So, yet again, it’s kind of a non story... unless people making personal comments on their Twitter can somehow be related to fact checking... but I can’t see any way to make that link. Perhaps you can explain it?

And lastly: edit your post to remove the silly beginnings. It’s making you look very foolish indeed - and that’s not what you should be achieving with your posts.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 11:17:43 am »

I didn't remember her name, so I described her.

She did not make a mistake.  She lied.  She even bragged about lying on her social media.

She is still part of the fact-checkers used by FB and Twitter.

BTW, I would have called her "that fat white chick" if she were white.  Nice try at making everything "racist" though.  Maybe that's why you think Priti Patel is a racist because everything is racist to you.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 11:21:04 am »

Let me guess, you got the liberal news version of events. 

Politi-Fact lied and didn't want to change it until Candace got her legal team on it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 11:44:29 am »

I didn't remember her name, so I described her.

She did not make a mistake.  She lied.  She even bragged about lying on her social media.

She is still part of the fact-checkers used by FB and Twitter.

BTW, I would have called her "that fat white chick" if she were white.  Nice try at making everything "racist" though.  Maybe that's why you think Priti Patel is a racist because everything is racist to you.

So I didn't 'try' anything - I said (if you would ever bother to read what I write) that you are either ignorant or a racist... and so you were instead ignorant.  I don't really think that improves anything.  It takes all of 2 seconds to look up someone's name.

No, saying "that fat white chick" would not have improved things and I would have called you out on that as well.

Please provide the evidence to support your claim that she lied rather than making a mistake.  As her tweets seem to suggest otherwise: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/new-yorker-apologizes-for-worker-claiming-ice-worker-had-nazi-tattoo-1.6196886

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2020, 11:50:48 am »

Let me guess, you got the liberal news version of events. 

Politi-Fact lied and didn't want to change it until Candace got her legal team on it.

OK - please provide the evidence to support your claim.

I will happily believe you if you provide the evidence of it.

Let me guess, you got your news from some right-wing conspiracy nut on YouTube who is usually wrong about everything?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2020, 04:18:30 pm »

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So I didn't 'try' anything - I said (if you would ever bother to read what I write) that you are either ignorant or a racist... and so you were instead ignorant.  I don't really think that improves anything.  It takes all of 2 seconds to look up someone's name.


Whelp, that ends our discussions.   
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2020, 10:02:05 pm »

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So I didn't 'try' anything - I said (if you would ever bother to read what I write) that you are either ignorant or a racist... and so you were instead ignorant.  I don't really think that improves anything.  It takes all of 2 seconds to look up someone's name.


Whelp, that ends our discussions.   

Hah! Typical of the not very capable right wing... soon as someone does to then what they do to others, they get all upset and run off crying 🤣

Well, clearly you’re not able to provide anything like what is required to prove your claims... and so we can safely ignore them as made up nonsense by biased people.

Fact checkers are fine to use again ✅
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 03:22:11 am »

I won't get into name-calling with you. 

I used descriptors for her.  Ok, I remembered her wrong, in that she's an arab jew, not black. 

She is still fat. 


She lied because she jumped at the chance to fulfill her narrative of labeling ICE agents as nazis.  She didn't fact-check it. 

You claim to be center-right, but you care more about me calling her fat than the harm she did to the disabled war vet.   You care more that I called her black, than the fact that she is still a fact checker for social media. 

Her "apology" was clearly corporate lawyer written.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2020, 08:00:03 am »

I won't get into name-calling with you. 

I used descriptors for her.  Ok, I remembered her wrong, in that she's an arab jew, not black. 

She is still fat. 


She lied because she jumped at the chance to fulfill her narrative of labeling ICE agents as nazis.  She didn't fact-check it. 

You claim to be center-right, but you care more about me calling her fat than the harm she did to the disabled war vet.   You care more that I called her black, than the fact that she is still a fact checker for social media. 

Her "apology" was clearly corporate lawyer written.

*You* won’t get into name calling with me?! Hilarious... seeing as that’s all you ever seem to do (I quote: “leftist”, “low information” etc... I could go on...). I’m pleased to see you’re glowing up and putting this behind you... now that someone had decided enough from you is enough and to treat you with the same medicine. Glad you don’t like it either!

Exactly - your poor memory is not great, and so your descriptions are faulty... and... still... irrelevant. It should have been quicker for you to type in a few quick lines in Google to confirm her name, then post that.

No one cares if she’s fat. Except you. Do you like fat women or something?!

If you had actually used descriptors for her, you would have said: “a fact-checker contractor for PolitiFact”. This is how you should have described her... do you see now why your claims of “I just described her!!!” make you look silly, at best?

She still didn’t lie... keep claiming this all you like, but the more you do, the more it is you who is lying... unless you can prove it, as I’ve asked you for... so, can you?

And now you’ve made another claim about me... and yet you have no idea, at all, what I care about. So let’s clear some things up for you:
No I don’t care more about you calling her fat and black than I care about the vet... but because you did that, I was forced to explain to you about how silly you’re making yourself look instead of addressing the wider topic. (Same goes for your lies and misinformation about her reasoning).
No I don’t care more about the fact she’s black than that she’s still a fact checker for social media... any? Because I don’t care about either of those things at all... and why? A person being black is irrelevant to me... and a person making 1 mistake does not mean their career and job is over (obviously!).

Does that help clear things up for you? Or would you like to make some more incorrect claims?
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2020, 07:20:56 am »

Blah, blah, blah

She's fat.  She's fat.  She's fat.   You care that she's fat, otherwise you wouldn't get so butt hurt over me saying it. 


She was a fact checker, which was in her Twitter bio at the time, when she falsely claimed that the guy had nazi tatoos.   It suited her narrative of ICE agents, military, etc, etc, etc of being nazis, so she ran with it.


Her social media is now locked, so we can no longer look at it. 


You care more about defending her than the damage she did and tried to do to the vet she lied about.   You are garbarge.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2020, 10:06:40 am »

Blah, blah, blah

She's fat.  She's fat.  She's fat.   You care that she's fat, otherwise you wouldn't get so butt hurt over me saying it.  


She was a fact checker, which was in her Twitter bio at the time, when she falsely claimed that the guy had nazi tatoos.   It suited her narrative of ICE agents, military, etc, etc, etc of being nazis, so she ran with it.


Her social media is now locked, so we can no longer look at it.  


You care more about defending her than the damage she did and tried to do to the vet she lied about.   You are garbarge.

The only garbage that is here is what keeps spewing from you.

If this is the best you can do, I’m afraid you’re only proving your side isn’t very capable or intelligent.

Would you like to try harder?

Here’s a recommendation so you don’t look quite so foolish: don’t attempt to claim knowledge of what I believe or care about... that will only ever make you look very, very silly. The only person who can know that is me... or you, if I explain it to you. So saying that I care about something immediately after I’ve said I don’t... only makes you look like a child who’s trying to win a playground argument. Is that you?

So again, you’re just repeating your same claims over and over. You’ve got nothing else, clearly, else you would have used it by now.

So I’m not going to believe you. You haven’t convinced me - not because, as I’m sure you’re going to try to claim, I only believe my leftist sources - but because your ability to convince is so poor, the only thing you can do is convince yourself.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2020, 11:50:35 am »

This has spiraled into nonsense. The only garbage is being spewed by the left, as usual.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2020, 06:21:56 pm »

Whiny leftists trying to act superior because they are "woke" are always fun. 
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2020, 04:11:41 am »

First of all, Twitter is censoring the President of the United States every time he posts something about the election, saying it's contested by the media. Well, yea, Joe Biden's claim to be President Elect is being contested, by the President of the United States. So why aren't Biden's posts being censored since he's being contested by the most high office in the world? It's self-evident bro. It's in your face. Your argument is about how Raph described the woman, and has nothing to do with the substance. You are living in denial and it's obvious.
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