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« on: July 30, 2017, 12:34:09 am »

It looks like John McCain pulled the ultimate in grand standing.   First he cast the needed vote to debate Obamacare... and then when it came time to start debating.. he got out of his chair, stood before all the senators, drew attention to himself.. and gave an emphatic thumbs down.. much to the delight of the moonbats who clapped, cheered, and celebrated McCain's defecation.  McCain was later seen laughing with the two other republican women who voted with him.
McCain is a slug.  He is 100% envious of Trump for becoming president when he FAILED...

But.. what will be the result of all of this? 
McCain will either undergo chemotherapy which will keep him alive but so sick he will be forced to leave the senate, or he will refuse chemotherapy which will prevent him from being sick, but result in the cancer growing and killing him within a year.   Good riddance!

About Healthcare.  There is no solution to healthcare.  The democrat's Obamacare FAILED.. and I promise you that any Republican plan would also FAIL, only not as fast.  Healthcare is like a "Kobiyashi Maru" on Star Trek - a battle that has no winning outcome.  What will result is no new healthcare plan from the Republicans, and Obamacare will die, and no new healthcare plan from the Democraps.  Healthcare will revert to what it was in 2008. 
Once Obamacare is gone, the only way you will ever see at attempt at socialized medicine again is with both a Democrat president and Democrat Senate and Democrat House of Representatives.  Good luck with that!   And.. if those 3 things did happen.. there would be "Obamacare2" which would also be doomed to failure just like Obamacare is now. 
The problem is.. socialized medicine doesn't work unless you have a dictatorship in which healtcare costs are controlled by the government.. doctors are paid low wages, people can't sue, there are no fancy medical procedures, and doctors can't leave to go work someplace else. 

Medicare is loaded with fraud, the VA system is a disaster, the education system is a disaster, and the military is a money pit.  The more government stays the hell out of people's lives.. the better. 
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 05:38:38 am »

I do have to wonder if McCain's recent diagnosis played into his decision. 
We are a long long way off from single payer.  The biggest reason that a President has never pushed for it is because of the impact on the economy.  Millions of people work in administrative healthcare jobs.  It's a huge waste of money but you can't just kill all those jobs overnight.  My last job only existed because of the ACA.  If they did a full repeal my job would have ceased to exist.

I have a plan to fix healthcare and I really think it would work.  The first thing you do  is prohibit all employers from offering health insurance.  You keep the mandate that everyone has insurance but you require that insurers market and sell their plans to YOU, the consumer.  The insurer will have to price their plans accordingly and compete for YOUR business, not some CEO's.  Everyone will have to buy from exchanges just like the ACA plans of today.

Then you create a public option.  Make the insurers compete for customers and compete with a government option which will offer low prices that are government subsidized.  This isn't unheard of.  Medicare operates this way and Medicaid in my state does this as well.  Medicare is the overwhelmingly popular choice for Medicare beneficiaries.  85% of them choose the government run traditional Medicare instead of a private plan.  There are pros and cons to this but it's about choice.  The government could use their public plan as leverage to keep the private insurers prices affordable.  Over time they could slowly put the insurers out of business or they could just choose to co-exist alongside the private plans.  The important thing is that Americans have a choice to choose either the public plan or a private plan.  This is already how Medicare has worked for the last 15 years or so.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 12:08:26 pm »

I do have to wonder if McCain's recent diagnosis played into his decision. 
We are a long long way off from single payer.  The biggest reason that a President has never pushed for it is because of the impact on the economy.  Millions of people work in administrative healthcare jobs.  It's a huge waste of money but you can't just kill all those jobs overnight.  My last job only existed because of the ACA.  If they did a full repeal my job would have ceased to exist.

I have a plan to fix healthcare and I really think it would work.  The first thing you do  is prohibit all employers from offering health insurance.  You keep the mandate that everyone has insurance but you require that insurers market and sell their plans to YOU, the consumer.  The insurer will have to price their plans accordingly and compete for YOUR business, not some CEO's.  Everyone will have to buy from exchanges just like the ACA plans of today.

Then you create a public option.  Make the insurers compete for customers and compete with a government option which will offer low prices that are government subsidized.  This isn't unheard of.  Medicare operates this way and Medicaid in my state does this as well.  Medicare is the overwhelmingly popular choice for Medicare beneficiaries.  85% of them choose the government run traditional Medicare instead of a private plan.  There are pros and cons to this but it's about choice.  The government could use their public plan as leverage to keep the private insurers prices affordable.  Over time they could slowly put the insurers out of business or they could just choose to co-exist alongside the private plans.  The important thing is that Americans have a choice to choose either the public plan or a private plan.  This is already how Medicare has worked for the last 15 years or so.

McCain has been a lifelong asshole.   
Your healthcare plan (and everyone else's) ignores the fact that healthcare costs are 10 times higher than what they should be.   They need to shift that decimal point.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 04:42:14 pm »

One of the reasons that costs are so high is because employers are involved in the equation.  Patients don't know how much their healthcare costs.  I have no idea how much it costs my employer.  If the insurers have to market and sell to patients directly the prices will come down.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 06:26:00 pm »

McCain has been acting brain damaged for years, now he at least has an excuse.

The only real reasons McCain would have to vote no are that he hated Trump's agenda or he didn't even know what the bill was.

Hating Trump is of course the case, but I doubt that's the reason here. Since McCain had also been trying to have the bill go into conference along with a couple other senators. In other words, they wanted to debate what would be in the bill some more which of course was promised to them as the bill was going to have to go back to the House anyway. Thing is this happened over the course of a couple days and given McCain's mental state due to his tumor, he may not have remembered that he was guaranteed the bill would be going to conference as he asked.

If he couldn't remember that some questions had already been asked during a congressional hearing within an hour of his asking those questions again, then how likely is it he'd remember the deal he made about the skinny repeal bill?
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 09:59:00 pm »

McCain has been acting brain damaged for years, now he at least has an excuse.

The only real reasons McCain would have to vote no are that he hated Trump's agenda or he didn't even know what the bill was.

Hating Trump is of course the case, but I doubt that's the reason here. Since McCain had also been trying to have the bill go into conference along with a couple other senators. In other words, they wanted to debate what would be in the bill some more which of course was promised to them as the bill was going to have to go back to the House anyway. Thing is this happened over the course of a couple days and given McCain's mental state due to his tumor, he may not have remembered that he was guaranteed the bill would be going to conference as he asked.

If he couldn't remember that some questions had already been asked during a congressional hearing within an hour of his asking those questions again, then how likely is it he'd remember the deal he made about the skinny repeal bill?

McCain needs to give up his seat NOW..  McCain is senile, and/or stupid, and/or hot headed, and/or brain damaged, and/or ignorant.   Take your pick.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 10:04:37 pm »

One of the reasons that costs are so high is because employers are involved in the equation.  Patients don't know how much their healthcare costs.  I have no idea how much it costs my employer.  If the insurers have to market and sell to patients directly the prices will come down.

From a couple of people I've heard from.. their employer pays 4 to 5 times as much as the employee does for their healthcare... but that is misleading, because the money that the employer is paying directly to the insurance plan is money that WOULD have gone to the employee.  The cost of an employee is far more than the salary of the employee. 

To do what you suggested.. would require Obamacare to be completely REPEALED first!
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 10:19:55 pm »

One of the reasons that costs are so high is because employers are involved in the equation.  Patients don't know how much their healthcare costs.  I have no idea how much it costs my employer.  If the insurers have to market and sell to patients directly the prices will come down.

From a couple of people I've heard from.. their employer pays 4 to 5 times as much as the employee does for their healthcare... but that is misleading, because the money that the employer is paying directly to the insurance plan is money that WOULD have gone to the employee.  The cost of an employee is far more than the salary of the employee. 

To do what you suggested.. would require Obamacare to be completely REPEALED first!

What I hate about is that it allows the employer to essentially give an employee a pay cut (or a raise) without the employee even knowing it.  A lot of companies change their healthcare plans every year.  This means your total compensation is likely being changed as well.  It's still a gamble for the employer.  A lot of sick employees could be a disaster for the company when their premiums are jacked the following year.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 01:16:59 am »

One of the reasons that costs are so high is because employers are involved in the equation.  Patients don't know how much their healthcare costs.  I have no idea how much it costs my employer.  If the insurers have to market and sell to patients directly the prices will come down.

From a couple of people I've heard from.. their employer pays 4 to 5 times as much as the employee does for their healthcare... but that is misleading, because the money that the employer is paying directly to the insurance plan is money that WOULD have gone to the employee.  The cost of an employee is far more than the salary of the employee. 

To do what you suggested.. would require Obamacare to be completely REPEALED first!

What I hate about is that it allows the employer to essentially give an employee a pay cut (or a raise) without the employee even knowing it.  A lot of companies change their healthcare plans every year.  This means your total compensation is likely being changed as well.  It's still a gamble for the employer.  A lot of sick employees could be a disaster for the company when their premiums are jacked the following year.

I once worked at a place that had a dental plan.  I expected it to "maybe" pay 100%.. or maybe 80%... and was confident it would pay at least 50%.    The root canal and crown was $800.. of which that plan covered $5  which is about 0.6%   

That is another thing about healthcare.. the deductibles.  This one lady on the radio said that the DEDUCTIBLE of her Obamacare was $8000.  She can't afford $8000.. so even with her Obamacare, she can't use it because she can't pay the deductible. 

Healthcare insurance is completely hopeless.  In fact, it is so hopeless that eventually health insurance will be so expensive that almost nobody will be able to afford it - and the services covered will be minimal.    This is what happened with automobile insurance.   Maybe we will wind up with "Logan's Run" in which people are euthanized once they turn the ripe old age of 35.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 02:27:18 am »

The complaints about the deductible are a myth.  Most services don't count towards the deductible.  You can still get most preventive care without it counting towards your deductible. The insurer pays for that.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 04:18:56 pm »

One of the reasons that costs are so high is because employers are involved in the equation.  Patients don't know how much their healthcare costs.  I have no idea how much it costs my employer.  If the insurers have to market and sell to patients directly the prices will come down.

From a couple of people I've heard from.. their employer pays 4 to 5 times as much as the employee does for their healthcare... but that is misleading, because the money that the employer is paying directly to the insurance plan is money that WOULD have gone to the employee.  The cost of an employee is far more than the salary of the employee. 

To do what you suggested.. would require Obamacare to be completely REPEALED first!

What I hate about is that it allows the employer to essentially give an employee a pay cut (or a raise) without the employee even knowing it.  A lot of companies change their healthcare plans every year.  This means your total compensation is likely being changed as well.  It's still a gamble for the employer.  A lot of sick employees could be a disaster for the company when their premiums are jacked the following year.

I once worked at a place that had a dental plan.  I expected it to "maybe" pay 100%.. or maybe 80%... and was confident it would pay at least 50%.    The root canal and crown was $800.. of which that plan covered $5  which is about 0.6%   

That is another thing about healthcare.. the deductibles.  This one lady on the radio said that the DEDUCTIBLE of her Obamacare was $8000.  She can't afford $8000.. so even with her Obamacare, she can't use it because she can't pay the deductible. 

Healthcare insurance is completely hopeless.  In fact, it is so hopeless that eventually health insurance will be so expensive that almost nobody will be able to afford it - and the services covered will be minimal.    This is what happened with automobile insurance.   Maybe we will wind up with "Logan's Run" in which people are euthanized once they turn the ripe old age of 35.

You have a point here!


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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 03:20:59 am »

The more I think about this the more I believe that this is all staged by the GOP.  We all know that ObamaCare is the Republican plan. It was written by conservatives, it includes a ton of market based conservative ideas and it was implemented by a very conservative Governor. They backed themselves into a corner 7 years ago when they started to rallied against their own plan.

So how on earth can keep their plan in place while still pretending to be against it?

They asked a dying Senator to put on this show and give a thumbs up and later a thumbs down.  Now Republican voters have a scapegoat to blame and the Republicans get what they want while getting their voters to let them off the hook.  McCain won't get another term anyway.  It's the perfect plan.
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